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Jason Levine
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Network slowdowns when playing music...

I'm adding "90% Network slowdown when playing music" to the long list of reasons why I'm not going to Vista for a long, long time (if ever). In fact, right now I'm more likely to move to Ubuntu than to go to Vista.

Most likely, though, I'll remain with XP for the foreseeable future. I think many other people are sticking with XP also. And that's a big problem for Microsoft. I've long said that their biggest competition is themselves. If people find the old versions good enough for their needs, then people won't upgrade and Microsoft can be in the interesting situation of being 1) the market leader and 2) not making any money from the market.
satellite68

join:2007-04-11
Louisville, KY

Re: Network slowdowns when playing music...

that's all well and good until people need support for their old versions. Don't get me wrong-I'm not switching to Vista anytime soon either-but the "planned obsolescence" of older versions through the end of support and patches keeps me at least on the cusp of switching.

dadkins
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Hercules, CA
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Re: Network slowdowns when playing music...

said by satellite68:

that's all well and good until people need support for their old versions. Don't get me wrong-I'm not switching to Vista anytime soon either-but the "planned obsolescence" of older versions through the end of support and patches keeps me at least on the cusp of switching.
XP(I believe) geys Mainstream Support until 2014.
I'm ok with that.
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ElJay

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ZDNet has an updated take on the story, and the admission from Microsoft Fellow Mark Russinovich that it's indeed a bug:

»blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=711

prestonlewis
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Vista

I have a new laptop that came with Vista. I wasn't impressed. XP Professional is the best version of Windows I've seen yet. Vista seems to me to be more bloatware than anything else, perhaps an attempt to look more like a Macintosh. If Windows would make XP a more secure OS, I'd be happy with it but then again, Windows wants to sell you something new to make more money.

Iridium
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Re: Vista

said by prestonlewis:

I have a new laptop that came with Vista. I wasn't impressed. XP Professional is the best version of Windows I've seen yet. Vista seems to me to be more bloatware than anything else, perhaps an attempt to look more like a Macintosh. If Windows would make XP a more secure OS, I'd be happy with it but then again, Windows wants to sell you something new to make more money.
Seconding this. My laptop runs way slower in Vista than XP, Vista is a lot of bloatware, M$ Needed to write a whole new OS kernel instead of grafting and piecing together the various flavors of Windows over the years. Fundamentally, Vista isn't too much different from Windows 1.0 if you think about it. Long story short, Rolling back to XP Pro and dual booting Ubuntu. Getting a Macbook Pro in 6 months.
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ricep5
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Jacksonville, FL

Host based processing doesn't help

It also doesn't help that many network and audio processors are host based. Granted, CPU's are much more capable (as Russinovich stated) than ever, but many of them are not discrete in processing each stack. In their effort to get to a low cost point, they turn over much of their processing over to a thread in the CPU which requires more management by the OS to schedule.

It would be interesting to see if this bug in Vista occurs when discrete hardware is used in both the network and audio layer.

Millions of gigabit links are supported by Realtek's host based network RTL processors. Combine that with the millions of host based AC97 controllers, and you force the OS the manage more and more of the scheduling.

Again, this has been driven by companies trying to reach a price point and pushing the processing engines into where the costs can be absorbed more readily...the CPU and the OS.

Users pay less, but suffer more when it isn't done right.

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