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1 edit | Great after i strike out ill sign on again under my brothers name and after stricking out again ill just sign on under my mothers name and so on and on and on and on. | |
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join:2007-12-07
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| Re: Great Respect, but really From what I seen NBC the only one actuly doing something like this....I seen so many cases of NBC going to ISP's to get them to terminate their costumer's. Serfice to say I haven't seen any thats gone though they just slap you on the wrist.... | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
1 edit | Time for ISPs to demand SSNs to run credit checks/banned internet users list checks. You will run out of identities. We can also cross reference any dependents on your IRS, and anyone else at the address through USPS secret database of the names that goto each address and Census and DMV records. If you try suite/apt fudging, won't work because we will cross reference your Occupancy permit. Also the NSA can provide a list of all the emails, forum logins, and user names and screen names you use online, if you were just a guest at that house, you can write an appeal and show up infront of an Administrative Law Judge to get yourself off the blocklist. Don't you love databases?  | |
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join:2002-04-10
1 edit | Re: Great You can't ban an address. What happens if the property sells? See, unless they are going to cross reference the service against owner of the property, then this idea of switching names would work. However, if the ISPS wish to incur the cost of acquiring public records and checking things out, then that would be different. Still, my guess a simple name change would suffice most times. Odds are, the ISP wouldn't care as they are not going to be keen on turning down money from their customers. After all, this wasn't their idea to begin with. | |
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Ebolla
join:2005-09-28
Dracut, MA
| Re: Great yes they can mark an address as "non-servicable" and not allow services to be restarted unless someone goes to service center with a lease agreement proving you are not former resident. Or paperwork proving you are owner and not former tenant. People pull the same thing as suggested by OP when they are disconnected for non-pay. | |
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| said by TKJunkMail  :said by INT0CABLE :after i strike out ill sign on again under my brothers name and after stricking out again ill just sign on under my mothers name and so on and on and on and on. Sorry, but they would BAN that address. It would do no good to switch to a relative at the same address. Yep ban revenue. I'm sure once a lot of people get banned and it actually starts to affect the numbers; ISP's will re-evaluate if they are doing the "right" thing or not. lol | |
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ib50MbSoon
Formerly TwoKDialup
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Coloma, MI
| said by INT0CABLE :after i strike out ill sign on again under my brothers name and after stricking out again ill just sign on under my mothers name and so on and on and on and on. *IF* some snot-nosed punk did that to me, right after the funeral I'd take the death certificate down to the cable office and have my service reconnected. Problem solved. What do you think of that? 
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Matt
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| Re: Good Idea And exactly how would you PROVE someone dowloaded via a torrent? By definition, the torrent comes from MANY sites. What if I've only downloaded 99%s? Am I still in violation? I mean, I can't UNRAR only 99% of the file. Again, they can't ever PROVE that ONE PERSON uploaded or downloaded a torrent UNLESS they are the only source. An incomplete file is NOT PROOF of copyright violation.
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Maineville, OH | Re: Good Idea Agree with you 100%. Not to mention the fact that downloading a program that was available OTA for FREE should not be infringement.
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| said by karlmarx :And exactly how would you PROVE someone dowloaded via a torrent? By definition, the torrent comes from MANY sites. What if I've only downloaded 99%s? Am I still in violation? I mean, I can't UNRAR only 99% of the file. Again, they can't ever PROVE that ONE PERSON uploaded or downloaded a torrent UNLESS they are the only source. An incomplete file is NOT PROOF of copyright violation. Sorry, but if I walk into a car dealership and only steal a tire off a car, I'm still guilty of theft, even though I can't drive the car away. | |
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Dracut, MA | Re: Good Idea yes due to the fact you took physical property, nothing is stolen when you download, only a copy is created. | |
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| Re: Good Idea said by Ebolla :yes due to the fact you took physical property, nothing is stolen when you download, only a copy is created. A copy for which you haven't paid. So yes, it is stealing. Look up Title 17. | |
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| Re: Good Idea said by Matt :A copy for which you haven't paid. So yes, it is stealing. Look up Title 17. Kindly point where in Title 17 does it say it is stealing. | |
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| Re: Good Idea said by jhboricua :said by Matt :A copy for which you haven't paid. So yes, it is stealing. Look up Title 17. Kindly point where in Title 17 does it say it is stealing. Ironically enough, it's under the section titled Criminal Offenses: »www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap5.html#506
Sub-sections B and C cover it pretty well. A good lawyer could argue for A as well. | |
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join:2005-09-28
Dracut, MA
| Re: Good Idea (1) In general. — Any person who willfully infringes a copyright shall be punished as provided under section 2319 of title 18, if the infringement was committed —
(A) for purposes of commercial advantage or private financial gain;
(B) by the reproduction or distribution, including by electronic means, during any 180-day period, of 1 or more copies or phonorecords of 1 or more copyrighted works, which have a total retail value of more than $1,000; or
(C) by the distribution of a work being prepared for commercial distribution, by making it available on a computer network accessible to members of the public, if such person knew or should have known that the work was intended for commercial distribution.
(a) doesnt qualify as the bittorrent gains no money for person seeding.
(b)Same as (a)
(c)This you may be correct on, but the term "Commercial Distribution" implies money is involved as well. | |
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| said by Matt :said by jhboricua :said by Matt :A copy for which you haven't paid. So yes, it is stealing. Look up Title 17. Kindly point where in Title 17 does it say it is stealing. Ironically enough, it's under the section titled Criminal Offenses: » www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap5.html#506Sub-sections B and C cover it pretty well. A good lawyer could argue for A as well. Ironically enough the word steal, stolen, stealing is not present there, so it begs to question how you reached such a ridiculous conclusion. As a matter of fact, the word steal, stealing, stolen are NOT present in the ENTIRE Title 17 copyright document. A good lawyer would know the difference between infringement and stealing, which is more than I could say about you.
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| said by Matt :A copy for which you haven't paid. So yes, it is stealing. Look up Title 17. Wait...how are you stealing a copy without paying...when you don't even have a copy of said item?
Aborting the download isn't akin to stealing whatsover, unless there's some category of law that addresses "intent to commit copyright infringement". Last I checked, infringement was rather a binary offense - either you've downloaded a copy of said material, or you haven't. | |
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1 edit | Re: Good Idea said by Thaler :said by Matt :A copy for which you haven't paid. So yes, it is stealing. Look up Title 17. Wait...how are you stealing a copy without paying...when you don't even have a copy of said item? Aborting the download isn't akin to stealing whatsover, unless there's some category of law that addresses "intent to commit copyright infringement". Last I checked, infringement was rather a binary offense - either you've downloaded a copy of said material, or you haven't. If you only download a portion and not the entire work, you're right, there isn't a law covering that yet. But we're specifically talking bittorrent which means you are uploading as well, which facilitates (assists) others in copyright infringement.
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| Re: Good Idea Now you're just talking double talk. You CAN'T quote a different law to charge someone with a 'supposed crime' from the first law. They are TWO DIFFERENT EVENTS. The first event is 'downloading the file'. the second event is 'sharing a file'. And again, I state, UNTIL YOU GET or GIVE 100% of the file TO ME, or get it FROM ME, you have NO PROOF that I actually did the transfer.
What if I created a fake rar file called 'brittney spears.mp3' and put it on a torrent site. UNTIL you get 100% of it from me, you have NO IDEA what it is. Period.
Again, if you want to use the law as a hammer to hit people, you have to follow the LETTER of the law, not the spirit. And mediasentry and the like are NOT following the letter of the law, they are making accusations based on incomplete information.
If I was serving up the file from a web server, THEN, and ONLY THEN, IF IT WAS REAL, could I be charged. Getting 'part' of a file from me, not the ENTIRE file from me, is NOT PROOF that a violation occurred.
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1 edit | said by Matt : Sorry, but if I walk into a car dealership and only steal a tire off a car, I'm still guilty of theft, even though I can't drive the car away. What if you've only made a copy of the tire? | |
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1 edit | Re: Good Idea Holy crap, could you imagine the effect of Star Trek's replicator today? The entire population in the Star Trek universe are breaking the law!
RIAA lawyer - "Mr. Worf, I'm representing the RIAA and you have been found guilty of downloading several operas. We demand you cease and desist or face the consequences".
Worf - "Of course. By the way, have you seen a Bat'leth in action?" | |
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| said by Matt :I think this is a great idea. Although I'm scared to know whom the burden of proof will fall on and what will exactly constitute proof.
That's a problem, but it's not the proper role of the ISP. Internet is so important a part of modern life, no one should be banned from it based on a private party's say-so. Even if there is a court judgment proving copyright infringement, the damages or penalty should be enough. Depriving the person of an important means of communication is too severe. | |
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| this is why the entertainment industry would never want the net to be classified as a full utility. i mean you cant ban someone from having electric power as long as the bill is paid even if they are using it to run a whore house.
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Mullica Hill, NJ | matter replication would basicly crash the current world economy. then again it would also close up lots of economic gaps as it wouldnt cost anything to feed the poor.
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join:2005-11-14
Saint-Jean-Sur-Richelieu, QC
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1 edit | Transfer of profits Cut me from broadband, I'll start buying copyrighted material, sad but true. That's just a transfer of my money from a corporation to another. I can afford 100$ a month for entertainment no more. And unfortunately since I have to stick with the overpriced internet service that is Videotron, that's what it cost me just for that. | |
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
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Avalon, NJ
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join:2007-04-29 | Honestly... American ISP's are too greedy to ever do anything like that. Sure , they may not want people pirating, but their love of money will keep this from ever happening. | |
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join:2005-09-28
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| Re: Honestly... They might do it if they can pass other info into this database. I could see them using this like a credit report. If you are a known dead beat or maybe you can't keep your PC clean from viruses you might get charged more or denied service all together. | |
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New Albany, IN | :) Sounds like another opportunity for a tea party. | |
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tmc8080
join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY
| Sounding board much? Why do all many of these asinine ideas become a sounding board in Europe? First France, then Canada, now the UK is looking at one more way to try and screw the consumer (Ok, maybe not the countries specifically, but the lobbying wings of the International RIAA/MPAA pulling the strings)!
I guess there is a slight imbalance between the concepts of democracy and free markets. Like it or not, piracy has to compete with paid media... if the content is good, consumers are still willing to pay for it. Drying up the competition will not make consumers want to buy the product more. It's not that good, not that cheap, and not that compelling. | |
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Tenafly, NJ | Re: Encrypt I dont know what NBC is worried about, all of their programs suck (the ones that air on NBC anyway) so who would want to pirate them? | |
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| Re: Encrypt said by Jmartz :I dont know what NBC is worried about, all of their programs suck (the ones that air on NBC anyway) so who would want to pirate them? The Office is very popular on the torrents.
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Mullica Hill, NJ | NBC charges for their On-Demand content as well, so if you want to catch up on NBC shows its going to cost you.
CBS its free.
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Jamaica, NY | Yep, millions of $ of filters goes down the drain. There is still the traditional wolf join a private tracker/torrent and getting IPs...... | |
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join:2003-04-02
Chandler, AZ | wait till sharia kicks in Britain wait till sharia kicks in Britain. Burqa clad tent women will chop off the genitals of suspected pirates. Now that should be a good deterrent. | |
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| Re: wait till sharia kicks in Britain said by nutcr0cker :wait till sharia kicks in Britain. Burqa clad tent women will chop off the genitals of suspected pirates. Now that should be a good deterrent. I believe what you are referring to was a comment by the Archbishop of Canterbury, who doesnt really dictate law.
So I don't I will need to "wait" until it kicks in, as it won't.
Regarding the topic, I really can't stand the present government, firstly they try to police the internet, now they're trying to do this? Hope it gets voted out in the Commons. | |
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join:2005-07-21
United Kingd | Re: wait till sharia kicks in Britain AFAIK, this can violate the data protection act. how would they determine traffic to be illegal without going thru all your internet activity. goodluck winning the brits to agree to such an idea lol | |
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Jamaica, NY | Re: Wonder how much 'till The internet for them is just as free as it is for you. | |
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join:2002-09-24
Charlotte, NC
| Watch out WiFi If all copyright infringers lost their internet connections, we'll see alot more people connecting off others unsecured networks.
Not to mention, it would be really bad if you lost your connection because someone was hijacking your wireless network. | |
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Elf Wizard
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| Re: Watch out WiFi yep time for everyone to learn about WPA2 and MAC auth. sure even those steps can be hacked but the P2P user looking to freeload some bandwidth isnt going to go through that.
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Jamaica, NY | Re: Watch out WiFi I will build my quantum CPU to crack your WPA key in seconds. | |
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Jamaica, NY | Re: How far does it have to go before people will stop playing? Tell that to the yokels that watch all the crap on TV. | |
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