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UK Residents Still Waiting on BT's Fiber to the Press Release
More Rural, Suburban Deployment Issues Mirror U.S. Problems
by weesteev Friday 10-Jun-2011 tags: dsl · Fiber · competition · coverage · business · alternatives · telco · world · consumers
The UK’s incumbent Telco, BT, has been rolling out its faster VDSL based product for a few years now and appears to be showing signs of frugal further deployment. In BT’s initial rollout phase, some 100+ Telephone exchanges were announced for upgrade, much to the delight of residents within those footprint areas.

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The rollout begins at pace, BT’s engineering division, (Openreach) working with local civils contractors starting the construction of the new VDSL cabinets, prompting the first backlash against the network upgrades from customers.

Local Authorities who approved the placement of the cabinets started to get anxious with the deployment in parts of London where residents started bombarding them with complaints over the size and placement of these boxes (like AT&T U-Verse in the States), with BT moving a small proportion of these before they were activated. Even to this day, the deployment causes issues.

But with engineering difficulties aside, over 400 exchanges have been named for upgrades, making the project look promising to people in the need of faster broadband that live out with ADSL2 exchanges and Cable franchises. What transpires with the rollout is that not every distribution cabinet within an exchange area would be upgraded with more rural connections being left with legacy equipment and no confirmation of ever being upgraded in the future.

Rural customers who had been depending on these upgrades started to become disillusioned, and small scale community fiber programs started to spring up, with costs quoted by BT for deployment being ridiculed by community associations -- many of whom are carrying out the same upgrade work for sometimes 50% less than quoted by the Telco.

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Some barriers discussed openly so far have included:
• Number of active customers on a cab (too few = not enough customers to make it viable, too many = can't fit tie pairs into VDSL cabinet)
• Average length of D-side to premises from the cabinet (too many long lines = lower speed and does not meet the minimum speed guarantees BT want for Infinity
• Cost of Fibre and power connections
Planning Issues including Conservation/World Heritage areas

Further issues transpire with the sale of the product once the infrastructure is in place, with BT placing a 15Mbps "slowest speed" limit on the service, and not taking orders if they calculate a headline speed of less than 15Mbps. Examples of 14Mbps orders being rejected by BT --but then a reseller arranging a connection which turns out to be 28Mbps -- started to become a common theme in UK broadband forums. This prompted questions about the accuracy of data that BT uses to calculate these speeds, and whether BT just wanted to protect the brand and speed results that its "Infinity" product could achieve.

As with any non FTTH rollout, sceptics question when a true fiber product will appear. BT currently trialling this deployment on a small scale (but have already run into trouble). It seems that the best the UK can hope for is VDSL as the cost matrix for upgrading to FTTH from VDSL in is just not realistic.

Finally, BT’s accountability has been called into question on numerous occasion as to how serious it is taking the rollout to areas that cant achieve speeds over 2Mbps. People are also wondering if BT is simply retrofitting areas of high density and wealth to make sure they see a quick return on their initial outlay. Common sense you would think, for a company with shareholders, but not for a company that was initially created with a mandate to provide service to all in the UK without discrimination.

All in all, £2.5 billion has been spent with an estimate that 2/3 of the UK will have access to "super-fast" broadband by 2015. Those deployments will top 40Mbps (80Mbps with bonded lines in future potentially) while the primary cable provider in the UK already has 50Mbps and 100Mbps tiers and is only heading higher. Further questions about the "half baked" nature of this VDSL product and its discriminative deployment will appear, especially when works are finished and 1/3 of the population realize they have been forgotten about.

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Privatization by Gov't removed 'serve all' monopoly mandate

whether they are just retrofitting areas of high density and wealth to make sure they see a quick return on their initial outlay. Common sense you would think, for a company with shareholders, but not for a company that was initially created with a mandate to provide service to all in the UK without discrimination.

When the gov't took away their monopoly, they also took away the mandate to serve everyone. That is only fair and makes sense.
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Re: Privatization by Gov't removed 'serve all' monopoly mandate

I don't really follow you on that line of logic. Could you explain further? Seriously.
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Re: Privatization by Gov't removed 'serve all' monopoly mandate

said by The Limit:

I don't really follow you on that line of logic. Could you explain further? Seriously.

At one time BT was just like AT&T in the US - they had a monopoly on all telephone services. The UK gov't, just like with the US 1996 breakup decision, decided to end BT's monopoly and opened up the telecomm sector to competitors. At the same time they ended the regulation that required BT to serve every residence in the UK.

The writer of this op ed entry at dslreports implied that BT still has the responsibility to serve every residence because they used to be required to do that in the past. So, he is upset that BT gets to pick and choose who they serve even though that is what the gov't decided to do when they deregulated telecomm in the UK.
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Re: Privatization by Gov't removed 'serve all' monopoly mandate

That makes better sense, thanks.
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BT has no responsibility to install to anyone, in 2006 they were forced to break away their engineering division (Openreach) who must provide phone access at reasonable cost to any supplier who wishes to install a phone line. The rules are a bit different before deregulation.

Remember, deregulation of the Telecoms industry in the UK is what brought cable access. BT is still regarded as a monopoly as they are the only company with near total access to the entire country.

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That cabinet color is hideous

If the color is intended to blend the cabinet in with the trees and bushes, its the wrong shade of green. That's prison green. The one next to the fence is a better shade. I think brown might be a better color for cabinet camoflauge though.
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Re: That cabinet color is hideous

beggers can't be choosey.
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Theres no aesthetic value to cabinet colour in the UK, all cabinets tend to be that colour unless there are specific requirements (world heritage site etc). Newer cable cabinets tend to be grey though, better heat management than darker colours.
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thinking vs doing

stop thinking about deploying and start deploying!
nobody's getting any younger, anywhere around the world!

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Re: thinking vs doing

said by tmc8080:

nobody's getting any younger, anywhere around the world!

Except for Benjamin Button's kids!
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said by tmc8080:

stop thinking about deploying and start deploying!
nobody's getting any younger, anywhere around the world!

However, BT does reveal that it's so far spent £0.6bn of its £2.5bn fibre rollout budget until 2015. At present its FTTC service is passing 80,000 new premises every week and BT expects to reach 5 Million Homes sometime within the next few weeks, rising to 10 Million by 2012 as originally planned (40% of the country).

Don't believe everything you read. The above was official announcement to the stock market, so if untrue fraud was committed. I'll take that over this one.

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Disclosure?

It should be noted, in the name of full disclosure, that the author of this article is an employee of said UK cable company.

The cable company is nowhere near finishing its roll out of 100Mbps and there are still a considerable number of homes on 50Mbps down 1.75Mbps up as they require plant upgrades. Areas such as my own are unable to reliably support 16QAM 3.2MHz upstream let alone the DOCSIS 2.0 upstreams that are commonplace, the access network here is 30MHz/500MHz, Virgin rushed out the DOCSIS 3 upgrade with poor upload speeds and did the bare minimum to the plant.

Upgrade is supposed to happen here in August however it will require building of cabinets and Virgin are still yet to request the required permission from the local authority to put the cabinets in place - they may find they have the exact same issues as BT are with their cabinets.

BT are looking at reaching 80Mbps unbonded through use of different VDSL profiles (17a and potentially higher) and are targetting 100Mbps through use of vectoring.

Upstream wise as noted Virgin Media are still yet to complete the deployment of their 10:1 upstream ratio, BT have had 40/10 on offer since the start of their commercial deployment with 40/15 being released shortly and a mooted upgrade to 20Mbps accompanying the 80Mbps service.

When it comes to it they will be able to bond 2 lines and achieve higher than double throughput through use of 'Phantom' mode - 2 physical pairs and a 3rd 'virtual' pair.

»www.ispreview.co.uk/story/2011/0···ice.html

As always, also, it should be remembered that VDSL, like all ADSL, is an uncontended line up to the MSAN / DSLAM, cable is contended all the way through. Virgin are far from immune to contention issues and there are especially a number of complaints about latency, jitter and download speeds on the 100Mbps and other tiers.

»community.virginmedia.com/t5/Up-···p/100_mb

This product from BT is wholesale, it can be purchased and resold on any terms the operator sees fit. Virgin do indeed offer high speeds however, depending on the tier, they can be throttled based on volume, and are all protocol shaped:

»shop.virginmedia.com/help/traffi···icy.html

In addition if on a crowded node VM reserve the right to give 3 strikes to reduce usage, 3rd strike you're out. They don't offer any means to measure usage and will not supply figures for usage, there is also no set trigger level that causes a letter to be sent.

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3.2.1. Virgin Media does not place a limit on monthly network usage. However, in isolated cases (currently less than 0.1% of customers) where excessive network usage at busy times (9am to 9pm) is having a detrimental effect on other users, we may need to take appropriate action in accordance with the terms of this AUP to notify users of the impact they are having and require them to move some of their activity into the less busy period...
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»community.virginmedia.com/t5/Up-···p/247501

...while advertising unlimited downloads on all packages.

»shop.virginmedia.com/broadband/u···0mb.html
»shop.virginmedia.com/broadband/u···0mb.html
»shop.virginmedia.com/broadband/u···0mb.html
»shop.virginmedia.com/broadband/u···0mb.html

I'm no fan of BT, my own CO should have gone live last year, and is still not live now, it has a tentative date of September which looks extremely unlikely, but I figured given the source of the story, the inaccuracy in places, and the bigging up of the cable company a little balance was in order. Stones and glass houses and all that.

Someone working for a cable company like Virgin Media whose website is covered with references to 'fibre optic broadband' talking about BT's fibre to the press release when, despite their faults, they are passing 80,000 homes a week and will be passing 85% of the amount of homes the cable company do by next year, having only started the commercial rollout in 2010 is pretty rich.

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Re: Disclosure?

While I'm thinking about it BT have an obligation to provide phone service, they most certainly do not have an obligation to provide a broadband service. BT Group PLC was set up with private money to make private shareholders more money, the access network they purchased was purchased with conditions attached, one of which was a USO, another one is open access networks.

All this FTTC BT are rolling out is open access - anyone who wants to purchase access to it can. In addition, as I'm sure you're aware, BT are making access to their ducts and passive infrastructure available.

If VM are so concerned about getting higher speeds to the masses and consumer choice they could consider wholesaling their network or selling access to passive infrastructure, if they have time to do so in between demanding access to BT's at a price they want to pay
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100 mpbs ?

In Western Canada, we already have 250 mbps on Cable internet in many areas, with 1000 mbps (Gigabit internet) in select cities like Vancouver with Fibre direct to the home.

ADSL fastest speed available here is currently 25mbps, except in fibre areas like downtown Toronto where they can offer 100mbps, but only in very limited markets.

I'd say that the UK is lacking in infrastructure in both ADSL and Cable internet.

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