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join:2004-11-24
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S_engineer
join:2007-05-16
Chicago, IL
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| Re: LOL Everyday we're hearing out something new about what ISPs should be doing. Whether it's a "miffed aol user" or the RIAA or NBC, the ISP has become the target of everybody that can't or doesen't know how to do their own work!
Can you imagine the scenario where the ISPs responsibilties include the holding of messeges sent anywhere so lawyers can check them and then litigate for slander!
This topic is the perfect argument for dumb pipes
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| Ban all protocols except permitted ones. Packet filter the permitted ones. All encryption keys must be filed with the govt in key escrow, so network filters can look inside all data. If its encrypted and can't be identified (because key isnt in govt database), packet is dropped and reported to govt as subversion of the law. | |
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join:2000-08-16
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| Re: LOL said by patcat88  :Ban all protocols except permitted ones. Packet filter the permitted ones. All encryption keys must be filed with the govt in key escrow, so network filters can look inside all data. If its encrypted and can't be identified (because key isnt in govt database), packet is dropped and reported to govt as subversion of the law. Aren't you the perfect little fascist cheerleader... | |
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Acere
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join:2002-07-28
Miami
| Re: LOL said by ross :said by patcat88 :Ban all protocols except permitted ones. Packet filter the permitted ones. All encryption keys must be filed with the govt in key escrow, so network filters can look inside all data. If its encrypted and can't be identified (because key isnt in govt database), packet is dropped and reported to govt as subversion of the law. Aren't you the perfect little fascist cheerleader... fascist cheerleader...LOL good one!
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| Re: LOL Nobody understands sarcasm.
America needs to get rid of terrorists and the unfaithful. Have all citzens go through lie detetors swearing allegience to the USA or be shot on the spot. It will clean this country up very well of facists and terrorists, and dslreports members.  | |
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brianiscool
join:2000-08-16
Miami, FL | hah ALL OF UK BELONGS TO US! | |
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| shoan
join:2006-02-27
Benton, AR | Re: hah are you sure that were not trying to say "ALL YOUR UK ARE BELONG TO US" referencing the poorly translated video game Zero Wing. | |
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join:2004-05-27
Brooklyn, NY | Re: hah So thats where thats from. Ahh. | |
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LiamJunket
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join:2002-03-03
Ocean City, NJ
·Comcast
|  Best, fairest discussion I've read on P2P issues
To summarize: although I suspect most BitTorrent traffic consists of pirated software, music, TV shows, and movies, there's also some important, legitimate content on BitTorrent-- Linux distributions, collections of classic ebooks in the public domain, Linux distributions... wait, I mentioned that already. Actually, there probably isn't that much legitimate BitTorrent activity. But however much there is, it deserves to pass unmolested on Comcast and other Internet services.
It's unfortunate that these files are being subjected to Comcast's traffic shaping, but that's what happens when people put legitimate content into a distribution channel designed and optimized to facilitate piracy.
So clearly we need a separate public-access peer-to-peer system. How would it differ from BitTorrent? Well, the content would have to be legitimate, and provably so. That means a central authority and a master list of authorized content.
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The whole article looks at it from both sides. The author isn't an ISP employee.
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| russotto
join:2000-10-05
Collegeville, PA
| Re: Best, fairest discussion I've read on P2P issues Well, the content would have to be legitimate, and provably so. That means a central authority and a master list of authorized content. Yeah, just like in Soviet Russia. This is the fairest you've read? Who are you, the new leader of the Taliban?
Even the medieval church only had a list of unauthorized content. | |
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| jimbo2150
join:2004-05-10
Youngstown, OH
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| said by LiamJunket :» www.news.com/8301-10784_3-980414···-1_3-0-5To summarize: although I suspect most BitTorrent traffic consists of pirated software, music, TV shows, and movies, there's also some important, legitimate content on BitTorrent-- Linux distributions, collections of classic ebooks in the public domain, Linux distributions... wait, I mentioned that already... I agree. Even though there is a lot of piracy going on, that doesn't change the fact that there are sites sharing or selling content legally. Even with the bad comes the good. I hope to see legal action taken on behalf of these companies against any congressional action and against companies that employ traffic shaping and block P2P traffic. That action takes away their business.
said by LiamJunket :» www.news.com/8301-10784_3-980414···-1_3-0-5...So clearly we need a separate public-access peer-to-peer system. How would it differ from BitTorrent? Well, the content would have to be legitimate, and provably so. That means a central authority and a master list of authorized content. H311 NO! This will lead only to proprietary programs and protocols that will hinder the entire industry! I hate distribution programs that are proprietary, closed to the outside world, and only available on certain systems. They leave scores of people out and hinder how and when content can be enjoyed. They need an open system that anyone can use but that is regulated by an outside, independent organization (preferably a non-profit, non-capitalistic entity) with regulation on what content can be sent over the server (based on legality, not personal/social opinion) but also require that consumers get their rights as well.
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backness
join:2005-07-08
K2P OW2
·Rogers Hi-Speed
| It's all about control of distribution Piracy flourishes due to the antiquated and thoughtless distribution system put forward by ‘Big Media’. They seek to control the distribution of ALL content without regard for the actual creators of said content. People like this will stop at nothing to keep control of the distribution channels.
We as a society need to accept that these suits bring no creativity to the table, no content, nothing.
Protecting them is giving up our future content to these pigs! | |
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swhx7
Premium
join:2006-07-23
Elbonia
·RoadRunner Cable
| Re: It's all about control of distribution Banning p2p also would be giving the future of music and video to the pigs.
It may be true that the majority of p2p today is copyright-infringing. But there is a significant minority that's legit - Linux distros and publicly-shared movies, for example - and these pols don't seem to have any concern about outlawing all of it along with the infringement. This is no accident - it's the purpose.
Notice that this comes just as some of the artists are getting free from the oppressive, ripoff contracts and distributing their own works independently of the record companies. Filmmakers will increasingly do this too. Clearly the copyright cartel wants to get all alternatives to their plantation system demonized and outlawed, before the alternatives take over and replace the dinosaur middle-man industry. | |
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jgkolt
Premium
join:2004-02-21
Lakewood, OH
clubs: | Re: It's all about control of distribution Let's look at thr good aspectsw. The innovation on p2p technology if this happens will be outstsndind | |
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jgkolt
Premium
join:2004-02-21
Lakewood, OH
clubs: | Re: It's all about control of distribution Don't know if i understand what your saying but it sounds cool. Ha. I typed my post in my phone so that is why my spelling was so bad.
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ieolus
Support The Clecs
join:2001-06-19
Duluth, GA | Re: D'oh! There is child porn on Bit Torrent? BAN THE INTERNET!
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joker5656
join:2006-06-23
Greenville, SC
·Charter Pipeline
| Let the Music Companies do something not ISP i say let the music industry do something and not force another company to do it for them. This cost the music industry nothing and cost the ISP's and cable modems and what not lots. I mean its like me wanting to get my neighbor to cut his grass but he won't listen so i have to call the neighborhood association to get it done, when in fact i could go over there and do it myself. Since the Music Industry is so feed up let them create copyright protected cds or videos. | |
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Ignite
Premium,VIP
join:2004-03-18
UK
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·UK Online
| Re: *Yawn* said by Doctor Four :I'll bet like all politicians, he's clueless about technology. Kind of reminds me of Ted "Tubes" Stevens (R) AK Yep totally clueless. He is under the impression that every file that UK ISP users transfer can be compared with a database of music tracks. Theoretically possible but the costs would be immense.
This if it were to happen risks turning the UK into a Darknet and hiding those who are trading things somewhat more provocative than a few tunes. | |
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claco
join:2002-09-29
Tallmadge, OH
| I agree completely! I think all ISPs should block Windows File Sharing! 
How about NFS too? Possibly SSH. Oh, what about port 80. Those files are evil too.
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wruckman
Ruckman.net
join:2007-10-25
Northwood, OH
·RoadRunner Cable
| Force? The government should keep its nose out of the ISPs business and worry about their own business governing. That is like ISPs telling governments how to do their job. They know nothing of technical issues that ISPs work with on a daily basis and have no business even attempting to comprehend. Every time you allow them to pass a law like this you give up a personal freedom. And I personally prefer to retain my freedom. Eventually you will have nothing left. Sieg Heil! While they are at it, why don't they just force people to eat healthy? Because that is their business too right? Sigh... | |
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GlobalMind
Domino Dude, POWER Systems Guy
Premium
join:2001-10-29
Hollywood, FL
| Yet another troll legislator If the artists aren't getting paid then perhaps they need to go check out the books of their labels and the pathetic contracts they use.
I say it again, the music/film industry has plenty of cash. Are the scared of pirate copies? Sure they are, and there have been pirates out there videotaping films and such for decades now. This is nothing new.
P2P certainly makes it easier to distribute the content, and while I don't really agree with offering copyrighted works on P2P without the owner's consent, I sure has heck don't believe we need some central repository of content to monitor and track everything.
Besides the colossal bureaucracy that would create, it most likely would also be a complete and utter failure.
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bjbrock
join:2002-10-28
Mcalester, OK | Drunk driving is against the law. Let's stop driving altogether. | |
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| Sammer
join:2005-12-22
Pittsburgh, PA
| Re: Drunk driving is against the law. said by bjbrock :Let's stop driving altogether. Actually it's more like making drinking illegal. | |
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join:2006-07-11
Beaverton, MI | Re: Drunk driving is against the law. Been there, done that and still doing it with other drugs, made things 100 times worse and greatly helped bring the mafia to power thanks to their being able to make millions and millions selling bootlegged alcohol.... | |
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Gogo1
join:2004-05-27
Brooklyn, NY
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join:2004-05-27
Brooklyn, NY | Because it seems to me one can get all the illegal movies and music they want from the web these days, never mind P2P and NTTP. | |
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