U.S. Broadband Black Holes Still Having to Wire Themselves Leverett, Massachusetts Votes Overwhelmingly to Build Fiber Network Way back in 2005 we profiled the Massachusetts towns of Shutesbury and Leverett, two shining examples of the kinds of U.S. towns that have fallen into broadband connectivity black holes. Large regional providers like Verizon didn't want to upgrade the markets, and could barely be bothered to keep aging copper in the region fully functional. The better part of a decade later at Leverett has decided to spend $3.6 million to build their own broadband network. According to The Daily Hampshire Gazette, 83.5 percent of voters supported the measure, which should see starting bids this summer. The network will raise local property taxes by about 6%, though supporters argue the savings they'll see in connectivity costs (many can only get over-priced satellite broadband) will offset those increases. "We wanted people to do the math for themselves, and generally they were satisfied with what they saw," said Richard Nathhorst, a member of the Broadband Committee.
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 KearnstdElf WizardPremium join:2002-01-22 Mullica Hill, NJ | I bet incumbents ruin it They will find ways to tie it up in court before bids start, Because thanks to corruption they can use money and override a vote. -- [65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports | |
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| Re: I bet incumbents ruin it said by Kearnstd:They will find ways to tie it up in court before bids start, Because thanks to corruption they can use money and override a vote. If they do try and tie it up in court, it will only highlight to the residents how crooked the incumbents are. If the incumbents didnt want it, why should they care? if they start caring now, its only because they want to be that spoiled little child who had its toys taken away(and if he can have them, no one can). | |
|  |  |  decifal join:2007-03-10 Bon Aqua, TN kudos:1 Reviews:
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| Re: I bet incumbents ruin it said by Chubbysumo:said by Kearnstd:They will find ways to tie it up in court before bids start, Because thanks to corruption they can use money and override a vote. If they do try and tie it up in court, it will only highlight to the residents how crooked the incumbents are. If the incumbents didnt want it, why should they care? if they start caring now, its only because they want to be that spoiled little child who had its toys taken away(and if he can have them, no one can). Um, people seem sedated now days.. ATT/comcast know this.. It will be stalled if they have even the slightest interest in the area... And alotta times even when they don't | |
|  |  |  |  | | Re: I bet incumbents ruin it said by decifal:said by Chubbysumo:said by Kearnstd:They will find ways to tie it up in court before bids start, Because thanks to corruption they can use money and override a vote. If they do try and tie it up in court, it will only highlight to the residents how crooked the incumbents are. If the incumbents didnt want it, why should they care? if they start caring now, its only because they want to be that spoiled little child who had its toys taken away(and if he can have them, no one can). Um, people seem sedated now days.. ATT/comcast know this.. It will be stalled if they have even the slightest interest in the area... And alotta times even when they don't not just those 2 companies are doing it, its every cable company across the board included..., but all their really doin is just stalling the build out.. fiber is the new, sure cable will prob still be used in certain areas no doubt, but what everyone is wanting really is competition and its just not happening so the local gov's are taking it apon them selves to do it..., the FCC really needs to stop playin favorites with the companies and let competition come in, force the laws that was passed to keep out community networks out (cause we all know the companies can not do it better than community, and if they want to refer it to water usages (suddenlink) as far as caps go.. then sure it should be owned by the local gov..) the caps and everythin these companies will bite them eventually | |
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 |  BiggA join:2005-11-23 EARTH | I doubt they care. They don't want to wire the place. | |
|  |  | | Verizon isn't doing squat. They didn't get their precious tax breaks so any expansion by Verizon in the state is dead. If they win in the courts they still won't do anything since they might have to take a loss. | |
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|  tshirtPremium,MVM join:2004-07-11 Snohomish, WA kudos:3 Reviews:
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| So they are spending $2000... per capita, so a household of 4 costs $8k. And that's just the town estimate, they don't have actual bids or even a bidding process set up. I'm sure they will find someone to take their money, can't be sure they'll end up with a working system. | |
|  |  | | Re: So they are spending $2000... Maybe Google FTTP could help them out !! | |
|  |  | | And that is the choice they made so what does it matter to you? | |
|  |  |  tshirtPremium,MVM join:2004-07-11 Snohomish, WA kudos:3 Reviews:
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| Re: So they are spending $2000... That the telco might be right that to build the FTTH the town wsa DEMANDING would require an excessively large investment per household. It's fine if EVERY citizen wants to pay for this through HIGHER TAXES. My guess is some old timers aren't real happy with how the newbies are railroading this through.
The second point is FTTH fanbois should wait for the end result before declaring this a Muni victory. We don't know the true cost, we don't know how well it works, and we can't know the benefit to the town at el, if any. | |
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| Verizon and Comcast, and way to go wisCONsin! Verizon and Comcast will quickly buy the statehouse to block muni fiber to the home. Afterall, nobody cares about upgrading when they can raise prices and gouge the consumer forever having owned the legal process locking down incumbency.
What's needed is a federal build or lose your monopoly law! It's a given NY metro this is the unwritten law of the land, but outside major metropolitan areas with millions of people? You're screwed, and you know it! These incubments, much like the oil companies with their everyday ROBBER BARRON BRAINWASHING PROPAGANDA commericals could give a rats ass about the consumer going to the poorhouse trying to buy gasoline. Well, telecom is part and parcel of the same club:
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|  |  decifal join:2007-03-10 Bon Aqua, TN kudos:1 | Re: Verizon and Comcast, and way to go wisCONsin! I miss George Carlin :-( he would have a field day with todays events | |
|  |  |  | | Re: Verizon and Comcast, and way to go wisCONsin! Comcast doesn't provide service to this market and Verizon doesn't seem to care. This is an area where satellite is the only high speed option - no DSL or cable at all. -- Jay: What the @#$% is the internet??? | |
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|  |  |  CXM_SplicerLooking at the bigger picturePremium join:2011-08-11 NYC kudos:1 Reviews:
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| Re: Verizon and Comcast, and way to go wisCONsin! I disagree; I think they understand it very well. The key is, they think they are more like the oligarchs then the average Joes. I don't know if it is because they idolize the oligarchs or because they hate the thought that they might be an average Joe... maybe a combination of the two.
It is a strange mentality indeed where self-hate will get you to argue against your own best interests. One things is certain, eventually they will realize where they really stand in the Grand Scheme and they will find their way to the local Occupy protests  | |
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| Springfield Wish Springfield (MA) would build a fiber network and give Comcast a run for their money.
The local public library has free Wi-Fi. I was there yesterday with time to kill as I drove mother to an appointment downtown and the library was nearby. There were people there using the Wi-Fi although I used the Mobile Broadband Connect feature on my iPhone. | |
|  | | Nice Finally, the government spending money on something the people are overwhelmingly in favor of. An example of when socialism is actually effective. | |
|  |  | | Re: Nice said by biochemistry:Finally, the government spending money on something the people are overwhelmingly in favor of. An example of when socialism is actually effective. ....local goverment..., not federal (bunch of money slaves for companies) | |
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 camaro92Question everythingPremium join:2008-04-05 Westfield, MA Reviews:
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| Very sad Amherst has a really big college called The University Of Mass (rolls eyes) which has very nice fiber connections running into the campus. Leverett is roughly 10 miles down the road to the center of town talk about cherry picking, but what else is new. | |
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| Re: Very sad All fiber is NOT equal. Amherst most likely is part of something called a SONET ring which costs thouands a month and is carrier grade, whereas FTTH is GPON or Metro Ethernet and connects back to different equipment at a much lower cost, and is fed by a SONET ring. | |
|  |  |  camaro92Question everythingPremium join:2008-04-05 Westfield, MA Reviews:
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| Re: Very sad You are correct sir, »www.photonics.com/Article.aspx?AID=19207. but still doesn't dismiss the fact that Verizon is wiring the most profitable areas and say screw the rest. I understand that every company has to make money, but if a company went around discriminating certain employes then that company wouldn't be in business for very long.I know that a city/town can't be discriminated against but this is how I see it. Also from what I read they ran all types of brand new fiber, business and residential. So that is ridiculous. I know this article is a little old but to Verizon that should be pocket change to run that.»fastnetnews.com/fiber-news/175-d···than-dsl | |
|  |  |  |  sk1939Premium join:2010-10-23 Washington, DC kudos:9 Reviews:
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| Re: Very sad The problem with building FIOS in less profitable areas has to do with the cost of the initial buildout. Each house costs Verizon somewhere around $600 to wire completely, plus the cost of building out the optical network in the first place. In an area with a high rate of people not paying their bills on time or at all, it can lead to a very large investment loss for the company. | |
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 |  |  | | Leverett is not building GPON we are building 1GB synchronous full ethernet with fiber to the household to every the sill of every residence. Parcels of buildable land in town will get fiber to the curb. So we are not building a compromise system but rather a full blown ethernet FTTH network.
Houses will be connected whether they subscribe or not in the build. All construction is paid for like public roads on the property tax bill. All residences see an increase in property value but since everybody is wired the tax rate per thousand goes down as the valuation goes up and nobody gets slammed with differentially increased taxes.
Houses will be connected in kind with how they get their utilities. Aerial if they get power aerially buried in conduit if that's how they get power. Public and private ways and all driveways regardless of length. If they get utilities they get FTTH
By the way Amherst has a coax Comcast network. The five colleges have a fiber optic full ethernet network (The Five College network) it serves (Smith, Hampshire, Mt Holyoke, Amherst and UMass) It does not serve the Communities. | |
|  |  |  |  sk1939Premium join:2010-10-23 Washington, DC kudos:9 | Re: Very sad Not surprising, but GPON is more cost effective at this moment than an Ethernet build, especially for a multiservice platform. If it's strictly for internet, then there are no issues. | |
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 |  | | OK here is the deal. The reason Leverett Could do this is because we are the people from that big university down the road 10 miles who live in Leverett. Verizon won't build a FTTH network in Leverett. Comcast Never came to Leverett. So we are building the network ourselves because the law in Massachusetts allows us to do so.
We have the political, fiscal and technical expertise to make it happen for ourselves. Oh and if someone calls us a bunch of socialists for doing so, well many in town will be complimented by the appelation. | |
|  |  |  | | Re: Very sad Who but the GOP buys the socialists BS... The irony is that most people who use that word, often know absolutely nothing about it beyond it's bad because Fixed news and friends (Beck / Rush) claim it to be. | |
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 RR ConductorNWP RR Inc.,serving NW CAPremium join:2002-04-02 Redwood Valley, CA kudos:1 | What about WISP's? We have a couple here in Mendocino County in NW CA now, they have gone in and provided service to underserved and unserved areas in the county, like Laytonville, Leggett, Covelo and Potter Valley. | |
|  |  | | Re: What about WISP's? Wireless is not always reliable and can be very disrupted when area gets snowstorm or fog. There is nothing like wireline connections! | |
|  |  |  RR ConductorNWP RR Inc.,serving NW CAPremium join:2002-04-02 Redwood Valley, CA kudos:1 | Re: What about WISP's? said by chgo_man99:Wireless is not always reliable and can be very disrupted when area gets snowstorm or fog. There is nothing like wireline connections! Well, that's true, but in areas like this (mountainous, rural, heavily forested and full of isolated areas) running fiber can be cost prohibitive, and even impossible to run in some areas. Most cell sites here are Microwave Backhauled (they will put one site in an area where it can get as much copper/fiber as possible, then link several outlying sites to it via Microwave), I mean the Telephone CO's, cable lines, etc. are all hooked via fiber, but get outside those main lines and it's a different story. Also, Mass is much more heavily populated than many areas here (Mendocino County is 3800 Sq.Miles in size, but only 86,000 residents), so what may work in an area like that wouldn't here. That and we are a relatively poor county.
Edit-My sister and nieces have a WISP in Laytonville, about 35 miles north of me, and they haven't had any issues with service going out during snow, rain or fog, and we get a lot of all three here during the winter.
Her WISP-
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|  |  |  |  | | Re: What about WISP's? I guess it all depends on who's providing the WISP Service. Where i'm at in MD, the WISP provider is "Bay Broadband" and they're fairly limited in their offerings. Not to mention the Line of Sight requirements and the 2 week wait for repairs. | |
|  |  |  |  |  | | Re: What about WISP's? I use a WISP in Virginia.
Line of sight required (I was lucky to live on a high ridge).
Slow - 1mb
Expensive - $100/month
Quite reliable (once I switched providers - luckily I had 2 WISP options. First one was terrible.) | |
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 | | yup typical I really hope more communities will start doing this.. the companies have been milking their lines for years and now add more to it (overages, caps) and yet they still don't cover rural areas.., in fact about 5 mins out of my town is a rural area known as cool, Texas where Casey James (I live in Mineral wells) came from..., and guess what no internet..., and the fiber is right next to them!!!, their only choice is dial-up, sat, or 3G, all have probs, their is also another little wireless company in Texas called skybeam that covers them, but its been said they suck so badly it would be like dial-up.. and no option for DSL at all!!, their right next to the fiber, I know this cause it runs between Weatherford Texas and heads out west, goes threw mineral wells, and keeps going, the wire is owned by at&t and not Suddenlink haha go figure
the wire got cut a early last year and Suddenlinks cable and at&t service went down everywhere practically in west Texas
pretty ridiculous that the cable co, and telecom are just sitting on their ace... like they have been. they want us tax payers to give them money for nothing and keep giving, but only to turn around and have our bills at 200 or more a month....I pray every day for the day I get to see when it bites them back.. | |
|  elray join:2000-12-16 Santa Monica, CA | A Bad Precedent While I can't fault the mob that voted overwhelmingly to tax themselves in order to see "something" done, doing so through the city is not only illegal, they'll also wake up to a hangover down the road.
This measure projects a $6,000 tax on every property owner - a figure that's sure to rise with bond rates. In exchange, the backers claim monthly rates will be lower; if one looks at existing muni projects, however, such is not the case. | |
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