U.S. Broadband Cannot Be Fixed Until You Tackle CorruptionEditorial: broadband cheerleading and Ivy League round tables aren't enough... 02:43PM Thursday Jun 26 2008 by Karl Bodetags: legal · coverage · business · cable · telco · Politics · worldAn eclectic and disjointed mix of businesses, consumer advocacy organizations, politicians and technologists this week banded together under the " Internet For Everyone" banner to promote, well, Internet for everyone. The group's long list of strange bedfellows includes the ACLU, Google, Consumer's Union, Internet2, OpenDNS, Free Press, the Writers Guild of America, the Nancy Drew fan fiction club and many more -- though I think they fail to directly tackle this industry's most pressing problem. According to the group's website, the organization has four primary principles: To make sure every American can benefit from the new economy and guarantee all citizens play an active role in our democracy, our nation must embark on a national campaign to connect every American to a fast, affordable and open Internet. Internet For Everyone Coalition | Access: Every home and business in America must have access to a high-speed, world class communications infrastructure. Choice: Every consumer must enjoy real competition in online content as well as among high-speed Internet providers to achieve lower prices and higher speeds. Openness: Every Internet user should have the right to freedom of speech and commerce online in an open market without gatekeepers or discrimination. Innovation: The Internet should continue to create good jobs, foster entrepreneurship, spread new ideas and serve as a leading engine of economic growth. I've seen enough of these types of groups come and go in my nearly a decade of covering the industry to begin to wonder what the actual point is. A group that wants a fast, fair Internet is about as pertinent as a group that demands tasty strudel for everyone. The problem is that while these groups field yet another feel-good event where Internet Ivy League celebrities like Tim Wu and Larry Lessig wax poetic on the limitless potential of the Intertubes, AT&T lobbyists are purchasing your State's entire legislative body in order to pass the "Anti-competitive consumer sodomy act of 2008" or some variant thereof. It's kind of like cheering for more wind on the deck of a rotting sailboat. I'd be more impressed if these groups dropped the banal, vague principles (seriously, who exactly opposes "innovation?") and took a strong stance on the real reasons broadband competition in this country is stagnant: government corruption, an un-skeptical media, the incumbent stranglehold on policymakers, the massive web of disinformation created by lobbyists, and the complete bi-partisan failure in government leadership. Don't get me wrong; I do think these groups can help institute change, but I think this particular group's mission statement is in dire need of clarity. With George Carlin's passing -- and his streamlining of the Ten Commandments fresh in my mind -- I'd like to replace the group's fairly mundane four principles with just one. I think my singular principle would be immensely more beneficial to this industry: Tackle corruption: The FCC should be stocked with technologists and visionaries, not bleating political partisans whose primary loyalties lie with the nation's largest corporations. Every effort should be made to purge the incumbent lobbyist stranglehold on this nation's policy makers. Until you do this, you will fix nothing. We have no competition without leadership. What leadership we do have acts primarily as an extension of the nation's broadband duopoly. With the FCC and FTC all but under the direct control of telecom operators, this duopoly has ensured that competition remains stagnant. They're spending billions to ensure that pro-consumer national broadband plans never come to pass -- while you're crying in your strudel. Tackle corruption if you truly want to create competition. Create competition and you organically solve this industry's biggest problems (network neutrality, anti-competitive monopoly behavior, ISP marketing department use of the term "eXtreme"). If you're not placing the elimination of incumbent control over lawmakers as the primary cornerstone of your broadband improvement plan, you might as well be holding a Tupperware party. Related:- Tuesday Evening Links
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join:2001-10-05 Rockville, MD | good point too bad it ain't gonna happen anytime soon. | |
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| Re: good point If the government wants to do something for the american people they should start by not paying a damn dime for foreign aid.
Then take the money they dole out to foreigners in this country, and dole it out to the old folks that can't even afford their medication.
After that try giving a little bit more to the old folks that are living off nothing but social security.
Want a little to help others. Stop importing anything into this country for a year, or 5.
Manufacture in USA, but here , use it here.
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| Re: good point said by vanishin :If the government wants to do something for the american people they should start by not paying a damn dime for foreign aid. Then take the money they dole out to foreigners in this country, and dole it out to the old folks that can't even afford their medication. After that try giving a little bit more to the old folks that are living off nothing but social security. Want a little to help others. Stop importing anything into this country for a year, or 5. Manufacture in USA, but here , use it here. There goes this Topic, shot to hell.
Please let's focus on Telecom policy and corruption, and take the rest of this to the appropriate other forums. -- Robb Topolski -= funchords.com =- Hillsboro, Oregon HTTP is the new Bandwidth Hog...
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| More of the same in '08 Well said. The problem is, no matter who you vote for, you end up with more of the same. Like Lee Elia (ex-Cubs manager) said 25 years ago, "it's a disheartening fucking situation we're in here"... -- There is no dark side of the moon really, matter of fact it's all dark | |
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| History Repeats it's Self Politicians in 1935: "And I promise there will be a chicken in every pot my brothers and sisters".
Politicians in 2008: "And I promise there will be a broadband connection in every house my brother and sisters".
It was bull sh*t then and it is bull sh*t now. -- Send a prayer to Allah, eat Beans. | |
|   Not So Fast
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| My .02 Sorry, but we don't need to open up yet another subsidy program, to bring "World Class" (whatever that is) broadband to the folks who choose to live in the middle of nowhere.
They already benefit from the lower cost structure of being in Poughkeepsie, or wherever. They can afford to pay a bit more if they want higher speeds.
We're already subsidizing the schools via E-Rate. You wanna talk about corruption? No more, no thank you.
It would be nice, if we could return the last-mile to regulated status, as a fat pipe only, and let vendors compete for services offered over that pipe. But I think that opportunity has passed.
There isn't much that a 100M connection will provide, over a 128kb connection, as it pertains to economic development. That's just pure fantasy.
We ordered 256K DSL, only because we couldn't get ISDN service (GTE/AE EAX-5 doesn't go there). Never needed even that speed. | |
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| Re: My .02 Your attitude is incredibly short sighted and selfish. It's like saying because I don't need a truck they should not be built.
100mbps bandwidth is like a truck it will be used by many people who want and need it to accomplish certain tasks.You may not need it or even want it but the market needs it in order to grow.
I remember the bad old days of 56K and how much it sucked, I long for the day we are all surfing at 100mbps and look back on the bad old days of 3mbps. | |
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| Re: My .02 the difference is that the government doesn't build trucks.
If people actually voted with their wallets for once, the FCC wouldn't be an obstacle. The Verizons of the world would have subs out the ass, while the cable co's who are trying to cap the net would bleed subs quicker than AOL.
Alas, like gasoline, cable TV, and countless other crap we complain about, most companies know that Americans are all talk, and no action. We'll complain to high-hell about gas prices and then go out and buy an SUV. Ditto for broadband. 90% of folks will complain about caps and so on, but hardly anyone will go through the couple hours inconvenience of switching to a bad business' competitor. -- "What makes us omniscient? Have we a record of omniscience? ...If we can't persuade nations with comparable values of the merit of our cause, we'd better reexamine our reasoning." -United States Secretary of Defense (1961-1968) Robert S. McNamara | |
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| Re: My .02 before you demonize the customer base, please note that a substantial portion of people have only ONE choice of broadband provider and nearly all the rest a choice between two providers. That's actually the crux of the bisquet - little or no competition in the broadband market.
I only have a choice of one broadband provider, so my wallet isn't going to be voting quite yet. As soon as FIOS gets here, the vote will be loud and clear. | |
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| said by Not So Fast :
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There isn't much that a 100M connection will provide, over a 128kb connection, as it pertains to economic development. That's just pure fantasy.
... you mean economic development related to your needs/desires. Clearly if you thought 256K was more than enough for your needs, you must just be a simple surfer and email checker.
It's not required that you move forward technologically, but it's no reason to say nobody else does either. | |
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| Yeah, lets keep sending money to people claiming to farm crop and give illegals even more of our money.. Why should any AMERICAN that lives where he/she choose's to live deserve broadband... Its like they should be treated just like anyone else out there.. not so fast.. Please kill your self immediately. | |
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| quote: Sorry, but we don't need to open up yet another subsidy program,
Does this group advocate subsidies as the primary way of accomplishing this? Subsidies are only one possible way. Aggressive action to increase competition is another. Sensible regulation is another. Still we have public subsidies of other basic infrastructure, like roads, so the idea isn't outrageous.
quote: to bring "World Class" (whatever that is)
Generally when one says world class one means comparable to the best that other countries offer.
quote: to the folks who choose to live in the middle of nowhere.
It seems to be impossible for people to grasp that many of the people who have no broadband options are not in the middle of nowhere. They are in new building development on the outskirts of town.
quote: They can afford to pay a bit more if they want higher speeds.
This assumes that they have the option to buy. For significant numbers there still are NO real broadband options (except perhaps the woefully inadequate satellite option which is no substitute for real broadband like cable, dsl, wireless.)
quote: It would be nice, if we could return the last-mile to regulated status, as a fat pipe only, and let vendors compete for services offered over that pipe. But I think that opportunity has passed.
I agree this is one possible legitimate approach. The opportunity hasn't really passed. There is just no political will to do it at present.
quote: There isn't much that a 100M connection will provide, over a 128kb connection, as it pertains to economic development.
There are certainly diminishing returns to ever faster speeds. Will you agree that society should find a way to see to it that everyone has the possibility of buying a 128kb connection that is reliable, reasonably priced(not necessarily as cheap as in major population centers but not outrageous), and a valid substitute for wireline broadband such as cable or dsl? This is still a dream for significant numbers of people. | |
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| said by Not So Fast :
Sorry, but we don't need to open up yet another subsidy program, to bring "World Class" (whatever that is) broadband to the folks who choose to live in the middle of nowhere.
They already benefit from the lower cost structure of being in Poughkeepsie, or wherever. They can afford to pay a bit more if they want higher speeds.
We're already subsidizing the schools via E-Rate. You wanna talk about corruption? No more, no thank you.
It would be nice, if we could return the last-mile to regulated status, as a fat pipe only, and let vendors compete for services offered over that pipe. But I think that opportunity has passed.
There isn't much that a 100M connection will provide, over a 128kb connection, as it pertains to economic development. That's just pure fantasy.
We ordered 256K DSL, only because we couldn't get ISDN service (GTE/AE EAX-5 doesn't go there). Never needed even that speed. please explain how living out of town cost less. my taxes are not a bit cheaper than people living in town.we pay more for every thing we do.we pay taxes like everybody else so why should we get treated any different.IM not saying the gov. should subsidize rural internet,but should regulate these company's again and make them provide internet for all with the billions they are making.we pay more taxes than you do.we pay more on gas than you do,and we pay more for tv,and internet,but you are very wrong if you think we benefit from lower cost structure that's bullshit | |
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| The problems can't be blamed on one group here Ok, so I am reading over this list and am ready to make my analysis. quote: Access: Every home and business in America must have access to a high-speed, world class communications infrastructure. Choice: Every consumer must enjoy real competition in online content as well as among high-speed Internet providers to achieve lower prices and higher speeds.
Problem: Capitalism. Corporations won't run cable down some roads right now without knowing they will make a profit on it. ISPs won't provide service to an area unless they know they will get a number of subscribers. Telling companies to take a loss and to spend billions more to give everyone high speed internet isn't the solution. My bet is a wireless ISP of some kind will spring up to fix this problem. quote: Openness: Every Internet user should have the right to freedom of speech and commerce online in an open market without gatekeepers or discrimination. Innovation: The Internet should continue to create good jobs, foster entrepreneurship, spread new ideas and serve as a leading engine of economic growth.
Problem: People. I know, its hard to blame society as a whole here, but there are people out there today that believe in certain things. Whats worse, those people who feel so strongly about their beliefs that they believe that certain things should be censored. Language, pornography, violent video games, religion, and so on. Internet sites cave into these demands at times. Whats the solution? More tolerant people or more hard assed site owners.
IMHO, corruption doesn't even factor into the problems that were described. -- My domain - Nightfall.net | |
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| Re: The problems can't be blamed on one group here quote 1:
If market capitalism isn't going to get the job done then maybe pure market capitalist approaches should be supplemented by additional approaches that can fill in the gaps left. In fact all western societies have generally taken this pragmatic approach.
quote 2:
"Whats the solution? More tolerant people or more hard assed site owners."
Well we aren't going to make the intolerant more tolerant. Their minds, combined with their life experience, means their brains aren't wired that way. Having hard assed site owners isn't a solution because we are all increasingly dependent on a few companies to provide our connectivity. A site owner can be as hard assed as he wants. If a small number of companies controls everyone's connectivity then he doesn't have jack to say about whether his site is cut off(or more likely slowed down or subverted in more subtle ways that allow deniability). This is an area where lack of competition and concentration of control works to make it much easier to censor.
"corruption doesn't even factor into the problems that were described."
Corruption plays a big part in the fact that the government has engaged in policies that have allowed market concentration, deregulated this concentrated power, and willfully subverted the pragmatic approach in favor of blind pursuit of purist market ideology. Certainly some of this problem is because some of these people are really true believers in their purist ideology but much of it is also because of the financial incentives and pressures that corporate lobbying brings to bear, which I think is rightly described as corruption. | |
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| Re: When in Rome said by Mr Matt :Our infrastructure is crumbling. I know! I was thinking the same thing this morning as the manholes in the street were exploding all around me. In fact, I was almost crushed by a 50 foot antenna falling off a building during lunch. Then, just a few minutes ago I narrowly escaped death when 5 water mains simultaneously burst as I was walking to get my shoes shined. Its a dangerous world out there folks, better watch your footing! -- If history teaches us anything, it teaches that simple-minded appeasement or wishful thinking about our adversaries is folly. -Ronald Reagan-
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| said by Mr Matt :  ...Our politicians are two busy kissing big businesses butts and are taking no action to correct the situation. ... just a small correction: politicians have their heads so far up the @sses of big business that can't see that action is necessary. | |
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| Re: When in Rome It was unprofitable, because it was to loud. It could only land in a few places. Dunno if thats a political issue or not, because i never actually have heard the thing close enough to be a bother  -- Computer Repair & Networking Services »MemphisPCGuy.com | |
|  SierraRob
join:2007-01-10 Prather, CA | Sigh... "U.S. Broadband Cannot Be Fixed Until You Tackle Corruption"
So much for U.S. broadband then. | |
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| Wrong Conclusion quote: U.S. Broadband Cannot Be Fixed Until You Tackle Corruption Get Off Your Asses, Raise Some Private Capital, And Build It Yourself!
If more people who whined about broadband were willing to do this, then there would be more choices. -- This isn't fair! I was only supposed to hate just ONE presidential candidate! | |
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| Re: Wrong Conclusion said by pnh102 : quote: U.S. Broadband Cannot Be Fixed Until You Tackle Corruption Get Off Your Asses, Raise Some Private Capital, And Build It Yourself!
If more people who whined about broadband were willing to do this, then there would be more choices. How very true. Its unfortunate we have so many more whiners than actual business savvy (dare I say visionary??) individuals. Everyone is looking for a handout these days, and they are expecting the government to regulate things "until they are fixed". Thats clearly an oxymoron, so lets instead encourage people to go out and do things themselves for a change.
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| In Utopia (deliberate reference), this would work great. Unfortunately, in the real world, multi-billion dollar corporations do anything they can, virtually unopposed and uncontrolled if not actually assisted by government, to prevent or destroy any such development. | |
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| said by pnh102 : quote: U.S. Broadband Cannot Be Fixed Until You Tackle Corruption Get Off Your Asses, Raise Some Private Capital, And Build It Yourself!
If more people who whined about broadband were willing to do this, then there would be more choices. Okay, you go first. Go out and try to raise the capital to build a new network to compete in the last mile with the big telecom players. More likely than not, most investors would laugh at you because you are more likely to fail than succeed competing against the entrenched players in the market now. And then, let's say you get the money, lets see if you can survive the tactics of the existing telecom providers to keep you from building and still have money left to build a network. And then, if you have any money left, let's see how well you are doing after you get all of the required permits and RoW access. If you get beyond this point, I'll be amazed.
The truth, what you advocate is far and away much easier to say than to ever actually execute. That is a fact. -- --- Over ten plus years of carrying The Clue Bat... | |
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| Re: Wrong Conclusion said by NetAdmin :Okay, you go first. Why?
I moved to where they have broadband. -- This isn't fair! I was only supposed to hate just ONE presidential candidate! | |
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| Re: Wrong Conclusion said by pnh102 :Why? I moved to where they have broadband. Okay, then let me generalize that... For people who advocate the "build your own network with private investment money to take on the big boys" schtick, I say that they should put their money where their mouth is and prove that it will work. -- --- Over ten plus years of carrying The Clue Bat... | |
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| The problem is still corruption, especially in local authorities- so, you want to use the Town of Somewhere's right-of-ways for a broadband internet service? Alright, we'll take a 30% franchise fee, and you have to fund our town's rebuilding of our city hall, and give free internet and TV to all public buildings... things like that will take a bite out of any potential profits (assuming you had a profitable business plan) and will scare away any investors (assuming you can find some in the current credit climate)...
And I haven't even talked about the troubles that may be held with the incumbents... blocking you from telco-owned poles? Alright, bury the lines- oops, more $$$, lost another funding source... running an expensive public campaign through astroturf organizations? Alright, run your own counter-campaign- crap, more money gone...
The best entities to deploy high-speed FTTH broadband are the incumbent corporations, who have pre-existing right-of-way access, vast capital resources, and years of experience. There should be a system in place to give those providers incentives to deploy FTTH, and those incentives should not be given until after deployment actually happens to avoid another Bell of PA mess. | |
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| Amen, Brother Karl!
I just moved back to the USoA from Germany. Germany is hardly the model of honest public servants and sterling ethics in corporations (just look at the recent Siemens scandal). However, they do have some amount of competition in delivering broadband internet and phone service.
For about 45 Euro ($65 nowadays) a month, I got flat-rate voice phone service to the entire country (no long distance charges) plus 16 Mb down / 1 Mb up ADSL service from the former monopoly, Deutsche Telekom. If I had bothered to shop around, I could have gotten cheaper.
Back in the States now, I can get 7 Mb / 896Kb ADSL from the local Baby Bell (no voice service included) for about $80 a month -- less service for more money. Such a deal. | |
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| nice quote A group that wants a fast, fair Internet is about as pertinent as a group that demands tasty strudel for everyone.
Quote of the year!
As far as the sentiment goes, until you eliminate corruption you won't solve any problems with government. And broadband penetration is pretty low on my list of problems with the government. -- It's a trick. Get an axe. - Ash | |
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| It is not the critic who counts... "It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself for a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
Teddy Roosevelt "Citizenship in a Republic," Speech at the Sorbonne, Paris, April 23, 1910
Karl,
I feel your frustration, but I point out that you're pointing at an honest attempt to fix something that is broken. Can these folks change the inbreeding at Washington DC? Maybe, but perhaps that's really a job that John Q. Public needs to do this November. (Can Congress get any worse?)
But this collection of butchers, bakers, and slapstick makers represents constituents on both sides of the aisle. When the ACLU and the Christian Coalition are on the same side of an argument, it becomes hard out there for a TelCo or Cable pimp.
I hear your frustration, Karl, and I share it. But let's cheer for the runners of the race instead of dismissing the futility of a track that kinda looks like a circle.
In empathy, but in the fight,
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| Re: It is not the critic who counts... said by funchords :Maybe, but perhaps that's really a job that John Q. Public needs to do this November. (Can Congress get any worse?) Have you actually looked at who you can vote into positions this election year? I know for one I have not found a single person I would vote for. I know I will be leaving most of my ballot blank this coming November. I may just have to write in Mickey Mouse for President again.
Just when you think something can't get any worse (congress in this case) it does. It doesn't take much thinking to come up with something that would make them worse (give themselves a nice hefty raise again) and there you have an even worse congress. | |
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| It's all about the money. The easiest cure: Remove money from politics completely. Allow politicians to draw campaign funds only from public pools. Disallow any form of contributions from anyone. If you want to show your support for a politician, cast a vote! End result: No more bought politicians passing and voting on behalf of their biggest contributors instead of the people who voted for them to represent THEIR interests.
Well, we could also educate the voting public to look into the issues they care about instead of blindly trusting partisan politics, sound bites and flashy commercials... but I think I'd rather stay inside the realm of the possible here.  -- Four gods wait on a windowsill, Where once eight gods did war and will. And if the gods themselves may die, What does that say for you and I? | |
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| Hmm this seems impossible, but it can happen... ...if We, the people of the USA, decide to take our country back. Karl, what you are proposing will be very difficult, because once something is corrupted, it is very hard to purify. It can be done though; it's a dream that I have had for a while (probably a pipe dream, but if I had enough people behind me, I would go for it). The only thing that keeps me from doing this is ignorance (sorry, I have to be honest). I am one of the ignorant ones who just isn't motivated to do this because of how big of a challenge it is. I shouldn't say "me", but US! We are the only ones who can change what is going on in Congress; if we band together, then it is highly possible. The only problem is...where do we start... | |
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| "Corruption" is over the top -- the real question is... Just like in the FISA controversy, you insist on labeling actions as "illegal" (which is another way to say "corrupt") when it simply isn't so.
You would like corporate contributions to politicans to be illegal... but they aren't.
How can there be a discussion when you won't even report the facts correctly? You try to draw your conclusion from the way you (incorrectly) frame the question.
This is not reporting, it's rallying the crowd that already agrees with you, and guaranteeing that the other side is shouted down.
That said... I think the right way to frame this question is, who should pay for and control the USA broadband infrastructure? Corporations or the Government?
Personally, I vote for corporations. At least there's some competition there. And, competition is the only real way you get to vote with your dollars.
If government takes over the broadband infrastructure, I guarantee you it will cost you and me a huge amount more than our monthly bill from AT&T/Comcast/whoever. Plus, it will be much less responsive to our needs.
Do corporations suck? Yes. Does government suck more? Absolutely.
Remember the last time you went to the Dept. of Motor Vehicles to do something? How did you like standing in line, being given no useful information on what to do, and being at the mercy of some "I don't really give a crap about you because I am in the state employee union and you can't fire me and besides I'm only tolerating this low-pay job because of my pension" clerk? That's what it'll be like if you get your broadband from the government. | |
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