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US Broadband Industry, Are You Listening?
Our top 10 gripes - Number 4
(old news - 08:39PM Friday Apr 01 2005)
We've been counting down what we believe to be the top ten problems that beset the United States broadband industry, one issue at a time.

Gripe Number Four: Stop the anti-muni broadband campaigns and deploy.

Ten states have banned community run broadband, and more than fourteen others are considering it - all solely at the behest of phone and cable company lobbyists. These efforts only gained widespread attention after Philadelphia bumped into Verizon in a quest to offer city-wide Wi-Fi.

Whether or not one agrees with the idea of a city getting into the broadband business, one thing is undeniable: Municipal broadband was created by the broadband industry. It is your lack of deployment, poor service, and spotty coverage that has pushed this nation's towns and cities toward exploring alternative connectivity options.

With the money you have spent on lobbying, disinformation campaigns, bell funded "research", and campaign contributions aimed at stopping such efforts, you could have wired the United States with broadband twice over and doled out some comfortable executive bonuses.

Good, bad, or ugly: Municipal decisions to run fiber or operate a Wi-Fi network should be left in the hands of citizens. If you want to stop them from considering the option, improve the quality and breadth of your own services.

And please, stop playing dumb.

Previously in this series:
#10 : Get out of the slow lane!
#9 : Stop hiding additional fees
#8 : Improved plans are not just for new customers
#7 : Treat technical support more seriously
#6 : Stop trying to kill the messengers
#5 : Fix it right the first time

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Matt
Take me down to the paradise city
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Jamestown, NC

Hell Yes!

I agree.

Instead of killing Muni-Projects, work out a beneficial middle ground!

aztecnology
O Rly?
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Murrieta, CA

Re: Hell Yes!

Yep. They waste more money trying to fight it, they could have wired everyone with all that cash...

Wills

join:2001-01-03
Port Charlotte, FL

Re: Hell Yes!

I wouldn't say they wasted money trying to fight it.

Let's apply a little business sense to this. What is the better choice if you're a business owner?

Spending a ton of money to rewire current customers and wire those that didn't have it, only to have half of them switch to the muni's offer. Then, as a kick in the nuts, be forced to let the muni use YOUR wiring to serve the customers they stole from you.

Or spend that money killing the muni, ensuring that you retain your current customers and you get all the future customers.

When you apply simply business sense they did the most monetarily sound thing. Self preservation and killing off any competition. While that's not good for us, we're not running the business.

And by the looks of most opinion, that's a good thing.
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Re: Hell Yes!

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Spending a ton of money to rewire current customers and wire those that didn't have it, only to have half of them switch to the muni's offer. Then, as a kick in the nuts, be forced to let the muni use YOUR wiring to serve the customers they stole from you.
That's called competition. It's a good thing.

A King could be a good king. Or he could slaughter the children of his competitors in the hope of extending his reign. The latter might be more effective; but subjects probably shouldn't stand about applauding the decision if they value quality living.

Wills

join:2001-01-03
Port Charlotte, FL

Re: Hell Yes!

A good king doesn't make money in today's business world. And competition isn't good for someone running a business. It makes them lower their prices and cut overhead.

Like I said, this isn't good for us as consumers, but we're not running the company.
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dilettante

join:2002-01-01
Haslett, MI

Re: Hell Yes!

So what's the point? March right into those slave ships because it's good for somebody's business.

All Hail the Great God of Unchecked Capitalism!
PDXPLT

join:2003-12-04
Banks, OR

Re: Hell Yes!

quote:
Municipal broadband was created by the broadband industry. It is your lack of deployment, poor service, and spotty coverage that has pushed this nation's towns and cities toward exploring alternative connectivity options
Yup, that's the whole point. If you don't want to deploy, and the people do (through their democratically elected officials), shut up and get out of our way.
ashakouri1

join:2002-08-23
Santa Monica, CA
yeah but you there is going to be some idiot or some senior citizen that doesn't know anything about computers or could care less about the internet and is going to complain about tax dollars being spent on a muni-project.
damox
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Olympia, WA
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Re: Hell Yes!

That's why these broadband ventures launched by municipalities should be required to be self supporting! The ones that I am aware of, are already such!
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2kmaro
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The heck of it is that it takes (wasted) taxpayer dollars to even begin to fight off the Big Bad Wolves. But it's not all that bad because it seems typical that the municipalities are only able to come up with a few thousand dollars to tout the PRO side of it while the large businesses spend tens or hundreds of thousands telling how cruel a punishment it would be on the citizens.

If it's true that it takes money to make money then the cableco's and telco's should do well, because they sure have the deep pockets necessary to protect their future interests.

Pz_

join:2001-03-31
Brownsburg, IN
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I don't have any kids, but my complaining of tax dollars being spent on education tend to not make a difference. I wonder why this one does. Must be people more rich than I doing the bitching.

We are all one big happy tax family. Everyone has to pay for everything. Unless its something cool for us, then it never seems to work out.
damox
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Olympia, WA
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A resounding YES! I absolutely agree! Municipalities should be encouraged in this regard. We obviously cannot trust the broadband industry to offer us the best product for the best price! Each municipality is different of course. In some communities the commercial broadband offerings are sufficient for the needs of the community, but in others they are sorely lacking.
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wherethemoneygoes

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the more energy and re$ouce$ the $pend on fighting muni project$ the le$$ they have to $pend on upgrade$
A vi$ciou$ cycle

mocycler
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I normally would not have a problem with an article like this, even if I do disagree with it.

What really yanks me is that it's ol' Karl again, in his tired, beaten-beyond-death Bell-bashin' and passing off editorials as "News".

Sorry, but I fail to see the slightest shred of "news" in this. Furthermore, I love the bit about "this is what we believe to be the top ten broadband gripes." Translation: We did no valid market survey and there is no factual information here. We're just making this crap up.

But I digress. The last thing we need is another do-nothing, lazy, inefficient government operation.

If the muni supporters think this is such a winner of an idea, they are certainly free to invest their private money and go at it. Talk is cheap when you're dipping into someone else's wallet.

Peace,
mocycler

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What really yanks me is that it's ol' Karl again, in his tired, beaten-beyond-death Bell-bashin' and passing off editorials as "News".
If you're tired of Karl's opinion you should probably stop reading the front page of this site. As you pointed out in your own quote, BBR has made it very clear that this is an opinion piece. Feel free to invest your private money in a broadband "all news, no opinions" site and go at it if you don't like it.

Perhaps BBR could benefit from some additional writers and viewpoints, but I think your slams against Karl are undeserved.
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Re: Hell Yes!

It's ok.

I write about a myriad of things here. P2p apps, MPAA crusades, spyware, cable industry price-gouging and bandwidth caps, scams, privacy laws, the FCC, DRM issues, Linksys custom firmware, cable-modem uncapping, app specific bandwidth throttling, UN Internet control, port-blocking, etc.

If you watch closely, the only time I get personal shots fired at me is when I criticize bell political policy. It's a fanboy thing.

mocycler
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said by djrobx See Profile:

If you're tired of Karl's opinion you should probably stop reading the front page of this site. As you pointed out in your own quote, BBR has made it very clear that this is an opinion piece....I think your slams against Karl are undeserved.
So I should not express an opinion unless it follows party lines?

BBR made nothing clear. They file the article in the news section and then admit they are merely speculating and commenting on what they believe to be true.

So which way is it? Is it verified, factual news; or is it some guy expressing his personal thoughts?

I've had many intelligent discussions with Karl, and we simply have an honest disagreement. Nothing nasty or disrespectful. If you characterize that as "slamming" then you really need to get a backbone.

I'm standing on my original post and take back nothing. Karl is an excellent commentator and editorialist, but a terrible reporter.

And I still think muni broadband is a dumb, socialist concept.

Peace,
mocycler

Matt
Take me down to the paradise city
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Re: Hell Yes!


Editorial
mocycler,

Perhaps you missed this part of the front page at BBr: »/

Here, I've attached an image and a definition for you.

Minister

join:2002-01-02
Fleeting
Yes and if he told you what you wanted to hear - namely that muni broadband is evil and ma bell should be given free reign to do whatever they like - you'd be praising his name instead of insulting him. Give it a rest.

insomniac
Oh Yeah
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Naperville, IL
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said by mocycler See Profile:

And I still think muni broadband is a dumb, socialist concept.
And this doesn't have anything to do with you being an SBC/Ameritech employee (as you mentioned in a post you made three years ago)? Or are you no longer working for them?
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Compete or fall behind. Companies like Qwest who tell cities like Salt Lake that they can't join the UTOPIA muni connection or else there will be job losses make me sick, not everyone will have access to it or even know about it. Qwest could always offer their "services" over the UTOPIA (or similar) connections like a couple other services I know of like AOL. Qwest needs to show some value in their services, and internet is not their only moneymaker...so I do not feel bad for them.

53059959
Temp banned from BBR more then anyone

join:2002-10-02
PwnZone

just goes to show

how much power the average joe has

reub2000
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join:2001-12-28
Evanston, IL

These aren't exactly my gripes

#10, and #8 are my only gripes out of the 7 so far.

Ark

join:2002-06-08
Hudsonville, MI

Re: These aren't exactly my gripes

#9 is up there too though. I think 8-10 are much more important gripes than all the rest so far. Maybe this list is backwards.

reub2000
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Evanston, IL

Re: These aren't exactly my gripes

#8 would if it concerned me, since I'm a minor, and my parents pay the bill. However, I do agree that it is underhanded tactic to use.
rmeldrum3

join:2005-01-07
Provo, UT

I agree

One of the few things my city is doing right is installing a fiber network. In fact they are in the process of installing the cable as we speak. It will be so cool to tell CommieCast. Where they can stick it once the system is up and running.
SanJoseNerd
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join:2002-07-24
San Jose, CA

Build it if they won't come

Cities routinely spend public money to build airports, sports stadiums, and other things that could be built by private industry. But if private industry doesn't do it, the citizens should have the right to do it themselves.

A decent airport can mean the difference between life and death for a small city. Shut the airport, and the city suddenly becomes remote, which depresses property values and makes the city unattractive to business.

Some cities are beginning to perceive that decent broadband is in the same category as a decent airport: necessary to the long-term survival of the city.

Can you imagine any state legislature passing a law that forbids cities from building or upgrading their airports and stadiums? The howls of outrage would be deafening.

pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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Mount Airy, MD
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Re: Build it if they won't come

said by SanJoseNerd See Profile:

Can you imagine any state legislature passing a law that forbids cities from building or upgrading their airports and stadiums? The howls of outrage would be deafening.
I would love it if Pennsylvania had passed a law forbidding public financing of sports stadiums. Given that the city of Philadelphia spent nearly half a billion dollars on new stadiums for the Phillies and Eagles when record numbers of people are being gunned down in the streets shows that the city really doesn't have its priorities straight.

Half a billion dollars could have hired a lot more police officers, hired a lot more good teachers, paid for a lot of school books... the list goes on and on. Unfortunately, Philadelphia is once again going on some wild-eyed, unneeded municipal wireless broadband plan when other city services need major upgrades. To me, this is like planning a room addition to one end of the house while the rest of the house is on fire.
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XBL2009
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join:2001-01-03
Chicago, IL

ADSL 2+

SBC should have upgraded to ADSL 2+ already....

They are taking to long to get there network up to speed.

It would be awesome if the city provided 10 megabit connections and wifi.

smokeyray

@comcast.net

muni

alright be honest how many muni's could actually run anything better than a private company? With what it costs to upgrade a system and maintain it what muni could afford it?
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