 OCZThe Former Pocket join:2009-05-15 Saint Paul, MN | Comparison... It's kind of cool to see how much more the East coast is covered with broadband access then the west coast. | |
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I guess the same could of been said of phone, electric, gas, highways, and educational systems. Glad the government stepped in to force those on us. It is about time they do the same here. | |
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Not to mention over the long-term, even with a somewhat lower uptake rate on the fiber, the initial capital investment will be paid off. | |
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I would be happy to debate this with you all day. Lets start with the fact that I am assuming there in Nebraska where you saw "that sign" you were on a road that was provided by the government weren't you? Or was this a dirt trail created by many other cars that traveled before you like back in the 1800's?
I will also assume that when you arrived 157 miles at that next service station you would be able to use their phone and they had electricity and running water all of which were there because they were REQUIRED to be there.
Or are you suggesting that a service station that is that remote earns enough money that it paid the 10,000's if not millions of dollars to provide all those services (road, phone, water, electricity) to itself and continues to bask in the cash to maintain those services?
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said by Skippy25:First I did not insult you, I simply pointed out the shear stupidity and lack of vision in your very short sighted comment. If you should be judged by this one comment, let me know. I would be happy to debate this with you all day. Lets start with the fact that I am assuming there in Nebraska where you saw "that sign" you were on a road that was provided by the government weren't you? Or was this a dirt trail created by many other cars that traveled before you like back in the 1800's? I will also assume that when you arrived 157 miles at that next service station you would be able to use their phone and they had electricity and running water all of which were there because they were REQUIRED to be there. Or are you suggesting that a service station that is that remote earns enough money that it paid the 10,000's if not millions of dollars to provide all those services (road, phone, water, electricity) to itself and continues to bask in the cash to maintain those services? Bring the debate on if you think you have one. I'll stand by my initial statement regarding your post - "There are jerks who unfortunately cast out insults and are unable to debate." -- "People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use." | |
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Well played, now tuck your tail and go hide under the bed. | |
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 |  iansltx join:2007-02-19 Golden, CO kudos:2 Reviews:
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| There was a controversy about SpeedMatters awhile back. Something about their networks being low-bandwidth. They may have fixed that now, but unless they have multiple geographically diverse speedtest sites you're not getting an accurate description of speeds.
Also, by the end of the year the nation's largest cable company will have most of their customers above the 10 Mbps mark, shifting the national average northward by a megabit or two. | |
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| Basic geography The US has a lot of people spread over a wide area. Countries that are high and fast in BB pentration are generally smaller, and have a higher concentration of people (Japan, S Korea, most parts of Europe).
Also, a side note. That map color kinda makes New Jersey look like a pimple on the United States | |
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 |  |  KearnstdElf WizardPremium join:2002-01-22 Mullica Hill, NJ | Re: Basic geography it is also money, lots of these super fast countries the networks are being built by state owned or state funded telecoms and not stock held corporations.
could our corporations run fiber to every home, sure but the stock holders would fire the board. -- [65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports | |
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| Re: Basic geography said by Kearnstd:could our corporations run fiber to every home, sure but the stock holders would fire the board. They can, and do (Verizon FiOS). Now, after spending $25 billion, they're making money hand over fist. -- My BLOG! Black Friday Ads | |
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 |  |  |  | | said by Kearnstd:it is also money, lots of these super fast countries the networks are being built by state owned or state funded telecoms and not stock held corporations. could our corporations run fiber to every home, sure but the stock holders would fire the board. No they're not. Japan didn't subsidize fiber build-out. They used very strict regulations to encourage FTTH. That's why their most remote rural areas still don't have fiber.
Sweden is the same. Only South Korea's government really seems focused on subsidizing fiber build-outs.
And considering the telecoms received $200 billion here in the US to build out fiber (and instead used that money to build their wireless networks, which have been a giant cashcow for them over the last 10 years), I don't see how the industry could be any more "subsidized" over here. | |
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 |  |  baineschile2600 ways to livePremium join:2008-05-10 Sterling Heights, MI | Re: Basic geography Actually, I would love that stat. I wonder how the average of Poland, Austria, Bosnia, etc would factor in.... | |
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 |  BF69Premium join:2004-07-28 Camden, TN | said by baineschile:The US has a lot of people spread over a wide area. Countries that are high and fast in BB pentration are generally smaller, and have a higher concentration of people (Japan, S Korea, most parts of Europe). That's a bullshit excuse. then how come RI doen't have symetrical 100 Mbps conenctions? Very small and TWICE the population density of Japan | |
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| Re: Basic geography Because there isnt 1 provider that serves RI that doesnt service a larger state where the infastructure is already in place.
Also, lets not forget basic business here. Supply and demand. Right now, there is very little demand for a 100/sym interner (BBR users aside), therefore, there is no supply. | |
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 |  |  |  | | Re: Basic geography That's really not true. The recent recession has demonstrated the increasing inelasticity of broadband. The fact that lower-speed DSL providers continue to hemorrhage customers to higher-speed cable, forcing AT&T and Verizon to upgrade their networks, is ample evidence of demand.
Verizon's Fios service thus far has been quite successful. Rural carriers who have been stringing out fiber over the last decade have also been successful. This proves there is in fact demand for FTTH.
Not to mention the issue is often times a chicken and egg scenario. Until the connections are available and a few early adopters use them and tell all their friends how great it is, the demand will not reach its true potential. | |
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 |  |  |  |  | | Re: Basic geography said by sonicmerlin:Verizon's Fios service thus far has been quite successful. Rural carriers who have been stringing out fiber over the last decade have also been successful. This proves there is in fact demand for FTTH. FiOS is successful because they are aggressively marketing it and aggressively competing against cable. Put two computers, one connected to cable, one connected to fios and don't tell people which is which and they won't really be able to tell the difference, nor care about the difference.
The TV service is also a major draw to FiOS. Not only does it provide more channels but it is also cheaper in many places. | |
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| Correction: it's not about supply and demand, it's about competition.
In areas where there's 50 Mbps fiber, cable companies have been quick to roll otu 50 Mbps DOCSIS 3. I'll bet Comcast will have 100 Mbps by the end of next yesr, maybe even symmetric thanks to channel bonding on the upstream side of the pipe. However that will probably only be in a select few areas, where FiOS is, at least for awhile. | |
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| said by baineschile:Also, a side note. That map color kinda makes New Jersey look like a pimple on the United States More like a wart on the ass of progress.
Or a festering sore of corruption. Where else can you find rabbis trafficking in kidneys? -- Petty people are disproportionably corrupted by petty power
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 BF69Premium join:2004-07-28 Camden, TN | Kind of dubious I saw for my zip code it said 768 kbps-6 Mbps and I know Charter offers 20 Mbps. Clicked my area and only 4 tests were done. How in the hell are you going to base anything on 4 tests. It says 2326 kbps for the speed in my area. Which is of course totally off. I can guarantee the vast majority of people in my area that have internet have speds faster than 2326 kbps | |
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 cacoPremium join:2005-03-10 Whittier, AK 1 edit | Last I checked Puerto Rico was not a state. Someone please tell these folks. Shit load of unions on the island though.
They threw in DC also. Nice. -- »www.seabee.navy.mil | |
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 |  BF69Premium join:2004-07-28 Camden, TN | Re: Last I checked Puerto Rico was not a state. Give it time PR wil be | |
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 |  mrkevinKnowledge comes, but wisdom lingers.Premium join:2007-08-07 Aurora, ME | They also included the US Virgin Islands. | |
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 |  |  BF69Premium join:2004-07-28 Camden, TN | Re: Last I checked Puerto Rico was not a state. said by mrkevin:They also included the US Virgin Islands. damn them virgins! how dare they think of themselves as americans! | |
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 mrkevinKnowledge comes, but wisdom lingers.Premium join:2007-08-07 Aurora, ME | I'm happy I see my state ranks 42...Way to go. I see at least we are consistant.
The map is wrong also. We offer more than 768k, and our area is colored white. -- An army of sheep led by a lion, will always defeat an army of lions led by a sheep. | |
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Just because my neighbors down the street have access to both Fios and Comcast, doesn't mean that those providers cover the whole area. | |
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 |  | | said by mrkevin:I see my state ranks 42...Way to go. I see at least we are consistant. The map is wrong also. We offer more than 768k, and our area is colored white. Strange how almost everything you and a few other users say is met with logic and rational thought. | |
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 |  |  mrkevinKnowledge comes, but wisdom lingers.Premium join:2007-08-07 Aurora, ME | Re: I'm happy said by sonicmerlin:Strange how almost everything you and a few other users say is met with logic and rational thought. I don't know what to say. Maybe because I am logical and rational...just a thought. -- An army of sheep led by a lion, will always defeat an army of lions led by a sheep. | |
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 |  iansltx join:2007-02-19 Golden, CO kudos:2 | Re: Population Density Or less. Wireless gear is pretty cheap these days ($150 for a radio + antenna etc.) however it requires relatively clean spectrum. Which is available in rural areas where you don't have the nation's largest WiFi network at your disposal (linksys). | |
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 |  OmegaDisplaced OhioanPremium join:2002-07-30 Cheyenne, WY | Re: Big suprise I have faster internet in Wyoming (8 mbit) than I ever did in California and Ohio. Next year, I'm going to upgrade to 16mbps. Compare that to 3mbit in Ohio (Cleveland) and 6 in CA (Santa Maria) -- Whats smells like blue? | |
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 |  |  TransmasterDon't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus join:2001-06-20 Cheyenne, WY 1 edit | Re: Big suprise said by Omega:I have faster internet in Wyoming (8 mbit) than I ever did in California and Ohio. Next year, I'm going to upgrade to 16mbps. Compare that to 3mbit in Ohio (Cleveland) and 6 in CA (Santa Maria) Indeed I have 7 meg's from Qwest, what we have fairly good.  -- I am quite sure now that often, very often, in matters concerning religion and politics a man's reasoning powers are not above the monkey's. - Mark Twain in Eruption | |
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| Zip Code Something to note, their map goes by zip code. In some states, WV for instance, a zip code can cover a huge area. That doesn't mean that the whole area is covered by broadband. I noticed several areas that they had only 1 test for. (Including my own under/unserved zip) -- Fight Cancer! Join DSLR's Team Discovery | |
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 jmn1207Premium join:2000-07-19 Reston, VA | Looking Good A 1.6 Mbps increase over a couple of years is nearly a 50% improvement. If we continue at this pace we will be on track much sooner than what is being reported. I don't anticipate us making only 1.6 Mbps increases every 2-3 years, but rather a 50% increase in current average speeds. It shouldn't take us 15 years to catch up. | |
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| said by jmn1207:A 1.6 Mbps increase over a couple of years is nearly a 50% improvement. If we continue at this pace we will be on track much sooner than what is being reported. I don't anticipate us making only 1.6 Mbps increases every 2-3 years, but rather a 50% increase in current average speeds. It shouldn't take us 15 years to catch up. So while the US is gaining in the single megabit speeds, other countries are going to hundreds of megabits and gigabit speeds leaving us further behind. -- My BLOG! Black Friday Ads | |
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 |  |  jmn1207Premium join:2000-07-19 Reston, VA | Re: Looking Good said by Gbcue:said by jmn1207:A 1.6 Mbps increase over a couple of years is nearly a 50% improvement. If we continue at this pace we will be on track much sooner than what is being reported. I don't anticipate us making only 1.6 Mbps increases every 2-3 years, but rather a 50% increase in current average speeds. It shouldn't take us 15 years to catch up. So while the US is gaining in the single megabit speeds, other countries are going to hundreds of megabits and gigabit speeds leaving us further behind. I really can't say. 20 Mbps was leading the way this year with average broadband download speeds, what was this back in 2007? If it was anything more than 10Mbps, we would appear to be making gains, statistically speaking. 50% is a significant increase, and if it can be maintained, we should be right near the top before too long.
Personally, I don't really expect us to catch up anytime soon, but I don't expect us to fall hopelessly behind any more than we already appear to be. | |
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I have a 12 Mbps connection, Normally get about 11.6 Mbps, with there speedtest I was just above 8 Mbps.
So what good does it do when the tool they use to figure out these results is inaccurate. | |
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 |  BF69Premium join:2004-07-28 Camden, TN | Re: Inaccurate Speed test said by dlewis23:You know when the speed test they use is inaccurate, this does no good. I have a 12 Mbps connection, Normally get about 11.6 Mbps, with there speedtest I was just above 8 Mbps. So what good does it do when the tool they use to figure out these results is inaccurate. I found thier test to be accurate as other.
Just test speakeasy 13.4 Mbps, chater speedtest 14.4, theirs 13.7 Mbps | |
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| Side Note I'm more-than-curious about why one would need such uber-fast BB connections in the first place. One certainly doesn't need it for basic web surfing & email! The only things I can think of are P2P & a "family" home network. -- No keyboard present or keyboard error. Press <F1> to continue.... | |
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 |  toddbs98 join:2000-07-08 North Little Rock, AR | Re: Side Note A universal broadband plan giving every American access to the Internet would be socialism and something only Hitler and other Nazi's would endorse just like Universal health care. These people should be proud Americans a be glad to get whatever corporate America decides they need at the highest possible price. -- Patriots always speak of dying for their country never killing for it. Bertrand Russell
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| Russia is a G20 member. said by Karl Bode:The group, with an obvious interest in increased broadband deployment, has long lamented the fact that the US is only industrialized country without a national policy... So where do I go to find the National Broadband Policies for Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, Argentina or Mexico?
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 | | Speed This report should be viewed with a grain of salt. Distance to test point has a large impact on discoved data. I can take a speed test to my carriers local switch station 10 miles away or a dept of energy test site 1 mile away and get speed figures within 5% of the cap I pay to achieve. If I take another test in s korea I'm only getting 35% of my speed. I see no way you can set a standard for the results that are being reported, nor did I see an explanation of how they standardized their test results across the countries they tested. Of course many other factors play a role in the speed that broadband connections achieve. Most importantly, the choice to have a cheap and realitively slow connection. I know my isp will sell a $20 1.5 meg connection or a $65 20 meg connection and many speeds in between.
I'm curious to see what speeds are on the 4g cell networks when they start rolling out. I saw that DoCoMo reached 5/gb in tests about 6 months ago. I also wonder if they will start marketing to consumers or businesses for non-mobile access. I can't fathom a smartphone that could put speeds of that measure to any practical use. | |
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