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Finally. Some decent speeds. Lets see if it will actually work as promised. | |
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 |  lakinoPremium join:2003-04-03 Campbell, CA | Re: Good Speeds. said by Anti_Cyrix: "it must be capable of... ...2Mbps while stationary indoors"
Finally. Some decent speeds. Lets see if it will actually work as promised.
ummmm... what will you need these speeds for on a little cell phone? Watching LOTR on that mini screen? I think 128k is overkill for cell phones. Whose gonna need the speed of these networks? It's a case of: they'll come if we build it. -- Why do people like .sig files so much? Baffling to me... | |
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 |  |  AthlGrondPremium,MVM join:2002-04-25 Aurora, CO Reviews:
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| said by lakino: ummmm... what will you need these speeds for on a little cell phone? Watching LOTR on that mini screen? I think 128k is overkill for cell phones. Whose gonna need the speed of these networks? It's a case of: they'll come if we build it.
If you plug your cell phone into your laptop you can use it as a modem.
If your cell phone can play music you can stream it off the internet.
If your phone can take pictures you can send them over the internet.
128kbps would be marginal for any of those purposes.
BTW I don't need to do any of those things, but automatically pooh-poohing the usefulness is short sighted IMO. | |
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Sprint tagged me with a $400 bill on that one. CSR kept telling me that I wouldn't get charged for a data cable. I had to call them 15+ times to get the bill fixed, and now I get daily SMS spam.  -- MediaXPeer | |
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 |  |  DrTCPYours trulyPremium,ExMod 1999-04 join:1999-11-09 Round Rock, TX | said by lakino: said by Anti_Cyrix: "it must be capable of... ...2Mbps while stationary indoors"
Finally. Some decent speeds. Lets see if it will actually work as promised.
ummmm... what will you need these speeds for on a little cell phone? Watching LOTR on that mini screen? I think 128k is overkill for cell phones. Whose gonna need the speed of these networks? It's a case of: they'll come if we build it.
No you do not generally need broadband on your cellphone. But you need broadband speeds on your laptop when your laptop is hooked to your cellphone. In other words, it is for your laptop, TabletPC etc.
The more important question is how much is it going to cost? Depending on the cost it might be another unused feature of the cell phone that is exercised by those corporate executives and wall street types with deep pockets only. | |
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 |  |  | | Umm, EvDO= Evolution Data Only. Hmm Data Only would mean no voice wouldn't it? So you wouldn't get those speeds on your cell phones now would you?
Hmm, I guess you had a hard time with the reading comprehension tests. -- CCNA, Comtrain Certified Tower Climber | |
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 |  |  |  lakinoPremium join:2003-04-03 Campbell, CA | Re: Good Speeds. said by cmaenginsb: Umm, EvDO= Evolution Data Only. Hmm Data Only would mean no voice wouldn't it? So you wouldn't get those speeds on your cell phones now would you?
Hmm, I guess you had a hard time with the reading comprehension tests.
Hmm, I guess you're an idiot who doesn't read Press Releases carefully.
BEDMINSTER, N.J., and LAS VEGAS, Jan. 8 /PRNewswire/ -- Verizon Wireless, the nation's largest and most reliable wireless voice network and the leader in next generation technology deployment, will begin immediately to expand its BroadbandAccess service nationally. Powered by Evolution-Data Optimized (EV- DO) third generation (3G) wide-area network, BroadbandAccess commercial service, with average user speeds of 300-500 kilobits per second (kbps), is expected to be available in many major U.S. cities this summer.
Does it say "data only" or "data optimized"? Yeah, you need to understand the meaning of comprehension indeed.
Additionally, unless you're using an analog phone from 1995, your cell phone is digital and the voice is converted to data before it leaves that handset. So everything trasmitted IS 100% digital data. You need to "comprehend" the technology and terminology before you go around spouting that ignorance of yours.
Sheehs.. some people gotta prove how stupid they are every day with their posts. -- Why do people like .sig files so much? Baffling to me... | |
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Wrong.
1xEV-DO this Summer I.J. Hudson, Tech Reporter Verizon just announced a new high-speed wireless Internet service. It's called EvDO for Evolution Data Only
»www.nbc4.com/technology/2045536/detail.html
Furthermore, Feb 2004 PC World has an article on 3G (EDGE and EVDO). They call it "Evolution Data Only."
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 |  |  |  |  |  lakinoPremium join:2003-04-03 Campbell, CA | Re: Good Speeds. said by bklynite: said by lakino: Powered by Evolution-Data Optimized (EV- DO)
Wrong.
Haha.. The arrogance. That was directly quoted from the press release of Verizon. If it's wrong, go tell it to Verizon. -- Why do people like .sig files so much? Baffling to me... | |
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Why? Because that's what Lucent calls it. Perhaps other vendors like Nortel call it something different. | |
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 |  |  |  HardwareLustSubaru WRX ManiacPremium join:2002-01-02 Harrisburg, PA | said by cmaenginsb: Umm, EvDO= Evolution Data Only. Hmm Data Only would mean no voice wouldn't it? So you wouldn't get those speeds on your cell phones now would you?
Hmm, I guess you had a hard time with the reading comprehension tests.
Yes, it's true at the beginning it will primarily be for laptops (and pda's), but it's only a short matter of time before they contract a handset that will use it as well. AT&T has both 'edge' cards and a handset (which I have) that use EDGE, so I have no doubt that Verizon is planning the same. There just isn't enough profit margin from business-only oriented wireless use to justify the development cost and rollout! Just ask anyone who used to work at Ricochet about that!  -- Wait. Time passes. It is getting dark. You are likely to be eaten by a grue. | |
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 |  |  |  |  SpitefulCrowInsert Witty Tag HerePremium join:2003-06-04 Berkeley, CA | Re: Good Speeds. Which handset? I have the NEC 515 and it's a great phone. Unfortunately my plan doesn't include mMode, but I'd love to be able to try it sometime. | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  HardwareLustSubaru WRX ManiacPremium join:2002-01-02 Harrisburg, PA | Re: Good Speeds. said by stufried: I'm not a hundred percent sure, but I think the 515 is GPRS, not edge.
You are quite correct. NEC 515 and 525 both are GPRS. -- Wait. Time passes. It is getting dark. You are likely to be eaten by a grue. | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  HardwareLustSubaru WRX ManiacPremium join:2002-01-02 Harrisburg, PA | said by SpitefulCrow: Which handset? I have the NEC 515 and it's a great phone. Unfortunately my plan doesn't include mMode, but I'd love to be able to try it sometime.
Nokia 6200 -- Wait. Time passes. It is getting dark. You are likely to be eaten by a grue. | |
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The service is not intended to cell phones, until more robust media applications, like video, are supported. | |
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 1 edit | National does not = everywhere I've seen the EvDO coverage plans for my market. Unlike our 1X rollout, we WILL NOT be making EvDO available on all cell sites.
Our initial EvDO coverage plan is to cover the airport, downtown, and east to the beaches.
Nada on the westside or rural parts of town. Nothing in Tallahassee, Nothing in Gainesville. If you're in an area where you can get our EvDO...you can probably already get cable or dsl. | |
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Our initial EvDO coverage plan is to cover the airport, downtown, and east to the beaches.
Nada on the westside or rural parts of town. If you're in an area where you can get our EvDO...you can probably already get cable or dsl.
This means that it's as good as wi-fi (or perhaps a bit worse?) | |
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 |  |  BIGMIKEPremium join:2002-06-07 Westminster, CA 2 edits | Re: Download No upload All The IPS,they give you more download speed, but` NO upload speed And Verizon DSL upload is to slow 125, kbps look watt you need to server a game like Battlefield, and my cable is 3000/384, Verizon DSL upload speed 125, kbps that sucks. »www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/audio.pl?suc···av=sucks
We highly recommend Battlefield servers to be run on dedicated server platforms. Currently, the best performance is on a machine with the following specifications:
8-player WinOS/800Mhz processor/256MB RAM/ADSL connection
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| Re: Download No upload said by BIGMIKE: All The IPS,they give you more download speed, but` NO upload speed And Verizon DSL upload is to slow 125, kbps look watt you need to server a game like Battlefield, and my cable is 3000/384, Verizon DSL upload speed 125, kbps that sucks.
You want more upload on Verizon DSL then pay for it. I have had a 1.5/384 live for 2 years.
DSL upload goes all the way to 768 and download to 7.1 as long as you are within 9,000' (EWL) of the CO. It's not cheap but it is available. -- Always Reach Beyond Your Grasp | |
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Very easy answer: I can't take a cable modem with me to the park, the restaurant, the coffee shop, the doctor's waiting room, the car dealership, the home office in San Diego, ...
Plus getting 80/80 in hotel rooms and airports when I travel is nice, especially when I don't have to worry about finding an overcrowded WiFi hotspot.
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 |  |  RobIn Deo speramus, God Bless the USAPremium join:2001-08-25 Kendall, FL kudos:2 | Re: National does not = everywhere I wonder if we will be able to signup just for the data and pay $79/mo. just for data and not have to get a voice service along with it.
I've been waiting for this for a long time! | |
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 |  |  |  | | Re: National does not = everywhere I've been setting up some data plans for my company with VerizonWireless 1x network. When you get a data only plan the device still has a cell # but it's 25 cents a minute if you want to use it for voice. But that's for 1x Air Cards and current PDA's like the Samsung i700. I'm not sure if the new Air Cards for EVDO have voice capability. | |
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| 2mbps@home According to the FCC website, to be able to truly call a service third generation wireless, it must be capable of minimum speeds of 144kbps while in motion (traffic), 384kbps while walking, and 2Mbps while stationary indoors.
Am i understanding this correctly? We could choose to use Verizon as our isp, and have mobile connectivity PLUS 2mbps when at home? I'd pay $79.99 to be able to access the internet from anywhere in Houston on my laptop since I could drop my current broadband connection. This sounds like a good thing if Verizon this time chooses to deliver on its promises. | |
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While the service is going to be more expensive than cable or DSL (79.95 per month is on the expensive side for most people.) It will be useful for those of us who like or need mobile internet access as well as something at home.
As I said about Richochet when people were complaining about it's price. This is not a DSL or cable replacement, so it will not be priced as such. -- CCNA, Comtrain Certified Tower Climber | |
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 | | Tell you who this will kill- Satellite Radio XMSR and also SIRI.
That bit rate's gotta be even higher than what XMSR and SIRI get from their dinky satellites | |
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That bit rate's gotta be even higher than what XMSR and SIRI get from their dinky satellites
How on earth will this kill XM and Sirius?
The advantage of satellite radio is NOT the bandwidth, but rather the availability of continuous coverage throughout the continental United States and parts of Canada and Mexico.
How exactly EV-DO is going to do that is what I'm confused about. | |
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If it's available, low-latency and stable, I'm there. No question. Not as fast as ADSL, but it's stable and it kicks wi-fi's ass. Totally portable. Give it up for Verizon! | |
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 |  lakinoPremium join:2003-04-03 Campbell, CA | Re: Wi-fi killer: I'm there said by Brisk: If it's available, low-latency and stable, I'm there. Totally portable. Give it up for Verizon!
low-latency... hahaha.. don't make me laugh so hard. -- Why do people like .sig files so much? Baffling to me... | |
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 MPScanPremium join:2001-08-24 Boston, MA | Use out of minutes? I currently have a Verizon plan and the Express Network with no extra charge, it just subtracts from my minutes. I don't travel frequently, so this is the best plan for me.
Are they going to setup EVDO the same way? So they you can just tack it onto your cell plan and just use minutes? Or even if they add a small $5 or $10 fee but still take usage out of minutes on the cell plan. I'l all for it.
However, if you must pay the $79 for this, I'll stick with the Express Network which for me ranges from 60k to 95k. | |
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3g slowed down a year or two ago as the economies went down, and because the companies took on massive debts buying licenses and other carriers.
The US has been behind on mobile technology, yes, but on 3g stuff, I think they are much more in sync with the rest of the world than they were before. | |
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RBC Capital Markets last Wednesday conducted a test of 20 locations in metropolitan San Diego (one of two markets where Verizon Wireless has deployed the service) and logged an average download speed of 329 kb/s, both at a standstill and while moving. Of the tests, 78% of the readings came in over 300 kb/s and some were as high as 485 kb/s, putting Verizon well within the 300 kb/s to 500 kb/s range it had advertised, said Jonathan Atkin, RBC research analyst.
We conducted the tests on the day of the launch so we were on a relatively uncongested network, Atkin said, but it proved to be very reliable and fast. If Verizon properly maintains and engineers this network, they should be able to keep these speeds easily.
[Ok, uncongested network and only downstream speeds are listed. I have heard but can't confirm that upload speeds are comparable to dialup, would appreciate it if someone has real data on that] | |
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From people I've spoken to that's the real sticking point. Upload speeds are as slow as 25-45kbps.....though they claim they're supposed to be higher.... | |
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Remember guys, its just a bunch of gained up 9.6kbps channels, so the latency is going to be still pretty high. I dont see mobile gaming or VoIP in the near future.
And no one claimed or promised that 1xRTT would work at exactly 144kbps. The estimates were 40-60kbps by carriers. An independent test recently showed that Verizon averaged no lower than 50kbps, while Sprint averaged about 80-100kbps.
And unlike EDGE or GPRS, you get your bandwidth from a much larger piece of the pie. | |
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 2 edits | Thoughts from a Monet Dealer The article above talks about Monet and its first city which is Duluth, MN.
I thought you guys might like to hear it from someone who has the service and also sells it.
The service is amazing! I'm able to GAME, UPLOAD and even surf! Most users based get speeds of 500-750Kb with peaks of over a Mb.
Service here in Duluth is $39.95 a month for unlimited access. Monet is very competitive with Cable and DSL. Another plus for Monet is that our modems are PCMCIA cards so they can be quickly moved from a desktop to a laptop and used on the road.
The network in Duluth was setup to be a mobile users network vs. what you would think of being setup as a project to cross the digital divide. We have been able to get service to users with no other options.
If you want more info see Monet's site »www.monetmobile.com | |
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The coverage is pretty good. The speeds are very slow. About the equivalent of ISDN. I guess the advantage being you can use it almost anywhere. Can we say Mobile KaZaa!! I'm getting my $80 a month worth! | |
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 | | Anyone tried SonyEricsson Z1010 on a US 3G network I like what I've read about the Sony Ericsson Z1010 mobile phone. My first SE was the T68i. I liked it so much I upgraded to the T610, which I also like. Now want to get the Z1010.
Specifically, it the Z1010 claims to be "3G ready." I'm not entirely sure what that means. It offers UMTS, GSM 1800, GSM 900. UTMS isn't the same as GSM 1900, right? Would the fact that it doesn't have GSM 1900 hinder someone using it in the US? And is UTMS the same thing as 3G?
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Your "phone" will quickly become a radio... a radio with two way capability. A radio that will know where you are.
Advertisers will be able to direct their commercials to a specific audience. You would hear a commercial, push a button on your Phone/radio and order the stuff...sell your broadcast stocks now! | |
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 |  evdo9 join:2004-06-25 Cardiff By The Sea, CA | EVDO 5220 in new cities for Mac Linux and PC Sprint and Nextel are currently experimenting with engineers to get funding. when they get funding they will have to get fcc approval. then they will have to get shareholder approval. then they will have a race against implementation curve vs obsolescence.
While Sprint and Nextel as well experiment with "skip generation" technologies. Verizon has already delivered broadband speeds to both coasts using a 5220 Sierra aircard. Just last week, We announced that Nationwide Rollout will begin immediately. I personally know that development of a 2.4mbps dsl+ wireless network has been in construction for over a a year now.
PRESS RELEASE »mac-5220-evdo-driver.netfirms.com
So if you need broadband and even 110kbps speeds nationwide right NOW, verizon is the best choice. The service is even compatible with Macintosh mac g3 g4 g5 models and Linux (linux os) based PCs.
Linux and Apple Mac evdo 5220 Driver »evdo-coverage.com -- »evdo-coverage.com Robert Kim, Verizon Direct Agent #IMACS619 972 4800 robertk@evdo-coverage.com | |
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