tshirt Premium Member join:2004-07-11 Snohomish, WA 1 edit
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tshirt
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2018-Mar-8 4:32 pm
Sometimes that's because such a rule would modestly increases highway build and sometimes you end up with rooms full of overpriced routers and billion$ in dark fiber in a series of tubes wandering endlessly underground never to be used. But pumping up bubbles is best left to wall st
It's an excellent IDEA, if only common sense could be applied. perhaps if it said "A cost estimate for this ADDITIONAL item shall be provided, and Shall be considered as part of the project approval process" Unfortunately, each time we get a bridge to nowhere, this will REQUIRE a matching "tube to nobody" perhaps at a price that Nobody doesn't want to pay.
there needs to be an exemption process explored EACH time (ie is there already massive parallel capacity available?) will the ROW today be forced to move before phase 2-3-4 -5 is complete? will the current conduit be functional useful in the time frame it is likely to be needed? is it really cheaper to 'throw it in the hole' today or should it just receive RoW today because install cost exceeds PRACTICAL current or foreseeable need. | |
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sims
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2018-Mar-8 5:23 pm
Re: Sometimes that's because such a rule would modestly increases highway buildIIUC this only requires that conduit be placed so that if at some undetermined time in the future someone decides they want to run fiber they can without having to dig up miles of road.
When they replaced the bridge near my house they had the POTS line strung along side the bridge because the county forgot to place conduit in the bridge for the line.
It stayed like that for over a year until AT&T got a contractor to bore a hole and place a conduit under the river(stream?) to replace it. | |
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tshirt
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2018-Mar-9 10:02 am
Re: Sometimes that's because such a rule would modestly increases highway buildsaid by sims:When they replaced the bridge near my house they had the POTS line strung along side the bridge because the county forgot to place conduit in the bridge for the line. So a case where if reviewed it likely would have made sense to add conduit...unless several other close by bridges already had more than enough capacity to cross the river and feed everything on this side. The assumption that all the highway project are paved shoulder to shoulder with a narrow ROW bedded in complex concrete abutments (a good case for pre placed conduit) vs many large projects in the west where the row allotted may be well off (30'-50') the side in a gravel shoulder or frontage road that could easily be "plowed" in later on. some federal hwys across the southwest (blm, native lands, sw deserts, nw forests ) go for 10's to 100's of miles as gravel road with NO gas, electric, water, or telephone...yet an ABSOLUTE "MUST HAVE" rule would force conduit? in a situation where it is more likely to get washed out than get used? If we were made of money maybe, but right now when bridges are failing (and falling) due to low funding, should EVERY project be forced to add another 1-2% and thus out of the thousands of impending life saving repair/replacements, dozens or 100's don't get funded? | |
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sims
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2018-Mar-9 11:04 am
Re: Sometimes that's because such a rule would modestly increases highway buildIn my case the bridge they tore down had conduit in place for AT&T that AT&T was using they neglected to replace it when they built the new one. They had to bore a line under the stream as it is not practical to add conduit to a bridge once already built.
For how much roads cost I have a hard time believing having to buy and place a empty plastic pipe in the road ahead of time would even end up being 1% of the road cost but maybe they are using much more expensive pipe than i'm thinking of.
Having to run around the road or dig up and replace will for sure cost several times the cost of having it done in the first place.
long runs in the desert could be useful for backhaul but I can see where that would be undesirable.
As for funding yes we really hate spending money on basic infrastructure but thinking we should put it off till later so it costs 10x more is likely part of why we have funding problems today. | |
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Anon00700
Anon
2018-Mar-10 2:23 am
Re: Sometimes that's because such a rule would modestly increases highway buildYou can add conduit to a bridge. You can attach it to the side of the bridge and itâs done everywhere. Iâve seen it done L3 owns thousands of miles of fiber like that in Ohio. | |
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sims
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2018-Mar-10 11:29 am
Re: Sometimes that's because such a rule would modestly increases highway buildI wonder why AT&T didn't do that here. | |
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tshirt
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2018-Mar-10 6:07 pm
Re: Sometimes that's because such a rule would modestly increases highway buildsaid by sims:I wonder why AT&T didn't do that here bridge clearance or aesthics. or if the entitiy that ignore an existing RoW likely had to pay the additional cost and AT&T ends up with a better bigger bore pipe NOT dependent on the bridge. a road project here vacated the frontier RoW across the street and replaced it with a second/extra space on the new poles on this side the new tier is rapidly being filled with new third part duct on the way to an existing cell tower...now a total of 10 new 3/4" ducts from 2-3 directions (everyone wants independent routes but all share common poles the last quarter/-1/10 mile. BTW there are several large contractors who specialize in building, managing, and leasing bridge RoW so someone needing a single fiber can avoid the sometimes years long attachment approval process. those that want to add a duct of their own need to work through a huge process such as this thread » [NEWS] Comcast services now available in the Rainier, OR area (after researching a bit several bridge crossing ads via google became quite persistent for a week. » bridgemastersinc.com/ | |
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Anon
2018-Mar-9 1:07 am
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Yes because digging up a road a few years later to lay conduit is so much cheaper and convenient. | |
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Re: Sometimes that's because such a rule would modestly increases highway buildI think you missed the part where he stated that it might not be needed in the future.
there needs to be an exemption process explored EACH time (ie is there already massive parallel capacity available?) will the ROW today be forced to move before phase 2-3-4 -5 is complete? will the current conduit be functional useful in the time frame it is likely to be needed? is it really cheaper to 'throw it in the hole' today or should it just receive RoW today because install cost exceeds PRACTICAL current or foreseeable need. | |
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Anon4da3d
Anon
2018-Mar-8 4:45 pm
Could be a good idea.Incumbents wouldn't play nice with one touch make ready, maybe government can level the playing ground a little. Incumbents will be able to keep the poles and maybe consumers will get ftth. Win win situation right? | |
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tito79
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2018-Mar-8 4:48 pm
Re: Could be a good idea.lots of small cities already have these rules. | |
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Anon
2018-Mar-9 10:17 am
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Only âproviderâ that had issues was Google. No other overbuilder has had issues. Hmmmm. What does that say for you. Google should play by the rules already established and hey wouldnât have issues. Or maybe if they wanted their case to work, maybe in Nashville they should have deployed on 80% of the power company owned poles instead of bitching and crying for over a year how things werenât treated fairly with them. Theyâre case is done and over with. One touch is BS designed and written by Googleâs lobbying arm- well the whole damn company since they donât really do anything nor make $$$$. | |
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LightSpan Premium Member join:2004-02-18 Lexington, KY |
been doing it for decadesWe have always placed multiple duct runs in the ground in a large city or along a federal and state roadways . Now there is a rule you can no longer do and aerial crossing of and interstate roadway . So now it takes for ever to get a permit to bore under the intestate . We are still waiting for permits going on six months !!!!!!! | |
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pende_tim Premium Member join:2004-01-04 Selbyville, DE |
Who Owns The Conduit?Great Idea! A lot less torn up roads and one lane traffic.
Ok there is this nice empty conduit along the road. Someone decides to run fiber through it. Who owns the conduit to give permission? What happens when the next someone competing with the first user needs to run along the same route? Will the first user try to block the second user over fear of "damages" to his fiber? | |
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Re: Who Owns The Conduit?I would think the lines would be openly shared | |
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Re: Who Owns The Conduit?We paid for them and the easement .We own the conduit runs . | |
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Re: Who Owns The Conduit?said by LightSpan:We paid for them and the easement .We own the conduit runs . I was asking about the empty conduit run(s) that are installed as part of a federally funded road project. Understand that if a private company pays to do a run they own it and can rent space to others. | |
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Anonf2a9a
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2018-Mar-9 10:17 am
Re: Who Owns The Conduit?Yes. Unless the state or feds higher a company to manage the conduit like NYC does with VZ. | |
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Anon
2018-Mar-9 5:58 pm
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A private company such as VZ would be hired to manage them like in NYC | |
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| LightSpan Premium Member join:2004-02-18 Lexington, KY
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We get easement rites to place conduit , we paid for said easement . We place duct runs for fiber and pull fiber through them . Some will put there equipment in our central offices in the CLEC room and lease dark fiber from us . Other companies will buy spare in our duct run and pull there own fiber . If a company gets easement to place fiber next to ours . Its get located so they don't hit it when buying their fiber . I have had to go out and repair cut fibers from contractors hitting our fiber runs . The duct run has to be repaired . Sometimes if there is a spare duct run we can pull new fiber through that and repair damaged conduit run. | |
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GTAXL
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2018-Mar-8 9:37 pm
How easy to repair?This is good, but how easy would it be to repair damaged fiber optic then? Say from a dig or from an earthquake. Also is there gonna be a mandate on how thick the conduit will be, how many fiber optic cables and different carriers will it support up to? | |
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tmc8080
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2018-Mar-10 12:57 am
years ago,they actually did trench conduit when they built the US highway system originally, that's how we ended up with some of the first cross country backbone links now enjoyed by some of the biggest tier-1 companies. | |
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