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U.S. Has No Idea How Wired For Broadband It Is
Only ten of the nation's fifty states engaged in finding out...
by Karl Bode Wednesday 23-Jul-2008
A new study (pdf) from a telecom consulting firm named Costquest finds that while thirty-nine U.S. States have something vaguely resembling a broadband plan, only ten of the nation's fifty states have undertaken a definitive broadband mapping effort. Keep in mind that several of those states have embraced the "Connected Nation model," whose real benefits remain dubious. Even fewer states
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have actually reached the point where they've started getting service into unserved areas, according to the report:

Only a select few have looked at the cost to deploy broadband in the currently unserved areas so as to provide information to encourage private capital as well as delineating the issue to determine if state assistance is needed in uneconomic areas.

With the FCC themselves generally agreeing that their own broadband statistics aren't particularly useful, the agency only just started to reform their data collection methodology after a decade of debate (and they still plan on keeping most of the data they get from carriers out of public hands). In other words, with no effective federal or state level penetration mapping, the vast majority of the country has absolutely no idea how wired for broadband it is -- and obviously you can't fix a problem you have no data on.

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ninjatutle
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Govt has better things to do

than to try to appease broadband geeks.

removed
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Houston, TX
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Re: Govt has better things to do

Like what?

pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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Mount Airy, MD

Re: Govt has better things to do

said by removed:

Like what?
Let's see:

1. Do something about $4+ a gallon gas.
2. Do something about all the food crops being wasted on fuel production.
3. Do something about the 20+ million illegal aliens infesting our country and bankrupting taxpayers.
4. Do something about the lack of new electrical generation capacity that is sorely needed in this country.

I am sure there are many more things that can be added to this list, but I think resolving the above problems are slightly more important than knowing where broadband is available.

However, I personally have solved the problem of people not knowing whether or not broadband is available in their area. Simply follow the links in the linked post and you can find out all the information you need (hopefully the links still work).

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Headtalk

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Re: Govt has better things to do

said by pnh102:

said by removed:

Like what?
Let's see:

1. Do something about $4+ a gallon gas.
Like work from home on your Broadband connection? That you dont have because you live in rural america ....
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pnh102
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Mount Airy, MD

Re: Govt has better things to do

said by Headtalk:

Like work from home on your Broadband connection? That you dont have because you live in rural america ....
That would help considering the Democrat Party is floating a proposal to raise the gas tax.

»ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hmEs···921I4TG0

Oh wait. Why would they care? They get their gas tax free as it stands now.

»www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_9964441
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CylonRed
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Bloom County
Sad part id #3 is not causing bankruptcies but the govt printing money for economic stimulus and wars is... I am sure you won't mind US farmers moving their operations to Mexico as some are already doing or paying a few bucks more per quart of strawberries or other fruit that is very labor intensive. Heck - I am even sure if there are enough legal aliens or US workers who would even take the job. Believe it or not - there are benefits to this society - that being cheap labor. Removal of cheap labor means inflation and higher costs and struggling to find workers to do those jobs.

wifi4milez
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New York, NY
said by removed:

Like what?
In all honesty, I think one of the absolute last things on the governments "to do" list should be mapping the residential broadband deployments of private companies. It serves no point whatsoever, costs taxpayers money, and would likely add to the charges telco's/ISP's include on their bills (broadband mapping fee anyone?). Unless you live under a rock, you likely know what broadband providers service your area. Assuming you live in an area with no broadband, having a map showing you that there is no broadband available is of no use at all.
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David
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said by removed:

Like what?
oh I dunno, I think improving healthcare is a good place to start.

Uncle Paul

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USA
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Re: Govt has better things to do

said by David:

said by removed:

Like what?
oh I dunno, I think improving health care is a good place to start.
Oh yea, please improve health care, they've done such a good job in stream lining all their other agencies, please take a crack at 'fixing' health care.

I can only imagine what kind of service you'd get from a industry that can't recruit enough workers now to meet demand.

NetAdmin1
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join:2008-05-22
It is a bit hard to craft, adjust or remove regulations when you have no clue about the state of the thing which you are regulating. This is why the government needs to know about the state of broadband deployment.
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ninjatutle
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Re: Govt has better things to do

They already know the blueprints of your home, type of car you drive, how much money you make, etc.

Do we really need to divulge every little thing? If it aint broke....

NetAdmin1
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Re: Govt has better things to do

said by ninjatutle:

They already know the blueprints of your home, type of car you drive, how much money you make, etc.

Do we really need to divulge every little thing? If it aint broke....
Wow, talk about going off topic.

So, in your mind, you think its better when government pass regulations without know what they are regulating. For example, how can you know if it is broke if you don't know anything about the state of broadband? You can't.
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ninjatutle
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San Ramon, CA

Re: Govt has better things to do

We don't need more regulations, that's the problem.

NetAdmin1
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Re: Govt has better things to do

said by ninjatutle:

We don't need more regulations, that's the problem.
With out fully knowing the state of broadband, how can one state that with any degree of certainty?
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EPS

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Hingham, MA
said by NetAdmin1:

It is a bit hard to craft, adjust or remove regulations when you have no clue about the state of the thing which you are regulating. This is why the government needs to know about the state of broadband deployment.
Of course, it is also difficult to regulate when you have no clue about the very thing you're regulating at all... considering how ignorant many politicans seem to be on the internet in general, one wonders what sort of "well-meaning" regulation we'd end up with...

alchav

join:2002-05-17
Palm Desert, CA
I think you are right, most Government Officials don't even know or care about Broadband. The Average Person is happy with speeds above Dial-Up, especially if they are only charged $10 or $15. So if the Average Person doesn't care about Broadband why should The Government.

45612019

join:2004-02-05
New York, NY
Pssst... how do you guys think Japan and South Korea have 100 Mbps symmetrical fiber to most homes?

I hear the government had a hand in it.

So much for that grand 'ol free market in the U.S.A. huh?

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said by ninjatutle:

than to try to appease broadband geeks.
Broadband is a precursor to business. It needs to be plentiful and cheap.

ninjatutle
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San Ramon, CA

Re: Govt has better things to do

It is plentiful and cheap. Everyone I know has it or can get it.

XBL2009
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Re: Govt has better things to do

said by ninjatutle:

It is plentiful and cheap. Everyone I know has it or can get it.
Ninjatutle: 100 megabits for $35 is Broadband and Americans don't get close to that unless they live in fios area's.

mattruby

@rr.com
Like wearing flag pins. And invading Iraq. And subsidizing oil. And giving Cheney a tap on everyone's phones.

Just because the government that *you* voted for every chance you got, the Republicans, can't do anything right (on purpose, because government is bad for their corporations), doesn't mean we the people don't create a government to protect ourselves.

You people have screwed up everything you've touched. Of course we should ignore the rest of your insistence on stopping our government from protecting our economy and our security. You're totally discredited. You owe us all an apology, not more bad advice.

jmn1207
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Ashburn, VA

Proprietary Information

To be fair, I would not expect any of the service providers to just hand out information regarding their exact footprint in the nation. It would be a competitive disadvantage if everyone could grab a map that outlined exactly what capacity was available at every location for each ISP. In fact, it might even stall rural penetration, as nobody would care to build out infrastructure in places that nobody else has taken on.

It's a bit like the 5 Guys Hamburger story. They opened their first restaurant right between a McDonald's and a Burger King. They knew that their product was superior, and they figured that both conglomerates had done extensive research about the demographics before they put up their own burger joints. Sure enough, they took in a ton of business from both previous McD and the King customers simply by utilizing the work and effort of others to find a great spot to sell hamburgers.

Extensive maps would have to come from the ISP's, and it would not be beneficial to their business to simply hand out this information to the public. A penetration map will always have some gray areas, and I don't expect that it will ever be as thorough as could be unless the government regulates it all or a monopoly arises. Neither prospect is particularly favorable, in my opinion.

karlmarx

join:2006-09-18
iraq

Re: Proprietary Information

But an extensive map would be good for the customer? Isn't that the governments job? I mean, it's BY the people, FOR the people. But let's assume the government forces all the IPS's to list everywhere they service. I could see a web site popping up, showing you EXACTLY (i.e. speed, distances, prices, competition) for your exact address. How could that possibly be 'bad' for the customer?

Granted, if you agree that the governments job is to coddle and provide welfare to the megacorp, well then, I have a horrible idea.
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jmn1207
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Re: Proprietary Information

There are a lot of things that might be beneficial to the consumer, but I don't believe it is fair to force a company to hand over proprietary information that might not be in its best interest.

We don't force each oil company to post what prices they sell gas at for each station. The people have created their own gas pricing map, based on user input, without the help of Exxon and company. And just like our broadband maps, they are not perfect. It would certainly be better for the consumer if we knew exactly how much the price of gas was in real time at all locations, but it could also be extremely beneficial to certain business competitors.

There certainly is plenty of corporate coddling going on in our government, but this is the US. All the profits that are generated and all the things it buys are generally corporate driven. Punish the corporations too much and they will go someplace else or seize to exist. We can't socialize businesses and their profits to the point where the company and the money they make won't be there anymore. We can't become overly consumer-centric, we have to find a balance. Afterall, corporations are people too, they just have more rights and protection.

karlmarx

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iraq

Re: Proprietary Information

What are you talking about? Of course we force the oil companies to post the price of gas for all their stations. But, we don't have the ability to check all the stations online, to find the cheapest. Please explain to me how having all gas stations post their prices online is BAD for the customer? I mean, an educated customer is much better than an ignorant customer, right?

The problem is that a corporation, IS NOT a person. A corporation doesn't CARE what happens to the people. Look at Exxon. 40 BILLION dollars of PROFIT last year. That's about $1400.00 of cash, from every man, woman an child in the US last year? And what did they do with all that money? They bought back their own stock and increased dividends. Did they use any of that windfall to fund alternative energy? Bah, a pittance. Did they spend any of that money to find new oil? Not..even..a...little. Did they work on ways to extract the oil from sholes? Nope.. They exist solely to take from the poor, and give to themselves, and that, of course, is the root cause of the problem with capitalism. In capitalism, you never have to say 'too much', and that is wrong on every level.
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jmn1207
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Re: Proprietary Information

said by karlmarx:

...and that, of course, is the root cause of the problem with capitalism. In capitalism, you never have to say 'too much', and that is wrong on every level.
But without capitalism and the right to do whatever you wish with your profits, it would all be a moot point. There would be little incentive to achieve and excel and most of our products and services would tend to be mediocre at best. Free markets allow for the greatest profits, which create the most tax dollars, which fund many of the social programs. Tax too much or strictly control the distribution of profits and the socialist utopia vanishes along with the desire to make that profit. Again, balance is needed.
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said by jmn1207:

To be fair, I would not expect any of the service providers to just hand out information regarding their exact footprint in the nation. It would be a competitive disadvantage if everyone could grab a map that outlined exactly what capacity was available at every location for each ISP.....
that's an extremely convenient dodge for the ISPs to use and they have in fact put forth that very reason for not wanting to provide the information.

on the other hand, if accurate broadband penetration data was available, it would be extremely easy to see that the state of broadband competition in the U.S. SUCKS!

It would show that the major cable operators rarely compete in the same area as another cableco and that the bells (at least that's still plural) rarely compete with each other. It would also show where service was not offered at all.

Neither the incumbents nor the FCC want this picture to be presented because:

1) it would show the incumbents as the monopolistic blowhards they are (competition is robust! 99% of the area codes in the U.S. have two or more providers available! etc.)

2. the FCC would actually have to do something other than spreading consumers' cheeks for the incumbents, as they are required by law to ensure a robust broadband market.

hiding the true state of lack of deployment and competition in the U.S. serves both the incumbents and the FCC's desires to not be held accountable for the failure of the broadband market in the U.S.

BF69
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Camden, TN

Connected Nation is a farce

Our state version of this has maps that are all wrong. First it list at&t as the ONLY provider in the area. Funny I'm using Charter to access this site. My best friend supposedly live in an area that broadband is available by TDS. I've called TDS there do NOT have broadband available in his area. Another friend lives in an area where the local cable company Benton County Cable provides broadband access. According to the website they live in an area with no broadband. I find it funny that cbale companies are left out of the equation and telcos are the olny source of braodband even when they aren't or don't even offer it at all.

Also the site says broadband is defined by the FCC as 200 kilobits per second even though the FCC officially changed that to 768 kbps 2 months ago. I takes all of 5 minutes to change something like that on a webpage. 2 months and they haven't changed it yet?
xenophon

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EVDO

If EVDO is considered broadband, the answer is simple. Just look at Sprint/Verizon/Alltel EVDO maps as they cover over 240 million population (and Alltel covers some large rural areas).
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Golden, CO
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Re: EVDO

Meh, EvDO sometimes doesn't cover areas where broadband is available. You gotta remember that there are lots of WiSPs that will serve ou if you have LOS to their tower so it starts getting tricky there.

But EvDO footprints are a good place to start. Though you might as well add in the pathetic blue map that is AT&T HSPA...

BF69
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Camden, TN
said by xenophon:

If EVDO is considered broadband, the answer is simple. Just look at Sprint/Verizon/Alltel EVDO maps as they cover over 240 million population (and Alltel covers some large rural areas).
we just got EVDO from Verizon in my area within the last month. Considering it only has a 5 GB cap they shouldn't count. You can't do crap with 5 GB. $256 per GB overage sucks too.
wbertram
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Allentown, PA

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Reliable Broadband Data

Seems like the coming 2010 Census would be a good way to collect some semi-reliable data on broadband deployment.

Who do you talk to to get something like that started?

Chrono

@wildblue.net

Need more expanded service!

I'm so sick of companies adding extra service to people who can already get great service.

Its not fair for people who can get a choice between cable, DSL, Wireless, or FioS, where people like me have absolutely no choice at all!

And workse of all, its affecting MY future! I have no money to live on my own [I'm only 19], and I'm struggling in college due to its high demand of broadband and my lack of it. Due to simply where I live, it is not available.

WE SHOULD HAVE NATIONWIDE BROADBAND! No matter where you live, you should be allowed to get it. Even if its a monopoly, like only one choice such as DSL
adams_aj

join:2004-08-31
Smithville, MO

Put is as a question on the next census

They have to do a census by law, every 4 years. Simply add it to the census questionaire. Granted, it won't be perfect or particularly exact, but certainly don't go to some extraordinary additional effort to gather the information.

AnonProxy
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The "report" is severly lacking

and I think it is dubious. No real data presented.

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