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U.S. Whining About 'UN Internet Takeover' Loaded With Hypocrisy
A Country That Pushes SOPA/PIPA Should Lecture Nobody
by Karl Bode Friday 22-Jun-2012 tags: business · world · content · consumers
As we noted yesterday, there has been a lot of political hot air and scare mongering about a supposed "UN takeover of the Internet" that appears to not even actually exist. What does exist is an incredibly vague mish mash of ideas ahead of a World Conference on International Telecommunications meeting that hasn't even occurred yet. That meeting will be focused on possibly modernizing an international treaty on communications overseen by the ITU.

There will of course be in attendance countries who think ICANN's governance of the Internet is too U.S. centric (something that of course terrifies U.S. business interests who like things that way), but that doesn't necessarily mean anything will seriously change. Meanwhile, the ITU has repeatedly stated they have no interest in handling Internet governance. Calling a flood of ideas in a room an attempt to "take over the Internet" -- is more than a little inane and simplistic.

So not too surprisingly, the U.S. press this week has been packed with news stories about how the United Nations is planning to take over the Internet.

That doesn't mean there aren't some bad ideas afoot given the vast number of countries involves in the conversation, though the majority will go nowhere. One of the largest proposals is being spearheaded by the European Telecommunications Network Operators (ETNO) association, and involves playing to the inane pipe dreams of international phone companies and imposing a troll toll on content companies to help subsidize phone monopolies. While there's no real debate that's a stupid plan, just as stupid has been some of the hypocrisy from the United States during this week's hand wringing over the "takeover."

It's hypocritical on several levels. One is that the ETNO is proposing the exact same ridiculous troll tolls companies like AT&T have been dreaming about for years -- the kind of "pricing creativity" half the people lambasting the UN (like FCC Commissioner Robert McDowell) would be in support of if it was an American company doing it. Second, in protesting the phantom "UN takeover" Congress (and many others) are claiming that the U.S. supports a "free and open Internet," which of course, at least to the six of us in this country not drunk on partisan patriotism and actually paying attention, couldn't be further from the truth.

The Atlantic (via Techdirt) notes the House of Representatives this week voted on an adorable and punchy little resolution taking aim at the UN, declaring that "it is essential that the Internet remain stable, secure, and free from government control." It immediately saw cozy, feel good bipartisan support (apparently here in the States hating the UN is the height of fashion) and even saw breathless support by FCC boss Julius Genachowski. But as the Atlantic points out, the United States might want to get off their high horse on that subject, since it often pushes for none of those things:

The fear that the ITU might be looking to exert greater control over cyberspace at the conference has led to a rare Kumbaya moment in US tech politics. Everyone -- left, right, and center -- is rallying around the flag in opposition to potential UN regulation of the Internet. At a recent congressional hearing, one lawmaker after another lined up and took a turn engaging in the UN-bashing. From the tone of the hearing, and the language of the House resolution, we are being asked to believe that "the position of the United States Government has been and is to advocate for the flow of information free from government control."

If only it were true. The reality is that Congress increasingly has its paws all over the Internet. Lawmakers and regulators are busier than ever trying to expand the horizons of cyber-control across the board: copyright mandates, cybersecurity rules, privacy regulations, speech controls, and much more.

Earlier this year, Congress tried to meddle with the Internet's addressing system in order to blacklist sites that allegedly infringe copyrights -- a practice not unlike that employed by the Chinese to censor political speech. The Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) may have targeted pirates, but its collateral damage would have been the very "stable and secure" Internet Congress now wants "free from government control." A wave of furious protests online forced Congress to abandon the issue, at least for the moment.

And SOPA/PIPA/CISPA is only a fraction of the great ideas the United States have had in trying to throttle, filter, cap, cripple, or otherwise derail the Internet -- usually with a focus on coddling adaptation-challenged legacy industries (phone companies, entertainment industry). If the government isn't imposing bad ideas to protect these companies, they're busily expanding surveillance powers with a palpable disdain for the rule of law. The United States might want to clean up their own back yard before lecturing the UN -- or anybody else -- on keeping the Internet free of stupid policies.

Also, before crying all week about how the UN is taking over the Internet, you might first want to confirm they're actually trying to take over the Internet.

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rdmiller

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Richmond, VA

Democracy

Politicians are trained to hold mutually contradictory positions simultaneously. Otherwise they would never collect enough campaign contributions to run for re-election. It's one of the hallmarks of our democracy.

HaloFans

join:2006-12-18

Re: Democracy

As long as people defend "corporations' rights" akin to "people's rights", your first statement will always be a clause. The rest is just derp talk as it doesn't matter if you're new to the election.

Congress is most guilty of this for all the lockouts and government shutdowns accumulated over the past 4 years. They're not interested in people.

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People are guilty of this as well. Perfect example is gas prices.

High gas prices: Blame the president.
Low gas prices: Praise the free market.

What an illogical country the US is.

Eddy120876

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Bronx, NY

Re: Democracy

HaloFans you can also add "Trickle down economy it saves the poor"...Only a bunch of wack job right wingers that believe that.
cornelius785

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Worcester, MA

Re: Democracy

Is this what is meant by "Trickle down economics"??? »filipspagnoli.wordpress.com/2009···onomics/
robxr4ti

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said by HaloFans:

As long as people defend "corporations' rights" akin to "people's rights", your first statement will always be a clause. The rest is just derp talk as it doesn't matter if you're new to the election.

Congress is most guilty of this for all the lockouts and government shutdowns accumulated over the past 4 years. They're not interested in people.

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People are guilty of this as well. Perfect example is gas prices.

High gas prices: Blame the president.
Low gas prices: Praise the free market.

What an illogical country the US is.

Actually it's: High gas prices: Blame the (Republican) President never the Democrat President.

Low gas prices: Praise the (Democrat) President
25139889

join:2011-10-25
Toledo, OH

Re: Democracy

and in this case- we still blame the Democrat President and he's not helping bring anything down. Come November and even October those prices will fall well below what they've been all year - or even the last 4 years.

CylonRed
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Your assertations did not work in the last 2 years as they DID blame the Democrat president. So much so they he released oil from reserves that never needed to be released to bring 'down' prices.
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p51d007
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WRONG!

I wish people would STOP calling the (according to the constitution) form of government in the USA a democracy. It's a constitutional republic ("and the REPUBLIC for which it stands"). We elect representatives (who are suppose) to do our bidding, but, unfortunately, they only answer to "we the people" every 2 years or 6 years, depending on the house of representatives or the senate.
The 535 idiots in DC, in my opinion, should ALL be thrown out, but, since we "technically" have term limits, it is up to us to throw them out. Do a poll, and the majority of American's think ALL politicians are crooked, but their own.
Those already IN congress, have it rigged against anyone trying to get in, but, if one retires, dies, or on the off chance isn't elected, here's pretty much how I see their first day "at school".
They are pulled into their parties leaders office and given a speech outlining how things work, and it they vote the way WE tell you to, you can have a job for life, or retire as a zillionaire in a few years.
Go against us, and we'll come up with a scandal to throw you out, or you'll find yourself swimming at the bottom of a pool.
DC, sometimes I think a nuke going off would be a good start to taking this country back from crooked politicians, lobbyist, foreign influences.
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Eddy120876

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Re: WRONG!

still a democracy even if you call it a republic since you know a democracy is where the people pick their leader

Thespis
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Re: WRONG!

said by Eddy120876:

still a democracy even if you call it a republic since you know a democracy is where the people pick their leader

Google "democracy" and get back to us. It's a democratic republic. Words have meaning...
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Eddy120876

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Re: WRONG!

So now words have meaning. Geez wiz Wally. Look do no matter what you call it still the samething. We pick our leards so thats a democracy that you call it a Republic big freaking deal you still vote for your leader. Now please go back to your political analyst job. Oh wait are you one? NO? then relax and stop watching cspan.

Thespis
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Re: WRONG!

said by Eddy120876:

So now words have meaning. Geez wiz Wally. Look do no matter what you call it still the samething. We pick our leards so thats a democracy that you call it a Republic big freaking deal you still vote for your leader. Now please go back to your political analyst job. Oh wait are you one? NO? then relax and stop watching cspan.

Yes Beave, words have meaning. Use the right words and you'll actually say what you mean instead of the stuff you posted right there...
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Automate

join:2001-06-26
Atlanta, GA

Not the UN

Our government has its share of problems but it's still miles better than the UN. We should be taking our money away from the UN not giving them more control.

Linklist
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Re: Not the UN

said by Automate:

Our government has its share of problems but it's still miles better than the UN. We should be taking our money away from the UN not giving them more control.

A US bashing editorial doesn't change the truth that what the UN wants is 10X worse than the US trying to protect copyrighted content.

Alex J

@sunwave.com.br

Re: Not the UN

Actually what the U.S. government has done (and attempted to do) goes well beyond this little ITU hare-brained scheme, so you make no sense.

Mashiki
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Re: Not the UN

Handing power to the UN is far worse, or did you notice the other day they're looking to put Syria on the human rights council. Yep...

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Agreed. The US has had some questionable ideas regarding control over the Internet (mostly going overboard on copyright, and sometimes on surveillance), but we have a lot more freedom than the rest of the world.

With UN control, all of the member states will try to get their idiotic regulations passed, whether they go overboard on copyrights, censor speech they don't like, try to redistribute wealth by placing surcharges on traffic, or whatever ridiculous nonsense that we have been able to (mostly) avoid so far. They will try to hurt the Internet overall (but they may not succeed because the UN is so grossly incompetent).

KrK
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No, it's the same. Governments interested in protecting money for big interests willing to regulate the internet and push their laws on everyone else.

The USA is one of the worst at sheer hypocrisy.
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DataRiker
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The sooner we get rid of the idea that copyrights are necessary the better.

skeechan
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Re: Not the UN

How about people just legally buy or rent the movies, books and music they want? Then you wouldn't need SOPA (not that it is needed anyway).

DataRiker
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Re: Not the UN

said by skeechan:

How about people just legally buy or rent the movies, books and music they want?

Simply human nature and convenience. Next you will be asking why people use illegal drugs too.


skeechan
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Re: Not the UN

Ah, selfishness and the entitlement mentality. Perhaps if they weren't chemically altering themselves so much they would realize that everyone else doesn't exist for their convenience.

DataRiker
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Re: Not the UN

I would consider copyrights as they exist today as more of an entitlement.

Forced artificial scarcity just doesn't work. It an economic truth and its as real as gravity.

I find the morality of creating scarcity by law rather than by an open market to be questionable at best.

An artist has a scarce tool at his disposal, its called a live performance. The horror!

SureOk

@bellatlantic.com

Re: Not the UN

said by DataRiker:

An artist has a scarce tool at his disposal, its called a live performance. The horror!

And when people secretly record the concert and then release it to the tubes?

DataRiker
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Re: Not the UN

said by SureOk :

said by DataRiker:

An artist has a scarce tool at his disposal, its called a live performance. The horror!

And when people secretly record the concert and then release it to the tubes?

Totally missed the point.

You can't pirate the experience of being AT a live performance IN PERSON.

dslcreature
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Whining about whining

No Congress please ignore this article and go after the UNs insane ideas. You can work and clear the debris from your backyard at the same time. No need to wait.

Having sat thru hearing on this topic contradictions raised here were not lost on all present.

David
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I say give it to the UN

Give it to them. Let them deal with it.

veloslave
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Re: I say give it to the UN

What do you say with a gun to your head???

"Pull the trigger... let's see what happens"

Name one thing the UN has done right or done a good job with...?

No matter what our issues are here in the good old USA.... there is no way we could screw up the WWW as bad as the UN.

The UN ruins everything and needs to be done away with.
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fifty nine

join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ
kudos:2

Know who's on your side

It's not the democrats, who will sell you down the river to please their masters in Hollywood and the music industry.

They supported SOPA and PIPA the most. Yes, a few Republicans supported it to the end but true conservatives realized this was more about freedom than anything else.

Know who's on your side, and it's clearly not the democrats.
WernerSchutz

join:2009-08-04
Sugar Land, TX

Re: Know who's on your side

IT IS NOT THE DEMOCRATS MORE THAN REPUBLICANS.

Both parties are after restricting freedoms and screwing over the average individual for the profit of multinational corporations governed by the rich that are above the law.

Quit blaming one or the other, kick BOTH the fuck out. Stop the wars.

fifty nine

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Re: Know who's on your side

Bullshit.

The democrats are and have always been control freaks.

The democrats OPPOSED the civil rights act of 1964 (filibustered by Sen Robert Byrd) and absolutely supported SOPA and PIPA.

Hollywood and the music industry are some of the democrat party's biggest donors!

pnh102
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Hypocrisy? So What?

Yes, SOPA and PIPA suck and it was wrong to try to push them.

It is still wrong for the UN to be more involved the day to day running of the Internet.

Being on the wrong side of one issue doesn't make opposing the second position to be the wrong thing to do.
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ARGONAUT
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poppycock!

The UN takeover of the Internet is 100% bullshite. The only people who believe that are n00bs.

We have had war criminals in the white house that are still walking free without any fear of arrest. The UN is a paper tiger.

Stop watching Fox News. You'll be better informed not knowing anything.
pinjas

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River Falls, WI

What counts

Will any of this matter when we get long range directional and omni-directional mesh networking going?

Jack_in_VA
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No UN

If it's something concerning the UN then we should run the other way.

In fact we should withdraw from the UN. Stop funding anything associated with it and kick them out of the country.
russotto

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West Orange, NJ

Could do worse than the US

If the UN had control of the Internet, SOPA's equivalent would have simply happened. No public vote, no protest, just a new regulation handed down one day (after a significant cash payment to a UN bureaucrat, of course).

Yeah, the US has really gone downhill on civil rights. But most other countries had a really good head start down that hill.

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Hmmm, UN's latest scheme for a global tax

The only government entity/organization I trust less than the Federal Government is the US.

While the ITU has done fine with standards like telephone, this would just be a taxing scheme. For years the UN has been looking for a way to create a global tax, and this is just the latest scheme. Of course they won't admit it, but that is what it is.

Karl says we shouldn't listen to a country that came up with SOPA. I'm more concerned about an organization that puts Israel #1 in human rights violations, US #4, while Iran, China and Somalia tie 7th. The UN is nothing but a corrupt, US bashing, "gimmie your money", dictator club any more and they need to be defunded, not given even the slightest control over Internet governance.

If you want more international say, there should be a separate consortium, just like there is the G20 and members have to abide by certain rules and disputes are settled among members.
dreadpirate

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Unbiased Analysis

"least to the six of us in this country not drunk on partisan patriotism"

Aren't we lucky to have a forum like broadband reports to give us a totally unbiased analysis. Maybe that's why I visit this site so often.
BenWah

join:2006-02-22

Spare us

This is the dumbest article I have ever seen posted on this website.

US bashing and UN worshipping nonsense.

You should be ashamed

ctceo
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It's not just the government

The human complacency factor plays a HUGE role in why things don't change. Give them no resistance or little and they will take as much as they think they want.

This video in sort of a way covers this topic well:

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCRKvDyyHmI
old_wiz_60

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Hypocrisy..

has become a trademark of the U.S. Government, period.
sonofsmog

join:2003-09-09
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UN Oversight = Lame

The UN? Your joking right?

No disrespect intended to our European friends, but freedom of speech is a joke overseas and so is freedom of the Internet.

Anybody who reads torrentfreak daily knows that websites are routinely censored in England, Scandinavia, France, etc. Here in the good ol U S of A. I can still access the pirate bay by typing in the proper URL. Geez.
sparks

join:2001-07-08
Little Rock, AR

Re: UN Oversight = Lame

WHAT????
you mean we will have to bribe more than just us politicians to stomp on everyone ????

ps just a FYI this is a republic NOT A DEMOCRACY
show me one word about democracy with the founding fathers EXCEPT where they said IT ISNT
upb
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Did BBR actually PAY for this article?

They got ripped off if they did.

GNH
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UNneeded

The United Nations is an empty suit. Worthless. In a way, that is good, because their dysfunctional nature will continue to confound them; even their sideline supporters.

Successful and truly effective control of the Internet by a cabal such as the UN is a pipe dream. Those foolish enough to try it will quickly come face to face with the facts.

Good for me, good for you.

glyder

@centurytel.net

Re: UNneeded

i hope your right about the empty suit part.but these evil bastards will probably gain authority sooner or later.the republic is over.has been for a while.

GNH
tolle causam
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Re: UNneeded

Yeah, I hope I'm right, too. Looking pretty dire, lately.

piracy is not going anywhere

its always been here and will always be here, in one form or another

you lock it down, we unlock it for all, and free
mworks

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We need the constitution amended !

One thing that people really need to get behind is an amendment to the constitution placing US laws and rights above any international laws. The way it works right now , if a treaty were to be passed in the UN then it takes precedence over all US laws and has to go to the supreme court to be over turned when it shouldn't be allowed in the first place. The Bricker Amendment would fix it where the USA laws are 1st in any international laws and the supreme court wouldn't be involved. Unfortunately it has not passed in the several times it has been put up for a vote. Why anyone would not want the USA laws put before international laws is scary when they are supposed to be US politicians.

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bricker_Amendment

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