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Premium
join:2000-10-13
Saint Louis, MO
clubs: | Cool! I just submitted this as news, good timing Karl!
Would prefer it was available to non-uverse as well, but at least it's a start in the right direction... | |
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ztmike
1kwikgt
Premium
join:2001-08-02 | Re: Cool! So they added 4 mbps...not ground breaking at ALL. and the upload is pretty much the same..
At&t you fail! | |
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bogey
@mycingular.net | Re: Cool! Pretty much the same? You mean they increased it by 50% (or 150% of previous max..pota-to/potah-to) and that's still not good enough? | |
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factchecker
@cox.net | Re: Cool! After all the overhead, you go from being able to upload at around 880-900kbps to around 1200-1250kbps... Not that big of a difference. | |
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Premium
join:2007-08-15
Austin, TX
 ·AT&T U-Verse
 ·AT&T Southwest
| Re: Cool! said by factchecker :
After all the overhead, you go from being able to upload at around 880-900kbps to around 1200-1250kbps... Not that big of a difference.
Not that big of a difference? Seems big to me. For example, I have AT&T DSL Elite at 768k rated, and I peak at about 560Kbits actual data speed. That's 70Kbytes/sec. So a 20 megabyte upload takes 285 seconds or 4 3/4 minutes. If I could double my upload speed to 1.5M rated, presumably I'd halve my upload time to about 2 1/2 minutes. | |
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factchecker
@cox.net
| Re: Cool! said by MyDogHsFleas  :Not that big of a difference? Seems big to me. Objectively speaking, based entirely on the numbers, not all that big.
Subjectively speaking, based on user perceptions, it might be big. | |
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veloslave
Geek For God
Premium
join:2003-07-11
Pleasant Hill, CA | Re: Cool! Based on you have 25 to start with... and then big brother tells you how much of and when/where you can use it.........
Same old pachell
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join:2004-03-19
Covington, LA
| So if speed is 1Mb/s and the increase in speed is to 1.5Mb/s then the ratio of 50% increase will filter on through to the new speed.
Or in other words the increase speed suffers the same overhead increase and the changes in actual speed change directly proportional. They boost the set speed by 50% and the actual speed will be boosted by 50%. | |
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factchecker
@cox.net | Re: Cool! In theory, yes, those numbers work out. However, once one works out the effects of overhead, the change in effective throughput is hardly significant. | |
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join:2004-03-19
Covington, LA | Re: Cool! So in theory 1200kb/s is no more than 800kb/s. So why bother ever increasing speed?
Wanna rethink that? | |
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jgkolt
Premium
join:2004-02-21
Lakewood, OH
clubs:
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January 23rd, @01:33PM
| it is groundbreaking since its a dedicated connection and shouldn't fluctuate much at all. my 15 mbps time warner on the 15 mbps tier fluctuated from 2mbps to 18.5 mbps before i got rid of them. with uverse i get a steady 6.5 to 6.7 mbps internet everytime on a 6mpbs tier. What will be nicer is when you can have 2 hd streams and more sd streams.
Oh and my rg is connecting at around 60mbps
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nobody2000455
@att.com
| Re: Cool! yeah your max user rate is at 60000 but your actually recieving or allowed 25216 as a whole now. years from now you'll recieve the whole 60000 or can i say 55000 depending on how far away from the vrad you are (we hope). the closer the better. it looks like your close if your recieving 60000. your four streams only uses about 15000mb (i think)  and the rest is saved for internet. which you can now max out at around 10000.  can i say wireless n reciever (i sure home so). :P it will help out with there crazy install times. | |
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| Joe12345678
join:2003-07-22
Des Plaines, IL | will U-verse user with fiber to the home be able to get even higher speeds? | |
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digitalfreak
Frodo failed. Bush has the ring
join:2005-12-09
49533 | Re: Cool! No, though the fiber would obviously support it. | |
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join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
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January 23rd, @10:03AM
| said by Joe12345678 :will U-verse user with fiber to the home be able to get even higher speeds? U-verse doesn't have fiber to the home - they run the fiber to those big, ugly cabinets that occasionally explode, then use legacy copper from cabinet to home. I think they keep max. copper run to 1000 ft, but that's what limits the speed. Users closer than 1000 ft can get faster speeds (up to 100Mbps if real close).
U-verse is a copper/fiber kludge cause ATT too cheap to run fiber all the way to home. | |
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join:2001-02-11
Cedarburg, WI | Re: Cool! Not true. | |
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join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
·Comcast
| Re: Cool! said by carpdiem :Not true. my bad. guess I haven't kept up close enuf with U-verse. I can't get it, don't expect to get it and wouldn't want it anyway (unless it's the fttp).
the fiber/copper is still a kludge and the 3000' limit would appear to make it worse, even if they are channel bonding. this type of system will always be catching up to fiber, just like cable will. | |
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join:2006-05-14
San Antonio, TX | Actually new builds are getting fiber. So probably about 5% of uverse is FTTP from the start. The install limit is back to around 3000 feet right now. | |
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gaforces
United We Stand, Divided We Fall
join:2002-04-07
Santa Cruz, CA
·Cruzio Internet
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January 23rd, @10:38AM
| Re: Cool! So what do they do for people over 3,000 ft? Are they putting new boxes in?
The way their network topography is here now, they have a box around every 10,000 ft in my town.
I am at 9000 ft.
Would I lose my ISP since they are reselling ATT circuits? | |
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join:2006-05-14
San Antonio, TX
| Re: Cool! This is going to 3000 from the new boxes they are putting in now. They are going to go with pair bonding sometime this year and I assume that that will basically double the distance they can reach. They are delivering a 25/2 profile now on a single pair at 3000 feet, so I think it is safe to assume they could deliver the same profile at 6000 feet with 2 pairs. | |
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gaforces
United We Stand, Divided We Fall
join:2002-04-07
Santa Cruz, CA
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January 23rd, @11:11AM
| Re: Cool! Ic, looks like they are leaving the old boxes intact.
Not that I have to worry about it, they don't look to have any plans for deployment here.
They try to sell me ATT satellite dish when I check on their site. | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| No, Uverse VRADs DO NOT generate any POTS signal. All POTS customers will still get their service how they used to. When you order Uverse, they go into your local cross connect box (a VRAD will always be next to one), take your line running from whatever legacy POTS generator (Pairgain, Remote Terminal, CO) you used before, send it into the VRAD, VRAD has a filter to stop VDSL from going back to the CO/Remote Terminal, and then the VRAD returns the line back to the cross connect box, then the pair goes to your home. They simply feed the line through the VRAD. When you unsubscribe from Uverse, your line will be cut out of the VRAD, as to not waste a VDSL modem slot inside it.
This isn't like a traditional RT installs where suddenly one day you get a letter saying your non-Incumbant DSL service will end on such and such day, thanks for being a customer, goodbye, since you loose having a plain copper pair going back to the central office, and CLECs usually never put/can't put their equipment in the RT, which is the "end" of your copper pair now. | |
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Premium
join:2007-08-15
Austin, TX
·AT&T U-Verse
·AT&T Southwest
| Re: Cool! said by patcat88 :No, Uverse VRADs DO NOT generate any POTS signal. ...(snip)... Outstanding explanation! I now understand exactly how RT, CO, POTS, and VRADs work together. Thanks for the enlightenment!!
Let me amplify on my situation. I have two pairs coming into my house. Pair 1 has POTS + AT&T DSL (Elite). Pair 2 used to have POTS but now has nothing. There is a VRAD two blocks from me. I am Uverse eligible.
If I sign up for U-verse, what I'd like to do is to keep my current DSL in parallel with U-Verse Internet (VDSL). Then I can try it out and see if it works for me. (I'm concerned about latency, and how well it supports my VoIP service). This will leave me free to cancel U-verse with no financial penalty if VDSL Internet is not satisfactory. Or, if I choose to jump, I can cancel the DSL. In any case I'd probably cancel the TV portion of U-verse.
Could I accomplish this by simply keeping my current Pair 1 with POTS and DSL, and having them cross-connnect Pair 2 to the VRAD and run my U-verse over that pair?
Would the AT&T billing and provisioning systems be able to deal with that? | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| Re: Cool! ATT will terminate your existing ATT ADSL service if you goto Uverse, says in their TOS they can force change the delivery technology of anything they offer if its free to you. Also, in reality, you cant have 2 DSL technologies on the same pair. If your going to get a seperate line for Uverse, possibly yes then, not sure if ATT allows 2 DSL/2 HSI accounts to same address, or if you will have to play the "make APTs at your single family house" trick. Also if your have CLEC DSL right now, ATT will refuse to give you Uverse b/c of legal and technical reasons I THINK. | |
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Korkenzieher
@ameritech.net
| I'm a central office tech for AT&T, formerly worked in the business office, and I think we'd screw it up trying to do as you suggest. You might try turning up a second POTS line on your second pair, then later calling to install your new U-Verse in association with your new POTS. This wouldn't have to affect your existing DSL. In other words, make sure you have a second POTS in service, or they'll mess up your existing DSL to give you U-Verse. | |
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gaforces
United We Stand, Divided We Fall
join:2002-04-07
Santa Cruz, CA | Thanks for the info. | |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | In my area, the VRAD's are approximately every 2 city blocks. They're --
Canada = Hollywood North | |
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bogey
@mycingular.net | You post here often enough that you know that to not be true. | |
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OSUGoose
join:2007-12-27
Columbus, OH
clubs:
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 ·Cingular Wireless
·Verizon BroadbandA..
·RoadRunner Cable
| First off, before you blatenly flame AT&T, do some research. AT&T does have FTTP, mostly in new build areas. However, it is treated like its copper/DSL market to "provide a consistant experience" to all users. U-Verse is just the markiting term used for AT&T's FTTP/FTTN services, just like FiOS is Verizons marketing term.
Second The distance limits are a lil longer than that, last i herd 2-3,000 Ft From VRAD, If it was 1,000 feet, at&t would go bankrupt deploying that many VRADs.
The better question to be asking instead, is how are the accomplishing this, pair bonding? decating a lil more speed to internet from the TV portion? | |
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digitalfreak
Frodo failed. Bush has the ring
join:2005-12-09
49533
| Re: Cool! said by OSUGoose :First off, before you blatenly flame AT&T, do some research. AT&T does have FTTP, mostly in new build areas. However, it is treated like its copper/DSL market to "provide a consistant experience" to all users. U-Verse is just the markiting term used for AT&T's FTTP/FTTN services, just like FiOS is Verizons marketing term. Second The distance limits are a lil longer than that, last i herd 2-3,000 Ft From VRAD, If it was 1,000 feet, at&t would go bankrupt deploying that many VRADs. The better question to be asking instead, is how are the accomplishing this, pair bonding? decating a lil more speed to internet from the TV portion? Well, he is mostly right.
U-verse doesn't have fiber to the home *THERE ARE SOME FTTP INSTALLS* - they run the fiber to those big, ugly cabinets that occasionally explode *TRUE* , then use legacy copper from cabinet to home *TRUE*. I think they keep max. copper run to 1000 ft *MORE LIKE 3000-4500ft, IIRC*, but that's what limits the speed. Users closer than 1000 ft can get faster speeds (up to 100Mbps if real close).
U-verse is a copper/fiber kludge cause ATT too cheap to run fiber all the way to home.*SORRY, BUT THIS IS 100% TRUE AND UNDISPUTABLE* | |
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Gilitar
join:2000-11-20
Mobile, AL
·AT&T Southeast
| Where is the value? $55!!!! You have to be kidding. AT&T is not competitive at all. Look at what most cable companies are offering.... 10Mbps+ for around $45. AT&T has decided to save itself and shareholders a nickel now by implementing poor technology only to cost it's customers big in the long run.
Value.... yeah right! | |
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digitalfreak
Frodo failed. Bush has the ring
join:2005-12-09
49533
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January 23rd, @09:47AM
| Pew-Verse, no thanks Would rather have this through my DSL account. No way I'm being forced to buy into Pew-Verse TV just to get this. | |
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MarkyD
Premium
join:2002-08-20
Oklahoma City, OK
clubs: | wow... Improvement is welcome and all, but I was totally expecting the 10mbps tier to take the "elite" price bracket. So much for that...I get 15/1 for 42.95 a month, without any bundles.
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join:2006-01-28
Cedar Park, TX
·AT&T U-Verse
| Re: wow... I've been trying for 2+ weeks now to get an answer from AT&T on switching my FTTP Legacy Elite to FTTP U-Verse Eliete. They quoted me a price of $40/mo ala cart and $100 install with $50 rebate but no one knows how to place the order or return my calls. Same problem with the Direct forum.
My only hope is this causes TWC to increase their speeds in my area because I am so friggin done with AT&T I'm out of here very, very soon. Just like you. | |
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removed
I'm the bobblehead
Premium,VIP
join:2002-02-08
Houston, TX
clubs:
| said by MarkyD :Improvement is welcome and all, but I was totally expecting the 10mbps tier to take the "elite" price bracket. So much for that...I get 15/1 for 42.95 a month, without any bundles. Me too. I was pretty excited about this until I saw the bigger price tag.
Fuck it, I'm not signing up. 6mbps will have to do. | |
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Neyland85
join:2003-02-04
North Augusta, SC | Multiple HD Streams How 'bout it ATT? | |
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join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
·Comcast
| Re: Multiple HD Streams said by Neyland85 :How 'bout it ATT? only if they compress the hell out of them or you are real close to cabinet. you can always give up your 6 (or 10)Mbps broadband bandwidth for another stream.
"Jr., get off the damn internet, your mom wants to watch a show upstairs" | |
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join:2000-07-05
Greensboro, NC
| Re: Multiple HD Streams said by nasadude :only if they compress the hell out of them or you are real close to cabinet. you can always give up your 6 (or 10)Mbps broadband bandwidth for another stream. Once again not true like your nonsense in the the previous post. | |
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join:2002-01-17
Dallas, TX
| Re: Multiple HD Streams said by Cod :said by nasadude :only if they compress the hell out of them or you are real close to cabinet. you can always give up your 6 (or 10)Mbps broadband bandwidth for another stream. Once again not true like your nonsense in the the previous post. Nasadude is right and you are wrong!
Here are some pictures taken from uverse's glorious HD streams. The closeup picture (1/10th of the whole screen in a 40inch Sony XBR5 in freeze mode) is from the Matrix revolutions during high action scenes. Dark scenes are worse.
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MarkyD
Premium
join:2002-08-20
Oklahoma City, OK
clubs:
·Cox HSI
·AT&T FTTP
·AT&T DSL Service
| Re: Multiple HD Streams said by etaadmin :said by Cod :said by nasadude :only if they compress the hell out of them or you are real close to cabinet. you can always give up your 6 (or 10)Mbps broadband bandwidth for another stream. Once again not true like your nonsense in the the previous post. Nasadude is right and you are wrong! Here are some pictures taken from uverse's glorious HD streams. The closeup picture (1/10th of the whole screen in a 40inch Sony XBR5 in freeze mode) is from the Matrix revolutions during high action scenes. Dark scenes are worse. » i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj31···7/C3.jpg» i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj31···7/C2.jpg» i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj31···7/C1.jpg I experienced this same issue on UVERSE via FTTP. The HD quality was downright unacceptable. | |
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join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD | thanks for gettin' my back etaadmin.
Cod - try googling uverse+compression and check out the results. | |
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DaneJasper
Sonic.Net
Premium,VIP
join:2001-08-20
Santa Rosa, CA
clubs:
| As predicted - a little bump This is exactly what I predicted would happen (in my article here: »corp.sonic.net/blog/2008/01/08/s···-anyway/ ). AT&T is going to slowly bump the speed to match or slightly beat the prevailing speed that cable offers - but they're never going to open up the pipe to let users do what users want to do with it!
It's all designed to prevent Internet delivery of entertainment (HD video) content. See the article for my case for this. We need a real competitive broadband environment in the US to remedy these problems!
-Dane | |
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Dawn
@sbcglobal.net
| Door2Door Uverse-DFW Recruiting ad for third party Uverse door to door sales:
We are a contractor to AT&T Uverse Fiber Optic system, DISHNETWORK, DIRECTV. We are seeking outside salespeople who are wanting to make above $1000.00 per week income. This is the newest product that is offered by AT&T. We deal with AT&T customers and non-customers. AT&T is openinmg new territory every week for the Uverse system. Also sell Dishnetwork & Directv for us and double yours pay. If you are willing to work at least 30 hours per week you can earn above $1000.00 per week. For more information on this great opertunity and possible consideration then call 512-xxx-xxxx
That's a lot of commission! It's interesting to note how these outside sales companies aren't selling one product exclusively. Instead, they sell for their clients competitors too! | |
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Factchecker
@cox.net | Re: Door2Door Uverse-DFW You absolutely have to LOVE the fact that the recruiting ad is full of typos... | |
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Dawn
@sbcglobal.net
| ATT Makes Salesmen Productive for Embarq, TW, DirecTV, Verizon Can't resist providing one more ad for UVerse sales:
Date: 2007-12-12, 11:48PM CST
AT&T U-Verse IPTV Sales
NEED EXPERIENCE OUTSIDE SALES REPS FOR NEW AT&T UVERSE LAUNCH - Experience preferred but NOT required. We will train the best individuals in our acclaimed training program!
We are looking for candidates for the new AT&T U-verse Fiberoptic product Launch who are Energetic, have a Good Attitude, and a Desire to win. C4 Connections is a nationwide sales contracting company that have been providing high quality, professional marketing and contracting services to the telecommunications, cable and energy industries for a number of years. We train our representatives to become successful salespeople and productive members of society.
The compensation is paid weekly and based on sales results from the week prior and we have sales people earning a minimum of $1000 to over $2000 a week. We are rapidly expanding this year in many markets with AT&T, Verizon, Sprint/Embarq, Frontier, Time Warner, DirecTV, and New Wave! We believe on promoting from within. This is a cookie cutter sales opportunity for financial freedom. We will be selling AT&T'S NEW TV, INTERNET AND VOICE products & services to existing AT&T customers. This is there new fiber product and is the best of the best for residential products. Therefor I am looking for the best of the best sales reps that are the best in their respective fields. If you are interested please email me with you contact info and we can set a time to discuss in more detail. I look forward to speaking with you. I NEED ACCOUNT AGENTS BY DECEMBER 15th SO PLEASE ONLY REPLY IF YOU ARE READY TO START MAKING MONEY TODAY AND ARE LOOKING FOR A CAREER ORIENTED OPPORTUNITY!
Look at these websites as a reference.
»https://uverse1.att.com/launchAMSS.do
A.J. SXXXX
Branch Sales Manager
(469) XXX-XXXXC4 Connections is owned by former Charter Cable executives, two of whom served one-year federal prison sentences for their criminal conduct at Charter. How ironic that they are now profiting from ATT. | |
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maartena
Obama 2008
join:2002-05-10
Orange, CA
| I'm still 11000 ft from the DSLAM in the CO.... ....and my house won't magically move closer.
So as long as they don't come up with DSL technologies that actually work over longer distances, i am sticking with my 10/1 cable connection from roadrunner.
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Mr Anon
@chcgil.ameritech
| 10/1.5... I can live with that. That sounds great, its way better than the 1.5/384 DSL I have now and will feed any Obsession I foster with Watch it now.
Now... just launch in my area DARN IT! Rumors are that it will happen next week, I can only hope. I'd love to have this service over comcast and I hope if I move it will be available there too. | |
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allgold
join:2005-03-26
East Lansing, MI
·AT&T Midwest
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January 23rd, @01:40PM
| 10/1.5 The extra speed is nice but the extra cost is not.
$20/month more than the current Elite tier? No thanks.
If I wanted to pay $55/month for internet, I would switch back to Comcast, which because of Powerboost generally would be faster. | |
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MarkyD
Premium
join:2002-08-20
Oklahoma City, OK
clubs: | "faster speeds based on VRAD distance" I wonder if this means that the FTTP people will get 100mbps?  Yeah right.
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progress?
This sucks. I can't wait to move out of hick-country.
