  MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 |  Time Warner's Response?
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join:2004-01-29
Knightdale, NC | Re: Time Warner's Response? Are you kidding? TWC is not onlt arrogant but the bully on the block. They will CRY just like they did when the City of Wilson created their own fiber network GREENLIGHT. I can't figure out why the triangle isn't completely fiber. Kudos and GOOD LUCK. I hope they bust TWC's chops!!!! GO AT&T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | |
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| Re: Time Warner's Response? People said the same thing when U-Verse came to Toledo. I can drive around the City all day and never see any ATT truck at anyones house getting U-Verse.
Buckeye is still keeping their customers. Local support and offices win over more channels. Especially when it comes down to if the tech support person speaks English or not. | |
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| | | I want to see what TWC will do in response before making my decision. When I had TWC install my triple play in my current residence it cost me over $450 and took them a good 4-6 hours to do the install (new behind the wall cable runs). I don't want to go though that kind of trouble again only to find that a week after switching to U-verse, TWC offers 20/2 or something similar.
I still doubt that TW will increase speeds into the realm that I would hope to see them offer. They have always historically not only matched but exceeded offers from AT&T/Bellsouth on the download side, and usually match the upstream. I'd love to see them offer 10/1 or 20/2, or something along those lines... They seem to offer similar speeds in other area's across the country, so why not here? Do we just not deserve it or something? | |
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| |  MrMoodyFree range slavePremium
join:2002-09-03
Smithfield, NC | Re: Time Warner's Response? said by RR User :
I still doubt that TW will increase speeds into the realm that I would hope to see them offer. They have always historically not only matched but exceeded offers from AT&T/Bellsouth on the download side, and usually match the upstream. I'd love to see them offer 10/1 or 20/2, or something along those lines... They seem to offer similar speeds in other area's across the country, so why not here? Do we just not deserve it or something? Embarq offers 10/896 in their territory (here) and that never seemed to bother them.
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| | | | | Re: Time Warner's Response? True, but U-verse poses more of a threat to TWC, as they offer triple play over their incumbent network. | |
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| | | Re: Install on the 20th Make sure you get more than 1 HD Stream. I had AT&T at my place today to install U-verse and politely sent them packing because they could only provide ONE HD stream. If you're close enough to their gear you may be OK, but if your far enough way like I am (3500 ft) don't count on watching HD if you;'re recoding HD. I was really looking forward to U-Verse too. :~( | |
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| | must be nice... ...to live where there is actual broadband competition. | |
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| MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | Re: must be nice... said by nasadude:...to live where there is actual broadband competition. 2 choices equals competition? I guess in the strictest sense it is ... but Time Warner and AT&T definitely love their cozy duopoly.
The Raleigh/Durham/Chapel Hill area is one of the most affluent/technology-savvy areas in the country and their choices are Road Runner at a laughable 7Mbps/384Kbps or, finally, U-Verse.
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| | | | Re: must be nice... it's better than the 1 choice I have.
I live in the Washington DC metro area in Maryland. | |
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| | fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3 | Yea.. 2 choices equals competition.. better than 3 or 4 where you wind up with 2 of them going bankrupt.
Time to stop living in a utopia, wake up, and smell the roses. This desire to have so many choices in broadband only means disaster in the long run. The system does NOT support having that many providers.
And I beg to differ about Raleigh/Durham/Chapel Hill as being one of the most affluent/technology savvy areas in the country. Seriously, where are you getting that?
Money doesn't always equate savvy. Been there, lived there, glad to get out of there, ...can't agree with you at all. | |
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| | | MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | Re: must be nice... said by fiberguy:Yea.. 2 choices equals competition.. better than 3 or 4 where you wind up with 2 of them going bankrupt. Time to stop living in a utopia, wake up, and smell the roses. This desire to have so many choices in broadband only means disaster in the long run. The system does NOT support having that many providers. And I beg to differ about Raleigh/Durham/Chapel Hill as being one of the most affluent/technology savvy areas in the country. Seriously, where are you getting that? Money doesn't always equate savvy. Been there, lived there, glad to get out of there, ...can't agree with you at all. Disaster in the long run? Right, because things are working so well right now, correct? We're much better off than we were around 1998 when Time Warner and Bellsouth had to share their lines.
When did you live there, 1902? You do realize that Duke, UNC Chapel-Hill, and N.C. State are all in that area, not to mention the Research Triangle Park (»www.rtp.org/main/) which is the East Coast home to every major tech and pharmaceutical company in the world. I suggest you look at Page 3 and then the last two pages of this: »www.rtp.org/files/info@rtp/2008_···1608.pdf
If you don't want to read all that, here's a nice listing of just the companies there: »www.rtp.org/files/Maps/2008_rtp_···1408.pdf | |
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| | | | fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3 | Re: must be nice... Disaster, yes. Because we all know that Utopia in Utah did so well. We know that all these over builders are just rolling the the dough. We know that the cost to build and deploy a delivery system is just pennies on the dollar to pay for and we know that people are just chomping at the bit to spread the wealth so thin that recouping the cost of deployment in a highly competitive market is nearly impossible and often spells bankruptcy, a merger, or a sale to the very people they tied to compete with.
But, since you live in such an incredibly savvy area, you'd know that already, right?
That small area with research, which I'm well aware of, thank you, is but one small fish in a large pond. Its funny how everyone that wants to be proud of their town says they're the best when they never venture out to look at the rest of the country and see where the majority of what they think they have the best or most of, really is. I don't say that the RD area doesn't have research there, it does.. but to say its the best or tech savvy.. you're talking about industry.. that area also has some of the worst crime and large amount of poverty to go along with it, or have you not come out of your area to realize that?
Maybe the area is known for some research, but maybe it's not known for its business savvy. Or maybe you just don't realize it.
The game isn't about you and any particular person and what speed they want to surf MySpace, ebay, and Torrents at.. it's about having an honest system that can be sustained in OUR markets and OUR economy... not some other countries, not some "vision" of what it should be, nor where you think it should be.
In the end, its about surviving the incredible horrible economy we are in right now and pushing out 50megs to the house really isn't on the top of everyone's list knowing that people aren't spending the money, the consumer that is, who's spending makes up about 65% of the national budget.
On a final note.. who cares about 1998 and TWC and Bell South.. News flash.. NO ONE HAS MONEY TO SPEND RIGHT NOW! ..and broadband to your home, and competition, and the sorts, are not really on the top of the list of problems that need to be addressed at this time. Maybe it's yours, and people's here, but in the big picture, this is way so not even close to important right now. Businesses are just looking to survive and make it past this mess. What's in the budgets now is likely what you will see being spent, but if things don't improve, expect that new deployments are likely to slow for a while to come. | |
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join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | Re: must be nice... While I appreciate the effort you put into your response, I find it incredibly biased, myopic, and full of accusations and assumptions, so I won't even bother to reply to any of the points you raised. It's pretty obvious you'd just make further outlandish assumptions and steer the subject away from any conversation based in an objective reality. | |
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join:2005-05-20
kudos:3 | Re: must be nice... You betchya! | |
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| said by fiberguy:... This desire to have so many choices in broadband only means disaster in the long run. The system does NOT support having that many providers... the car industry must be suffering from the same problem. | |
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join:2005-05-20
kudos:3 | Re: must be nice... said by nasadude:said by fiberguy:... This desire to have so many choices in broadband only means disaster in the long run. The system does NOT support having that many providers... the car industry must be suffering from the same problem. You ARE joking with that one, right?!
The American auto industry has nothing to do with broadband. It's much to do with union bosses getting someone that puts wheel lug-nuts on for 80K a year with full medical benefits paid, for starters. Compare GM with Toyota - same number of cars sold, only one company is billions in debt, and the other is billions in worth. Don't be silly.. and also stop thinking that everything in the world compares to broadband.
The auto industry has plenty of room for the competition that it does. You have buyers that can come from all over to make a choice, and even buy more than one. In broadband, it's one home, one account, one provider..
I could continue to squash this notion, but I'm not sure its necessary. | |
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Raleigh-Durham usually ranks near the top in Internet usage in the country. FYI- I worked for a Silicon Valley company that launched it's online business there because of this. | |
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kudos:3 | Re: must be nice... What does a PHD and internet usage have to do with each other? I can show you people with doctrines degrees and they are still stuck using AOL because its all they know. | |
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join:2004-02-23
Johnson City, TN
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| said by Matt:said by nasadude:...to live where there is actual broadband competition. 2 choices equals competition? I guess in the strictest sense it is ... but Time Warner and AT&T definitely love their cozy duopoly. The Raleigh/Durham/Chapel Hill area is one of the most affluent/technology-savvy areas in the country and their choices are Road Runner at a laughable 7Mbps/384Kbps or, finally, U-Verse. Wow. I get Embarq and Comcast, and Orlando apparently has the 3rd fastest growing tech-industry. At least ... sometime... we will have 50/10, =p
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join:1999-12-06
Raleigh, NC
kudos:1
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2 edits | Not Available The U-Verse web site tells me it's not available for me, even though I have a VRAD right around the corner from my house. Thought maybe it might be because I don't have an AT&T landline, so checked a few neighbors too...not available for them either. Wonder what parts of Raleigh have U-Verse available? | |
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join:2004-01-29
Knightdale, NC |  Re: Not Available
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Gautier, MS | Re: Not Available Stuck with AT&T, CableOne, and a really expensive WISP in my area. | |
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join:2005-07-30
Butner, NC | Yeah. "Available" means to a few streets in Raleigh and one to two select up scale housing divisions. Outlying areas will see it in three to six years. | |
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| | | I'm in N Raleigh not too far from Triangle Town Center. I've had an install scheduled on the 20th since sometime late last month. | |
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| | scotsAre we there yet??Premium
join:1999-12-06
Raleigh, NC
kudos:1 | Re: Not Available I'm in N Raleigh not too far from TTC also, but the web site tells me that U-Verse is not available to me. | |
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Sorry... I'm quite curious, and very interested in U-verse however I've never been a fan of switching services. I'd hope that I could be able to keep my same phone number if I switched to their voice service from digital phone. From what I looked though however, U-verse voice isn't available here. I checked off the TV and internet services I was interested in and came up with a total of $114 before taxes/fees, and I'm guessing those would be in the $20 range... still not bad. I'm paying about $188 a month for my TWC triple play.
If U-verse voice isn't available, what other options are there? The last time I had a landline with them it was about $48 a month and that did not include long distance, however that was 3-4 years ago. | |
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Knightdale, NC | Check out Wilson, NC fiber internet! GREENLIGHT Check out this website and DROOL! »www.greenlightnc.com/home/internet Please tell me why Raleigh doesn't have their own fiber buildout!!! | |
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| | | Re: Check out Wilson, NC fiber internet! GREENLIGHT I don't know about Raleigh, but Cary had plans to build a fiber network for their city... This was back years ago when they were having issues with TWC however, and it eventually got scrapped.
Too bad we will never see anything amazing like that here... TWC and AT&T have more than enough money and power to keep new players out of the triangle so they can keep us stuck in their stone age snow globe monopoly. | |
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| scotsAre we there yet??Premium
join:1999-12-06
Raleigh, NC
kudos:1 | 10/10 for $34.95??? Dang...maybe I need to move to Wilson. The commute to work every day would suck, though. | |
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3 edits | Re: Check out Wilson, NC fiber internet! GREENLIGHT I would love a 10/10 connection, but the closest thing to it here is a 10/5 connection for $35 with TCT or 15/1 with Bresnan for almost $65/month (8/384K is $50 something). | |
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| | | | | Re: Check out Wilson, NC fiber internet! GREENLIGHT That doesn't sound too shabby for WY.  | |
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