1 edit | So... Who cares? It's not in Atlanta yet.  | |
|
| | Congrats Congrats AT&T your technology roll out and delivery is on par with what people were doing in 2003. | |
|
 | | | Re: Congrats ROFLMAO!!!!! | |
|
| openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
kudos:2 | There was a large scale IPTV deployment in the US in 2003? | |
|
| | Reviews:
 ·Verizon FiOS
| Re: Congrats said by openbox9:There was a large scale IPTV deployment in the US in 2003? I guess I need to explain the joke to you. It doesn't matter if there was or wasn't an IPTV roll out in 2003 because what i am going at is the method at which they are delivering that service. We have services like FIOS and others developing fiber to the door, ATT is believing that if they leave copper in the ground it should be enough to get the job done. That my friend is so 2003 thinking and will come back to bite them in the end. | |
|
| | | openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
kudos:2 | Re: Congrats Thanks for explaining the joke. Let me explain reality to you. VZ is still having a challenging time with their FTTH roll-out. Uptake hasn't been as glamorous as they had hoped and investors are still anxious for their ROI. Even though you believe T is using "2003 thinking", it's not. FTTN is a logical progression for T in their upgrade path. They continue to extend fiber deeper into their markets and when the need for FTTH arises, it'll be relatively easy, quick, and low cost for T to make the leap. | |
|
| | | | Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
| Re: Congrats said by openbox9:Thanks for explaining the joke. Let me explain reality to you. VZ is still having a challenging time with their FTTH roll-out. Uptake hasn't been as glamorous as they had hoped and investors are still anxious for their ROI. Even though you believe T is using "2003 thinking", it's not. FTTN is a logical progression for T in their upgrade path. They continue to extend fiber deeper into their markets and when the need for FTTH arises, it'll be relatively easy, quick, and low cost for T to make the leap. You must work for AT&t to make such a rosy outlook like that. Trust me I know people in all aspects of ATT due to working there and it will be hardly easy, quick, and low cost to go back and make the leap to full fiber.
Uverse has been poor since day one of launch and continues to provide less than stellar results. Per typical AT&T leadership they have once again had the inability to implement projects on time and with an ounce of quality. | |
|
| | | | | openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
kudos:2 | Re: Congrats I hate to burst your bubble, but I don't work for T. If you do with your attitude towards T, why would you assume that I do given mine? I guess I could have said "easier, quicker, and lower cost" in my previous statement. | |
|
| | | | | | Reviews:
 ·WOW Internet and..
| Re: Congrats I don't see how Uverse will be a lower cost to them. In not even 3 years they'll have to come back and replace all of those VARDs with FTTH and leave the big unsightly boxes their to rot and rust.
how is that smart? wouldn't it be smarter to just deploy FTTH to the home the first time around instead of spending all the money for install, equipment and everything else twice?
I mean com'on. It's stupid not to do it right the first time around. T just doesn't have any plans to do FTTH. especially since what 97% of their "new" build out is UVerse? | |
|
| | | | | | | |
| | | | | | | Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
| said by hottboiinnc:I don't see how Uverse will be a lower cost to them. In not even 3 years they'll have to come back and replace all of those VARDs with FTTH and leave the big unsightly boxes their to rot and rust. how is that smart? wouldn't it be smarter to just deploy FTTH to the home the first time around instead of spending all the money for install, equipment and everything else twice? I mean com'on. It's stupid not to do it right the first time around. T just doesn't have any plans to do FTTH. especially since what 97% of their "new" build out is UVerse? Exactly what I was thinking when I saw their "deployment" plan awhile ago. A majority of the people were like "what are you an idiot, this makes no sense." Good thing they have leadership who can lead everyone into a giant brick wall time and time again. | |
|
| | | | | | | | | You keep speaking of Uverse and FTTH as if they're mutually exclusive. Especially that last sentence. They're not. Uverse is designed to get a major IPTV network in every city. the infrastructure can be changed out as needed. | |
|
| | | | | | | | Reviews:
·WOW Internet and..
| Re: Congrats a major IPTV Network in every city how do you figure? its always limited by neighborhood. they only offer service where they feel like it and never keep expanding in more areas, its always "limited areas of each city". And changing things out as needed adds extra $$$$ to the bottom line. Why just skip the non-sense spending and just do it right the first time around instead of being stupid. ATT doesn't care though. The customer will end up paying for it and ATT knows it. | |
|
| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Congrats Well why didn't cable do it right the first time and run an OC-768 to every house?
This isn't a simple industry. And yes, IPTV availability is growing in each city. Same as DSL availability. And it ads a lot less to the bottom line then spending lots of cash up front on an untested system. | |
|
| | | | | | | | | Reviews:
·WOW Internet and..
| Re: Congrats an untested system? how do you figure FTTH by T is untested. They have several markets around the Country that are fully FTTH. My friend is in one in Monroe County MI. Full FTTH build out.
It must not be much if T can afford to build that out and it works fine to this day. hmmmm untested yep sure it is.
but go figure a T employee defending them on a stupid move. and expanding DSL! WTF! Why would you worry about expanding DSL when they should be bringing in something that can compete with DOCSIS 3.0. T is gonna be up a shi& creek when DOCSIS 3 hits their markets. Especially when they have to go out and REBUILD the network AGAIN!
Shareholders will not be happy. | |
|
| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Congrats And what training in telecommunications do you have? If you don't know how a network works, how can you expect people to take advice from you on how to build one?
Sure, T could listen to you, and make sure that they make sure no one gets upgraded except a few places. And at a premium rate. Or they could hook up more houses with an affordable quality product. | |
|
| | | | | | | | | Reviews:
·WOW Internet and..
| Re: Congrats AT$T doesnt know how to build a network this size either. IF they did they would be building out FTTH instead of their crappy DSL service.
Give it up. we both know that the cable companies will pound T's DSL out of the water before they can even start to offer it to entire cities.
Cable companies are already upgrading their networks and T is slowly doing it. The cable company here where i live has already upgraded speeds once this year and is preparing to do it again soon with DOCSIS 3. and where is T? Still trying to install their crappy VARDs on the corners hoping they can get people to sign up.
Their one thing sounds funny though 700 homes per VARD. Why do i see them on almost every corner in Toledo? Especially in my area? If that was true I wouldnt need to see as many.
Sounds again like someone at T doesnt know what in the hell their talking about.
But as far as affordable! HA! Why is their product priced so much higher than anyone else's? Because even one of their spokespersons said they do NOT compete on price. They compete on product which is a laugh there! they really do not have one!
They limit the amount of streams of TV you can watch and their service is capped at 10/1 for pretty much ever because the only way to compete with anyone is to RE-build out again. Which means more $$$$ from the stockholders and more $$$ from the customers in higher bills. Nobody is going to keep paying for T's screw ups.
Ed is gone they need to scrap the DSL shit and move over to FTTH if they wanna stay in the game. | |
|
| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Congrats 'AT$T doesnt know how to build a network this size either.'
I'll just highlight that sentence and cut out there. Yea, T has no experience in nationwide telco deployment. | |
|
| | | | | | | | | Reviews:
·WOW Internet and..
| Re: Congrats I meant T does not know how to build an brand new network this size. If they did they would have done it right the first time. you and i both know it comes down to them putting the cost on someone else later on down the road. I don't know why you just don't admit that they don't give a damn.
If T knew how to build out a brand new next Generation network they would have skipped the DSL and the copper and went to FTTH. Not the other way around. | |
|
| | | | | | | So how is it a gold star winner on this site? Someone likes it apparently. | |
|
|  RickPremium,MVM
join:2001-02-06
Waterbury, CT | said by RiseAbove:Congrats AT&T your technology roll out and delivery is on par with what people were doing in 2003. I was thinking it was more along the lines of what people were doing in 1876.
Watson..come here...I do believe I might have invented Uverse!
»www.tecsoc.org/pubs/history/2002/jan25.htm
--
The Coyote captured the RR! Roadrunner Rick is now Comcastic! | |
|
| | Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
| Re: Congrats said by Rick:said by RiseAbove:Congrats AT&T your technology roll out and delivery is on par with what people were doing in 2003. I was thinking it was more along the lines of what people were doing in 1876. Watson..come here...I do believe I might have invented Uverse! » www.tecsoc.org/pubs/history/2002/jan25.htm HAHAHA now that is funny. | |
|
|  JigsawStardust We ArePremium
join:2000-10-21
Cleveland, OH | "While we don't try to position ourselves as the price leader, we do try to position ourselves as the future and service leader," says an AT&T spokesman.
But the corporate mouthpiece says its good...... 
--
"It's called the American dream because you have to be asleep to believe it."-George Carlin
| |
|
| | | So how many people had a 25+Mb/s link in 2003 to their house?
This is a major infrastructure and technology shift no matter what you say. It will lead to much better things down the line. This isn't the end game. | |
|
| | Reviews:
·WOW Internet and..
| Re: Congrats the early bird always catches the worm. T lost that with VoIP. And they'll lose it again when Cable.
Move on over T and start being a cable provider again. Ed should have never sold off Americast to WOW. Instead they should have upgraded the network and built it out.
Would have been farther ahead but showed they wanted to stay in the DSL business. | |
|
RickPremium,MVM
join:2001-02-06
Waterbury, CT | News! This just in to the Uverse Newsroom.. We have video of the first Uverse user getting connected in Kansas. It's time to break out the hats and hooters!
»www.corp.att.com/history/other/watson.wmv
--
The Coyote captured the RR! Roadrunner Rick is now Comcastic! | |
|
|  en102Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Re: News! This just in to the Uverse Newsroom.. Uverse does have potential... but they've marketed it wrong.
1. Selling basic service at a higher price point than cable (bundled)
2. Some pieces available in some markets (i.e. Los Angeles - the countries 2nd largest city does not have AT&T Uverse VoIP).
3. Sales staff that don't know what they are selling (promoting it as a fiber optic service?).
I'm one of the few that would be willing to give Uverse its chance to compete in my house against cable or satellite for TV, however, AT&T has priced itself out of the market.
AT&T
U200 + 1.5/1Mbps VDSL = $89
POTS Unlimited = $57 (after taxes)
TWC (1st year)
Digital TV + analog (on other sets) + 6Mbps HSI + unlimited VoIP = $89
To be 'fair', AT&T is offering some MIR rebate check cards for $200. At $57/month difference, over 12 months, I'd be saving a lot.
--
Canada = Hollywood North | |
|
| | | | Re: News! This just in to the Uverse Newsroom.. I'm in Birmingham I'm sure it will be here after it reaches Atlanta I was interested in Uverse until I read up on it and saw how half assed it was. If only we could get Verizon in the south right now I'm cool with Charter they scre up every now and than but they've come along way. | |
|
| | iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 Reviews:
 ·Verizon Online DSL
·Comcast
| The funny thing is, by trying to fit all those TV channels plus internet onto a single VDSL pipe that's a mere 25 megabits wide they end up with
1) Compression like no tomorrow on the TV streams
2) Slow internet (cable is faster in 99% of places both down and up)
3) Umm...non-competition on features
Sure they're trying to milk existing infrastructure, but it seems they're just doing an all-around bad job of it. The internet speeds they're getting could be had with ADSL2+ (except without the 1.5 up on the highest end UVerse plan). Hewck, ADSL2+ has a download limit of 24 Mbps, not significantly lower than the 25 Mbps portioned out for UVerse subscribers. No wait, that would e Qwest if they did that.
Also, AT&T IS doing FTTH in some areas but they're lame-ing it up to where nobody realizes, or cares, that it's fiber. Their HIGHEST TIER is slower than Verizon's LOWEST FiOS tier. Is tere a problem here? Uh, yeah.
On internet "competing for features" means higher speeds, both upload and download, and no caps. Sorry AT&T, you're not competing on features on VDSL until you let the user have the entire pipe for internet usage if he so desires. Case closed. | |
|
| | |  jester121Premium
join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL | Re: News! This just in to the Uverse Newsroom.. AT&T doesn't want BBR users as customers; they want the other 98% -- the ones who don't notice crap image quality on their shiny new Costco HD TV, and don't do anything except e-mail and facebook on their internet connection. | |
|
| | | | iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 Reviews:
·Verizon Online DSL
·Comcast
| Re: News! This just in to the Uverse Newsroom.. What's funny is that, if the connection or picture quality is bad enough, the people watching TV and\or surfing the web\Facebook are gonna notice. Or the go over to a friend's hose with RoadRunner 15/2 service and notice things are faster and clearer, then they switch. Especially if RR costs less! | |
|
| | | | | en102Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
1 edit | Re: News! This just in to the Uverse Newsroom.. Especially that last part.
OTA out here currently beats all others, and its free.
Of course, there's only 10/1 here in L.A., but the general packaging overall is cheaper, and less B.S. than going through AT&T to get a phone number brought over to their VoIP (non-Uverse, as they don't sell Uverse Voice in L.A., and won't port a DSL line)
Just as an FYI, I have no issues with ADSL (DSL-Extreme)... I do have an issue with AT&T milking POTS to death.
I personally believe that the issue with POTS users is probably an AT&T internal issue, where parts of their management are attempting to milk it for all its worth (and then some) to the point where they're actually losing subscribers, as they've priced themselves out of the market.
Even the most expensive VoIP is ~15/month (taxes) less than AT&T.
--
Canada = Hollywood North | |
|
| | | en102Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Personally, I don't care for the highest end data packages (nor do I need it). Until TWC started bundling decently here, it was at least as expensive, offering ~ 60+45+40 for packages (as did Comcast when they were here) Comcast was initially similar for me, offering only $60 cable + $45 internet and no VoIP, and DTV was available for $55 for me, with +$29 Internet.
For the AVERAGE user (non-HoFo), price is a sticking point.
AT&T is not competing on Internet data rates (if they are, then they're in a losing battle).
Unfortunately, for AT&T, they don't know (or care) to attempt to keep their current POTS/ADSL subscribers, as they've lost a lot of them recently.
AT&T's attempt to 'blame' this on the economy is a bit on the weak side, as cable companies have been snatching up their customers.
--
Canada = Hollywood North | |
|
| | | | | You know they are only fitting four channels at a time right? 2HD 2SD, with IPTV it's more like the switched digital deployment cables companies are looking forward to for saving their bandwidth needs. | |
|
| | | |  Ima
join:2003-10-23
Little Rock, AR | Re: News! This just in to the Uverse Newsroom.. I think for most people, the price of the service is the big kicker here. At this point, anything is better than Comcast here, from a price and quality stand point. Times are hard, and I need every dollar I can get. If I can get tv, internet and phone all for practically the same price I pay Comcast currently just for TV, it's clearly a winner(and I'm paying Comcast $150+ a month for just the digital basic package, 2 boxes and HBO that's discounted til the end of the year).
I'm far less concerned with the internet speed cause frankly, it's not that big of a deal. I'm not uploading or downloading like a mad man on some BT site. The 6MB line I currently have is fine, so if I get upgraded to 10MB with U-verse, it's another win for me.
While I understand and acknowledge U-verse's short comings, I just don't see how U-verse is as awful as people here make it out to be. FiOS is amazing, I'll admit that, but it's never coming here. AT&T would fight that every step of the way, so I just can't allow myself to hope for something that will never be. AT&T will never have that kind of competition here. Meanwhile, U-verse will be here eventually, so it will at least force Comcast to become more competitive which is great for everyone. | |
|
| | | | | | | Re: News! This just in to the Uverse Newsroom.. It's really not, U-Verse isn't bad at all. I went from 1.5/786 up to 10/1.5 up and its great, my TV is clearest its ever been and no pauses! I don't know if Comcast has this perpetual problem in other areas but in the greater Chicago area we have issues with it pausing on digital or Analog (outside Chicago) it will loose sound for a sec, then video freezes then it comes back. Sometimes its rare sometimes its multiple times a show.
I do like the price over Comcast and the selection is OK in my book.
I think there are some people on this site that are fanitical in a few ways, either they hate the telephone company, or they hate everything that isn't the absolute best. I understand U-Verse has flaws, just like any offering, however the service isn't that bad.
No one ever rants for pages here; "Verizon, be like Japan" or "Comcast ditch your copper and build an all fiber network now" however "U-Verse sucks" is quite easy repeatable. | |
|
ace1974
join:2007-06-09
Goldsboro, NC | Not too bad. I think their doing pretty good actually, one might say uverse is crap but 500,000 customers dont think so, you see just because you might not like it doesn't mean everyone else isn't either. It gives customers a thing called choice. | |
|
| | I also live in a Uverse city And still have no uverse that goes to my neighborhood or the neighborhood of several of my friends. We don't live in bad neighborhoods either. Deployment to a few subdivisions is not adequate for such a large company. | |
|
|  60127178K.U. Sweet 16Premium
join:2001-02-15
Wichita, KS
kudos:1 | Re: I also live in a Uverse city Interesting you mention that. One friend who lives at 119th south of Kellogg in a year old house (125k) cannot qualify. Another friend who lives a mile and a half away in Auburn Hills (275k) qualifies.
--
I'm farming, are you?? | |
|
| | the heck with att twc and all carriers i say where do i start..hummmm lets see..here in my small ohio town outside ironton and between oakhill..we have no highspeed of any kind.really sad cause we live off a main road..cable from twc is so old its 2.8 came from another market that show how sad the cable is ..im tired of hearing how the phone company and cable company says we are losing all this money and stuff..well come on now WAKE UP goofy peoples..expand to uncharted areas its called new customers areas..quit fighting over the same old people again and again..we get charged for 911 services and yet the 2 times when we really needed it guess what it didnt work...so quit crying about your loses and do something about it like expand dummies!!!!!!!!!! | |
|
| | | Re: the heck with att twc and all carriers i say go ahead and lay the new cables at YOUR expense and i'm sure they'll turn them on as long as you're going to maintain everything for TWC or ATT. | |
|
|
|
·
Re: Congrats