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| Same in my City The city in which I live in, Irvine, CA, has the same issue. They had a very lenghty council meeting with one of the Lightspeed reps over this issue a few weeks back. Keep in mind, this is a city where we don't have any telephone/electric poles (everything is underground). Cell towers here are few and far inbetween because "they are ugly". -- [[Your signature here]] | |
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| Re: Same in my City said by nightdesigns :... Cell towers here are few and far inbetween because "they are ugly". disguise them as palm trees - I saw one like this along the PCH in Ventura. I had to do a double-take when I first saw it. | |
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join:2001-02-11 Cedarburg, WI | Re: Same in my City The paint on the cabinets is special from a heat/cold/rust stand functionality. By painting them it would void the warranty from the manufacturer. Although I'm not sure how graffiti would affect not only the paint but the warranty? | |
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| Re: Same in my City I believe the paint is also warranted to be graffiti-resistant. Kiddies spray them and techs can wipe (with a bit of effort) it back to original.
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| said by nightdesigns :Cell towers here are few and far inbetween because "they are ugly". I'll bet the same people also whine equally hard about cell phones not working.
I always thought the FCC could overrule any local or state restrictions on cell tower placement. -- Only SHATNER is Kirk. | |
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join:2002-12-06 Nirvana | They only do what the NSA tells 'em to... So how could it be their fault? | |
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| Re: They only do what the NSA tells 'em to...
said by ronpin :So how could it be their fault? Yes, you are right. All of the people of Irvine, CA, who oppose cell phone towers actually work for the NSA. The NSA of course, overruled the FCC when it came to putting up a cell phone tower in their town.
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1 edit | Re: They only do what the NSA tells 'em to... As a shill for the 30% Fascist crowd -- your pretty good. Rule #1 -- always cast doubt on others by turning their point into a joke. Too bad you guys have already shot-yer-wad -- 'cause your as good as any shill out there 
I just wonder why the fascists don't think they will be subject to the fascists dictates they helped usher-in? Will the NSA delete your phone records -- because you contributed to the Right? -- "Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country" - and stop the NeoCons | |
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| Re: They only do what the NSA tells 'em to... said by ronpin :Will the NSA delete your phone records -- because you contributed to the Right? Absolutely. Also, when I flash my voter registration card at the gas pump, it takes $2 off of the price per gallon that I pay. -- Only SHATNER is Kirk. | |
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| Re: They only do what the NSA tells 'em to... said by pnh102 :said by ronpin :Will the NSA delete your phone records -- because you contributed to the Right? Absolutely. Also, when I flash my voter registration card at the gas pump, it takes $2 off of the price per gallon that I pay. well sure...you guys get a 1 cent discount per voter registration card...  -- "Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country" - and stop the NeoCons | |
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| said by ronpin :As a shill for the 30% Fascist crowd -- your pretty good. Rule #1 -- always cast doubt on others by turning their point into a joke. Too bad you guys have already shot-yer-wad -- 'cause your as good as any shill out there  I just wonder why the fascists don't think they will be subject to the fascists dictates they helped usher-in? Will the NSA delete your phone records -- because you contributed to the Right? And when all else really fails, resort to petty name calling.
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| Re: Same in my City I'm SOOOOOO tired of "not in my back yard"....
If the phone companies want to play nice and good neigbor, they will, and mostly should. HOWEVER, home owners, scratch that, INEXPERIENCED home owners should know that "lawn ornaments" are a fact of life. SOme people wind up with them, some don't. But, the thing that these people don't get is that it's not on "their yard"... it's in the easement which they technically don't have ownership / rights over in the first place.
Some reasonings that creack me up, as well, is ..
"They have no right" "Well, *I* don't use / I don't want their service, get it out" "It's ugly" - no kidding? "I'll just bury it" or "I'll plant rose bushes around it" and then do.
Some people think that since it didn't exist before that it doesn't have a right to now. Or, that if something is the way it is, it will always be.. when they do in fact reserve the right to make changes..
This battle will go on, people will meet over it, and money and time will be wasted.. someone will even devote their cause to getting rid of these boxes.. however, AS ALWAYS, it will go no-where and the boxes will remain. -- "Wipe out the national deficit over night... Tax the stupid!" - about 50 gMail invites available. PM if you'd like one. | |
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| Re: Same in my City said by fiberguy :HOWEVER, home owners, scratch that, INEXPERIENCED home owners should know that "lawn ornaments" are a fact of life. It's funny you mention that. On my yard there is a nice big blocky looking box that belongs to the power company. I'm guessing it is some kind of transformer although that doesn't matter. I suppose if I want to indulge in a luxury such as electricity, I will have to put up with said box 
Actually... it doesn't bother me at all. -- Only SHATNER is Kirk. | |
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| The funny part is these aren't placed in the front lawn. Those type of boxes are placed on side of houses or around back. They're few and far between. The electric company has a bigger footprint then the cable and telco RTs. Every couplehouses have to have a 3x3ft transformer. For the other guys it's 1 big box for several hundred and plenty of small ones. | |
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| Re: Same in my City Yea... no kidding, huh?
I can recall being bitched at, screamed at, and made to feel that I was murdering someone's child because there was a 1' green pedestal sticking out of the ground in their yard. However, it was 16" away from the sidewalk and mostly in the center part between the two houses. (Yes some are bigger as we know) but it's a fact of life. These boxes have to exist.
The other alternative, in SOME cases, is to put the services back on poles. It would eliminate much of these horrible life ending access peds as they are now, but then people would have to complain about the poles and the over head drops to the house instead.
But, I can certainly see if these peds are placed in inconvenient places, as I've seen some, where they are right on the end of their driveways so they are constantly hit by cars. Other than that, my attitide is so what. I've got all three in my yard AND a manhole but life goes on.  -- "Wipe out the national deficit over night... Tax the stupid!" - about 50 gMail invites available. PM if you'd like one. | |
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join:2004-03-19 Here | Re: Same in my City I have a huge transformer literally in the middle of my front yard. I also have a telco and cable ped at the property line. Big whoop. | |
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join:2005-04-01 Seattle, WA | Re: Same in my City What I don't get is in my sister's neighborhood, telco and cable run in the easement along the back of the property, but electric runs up in the front of the property about 3 inches from the sidewalk. Tacky as hell if you ask me. | |
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1 edit | said by fiberguy :I'm SOOOOOO tired of "not in my back yard".... But, the thing that these people don't get is that it's not on "their yard"... it's in the easement which they technically don't have ownership / rights over in the first place. The courts have ruled that an easement is restricted to the stated purpose. For instance, All those companies laying fibre optic lines next to Railroad tracks got a BIG surprise when the courts ruled against them (in favor of the landowners). I.E. The Railroads had no rights to add fibre to their easement.
»www.findarticles.com/p/articles/···n8983756 »www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&c···aWcVgtMA "AT&T TO SETTLE FIBER OPTIC CABLE CLASS ACTION TO PAY LANDOWNERS $45,000 PER MILE"
»www.pur.com/pubs/3787.cfm "What Price an Easement?" "Setting Market Value in Fiber Optic Corridors" ====
In this thread.. AT&T is mis-using easements on private property intended for utility services for their own private profit seeking purposes. (Unregulated TV and Internet.) | |
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join:2005-10-25 Phoenix, AZ | i agree, everybody pisses and moans about these pedestals placed in the utility easement, but yet they want all the latest cutting edge services.... | |
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1 edit | The Bells DON'T want the title of a utility anymore UNLESS it serves their purposes.
Video - We are a competitor not a utility so we can just redline.
Telephone - Hey, we are the phone company and have a duty (a mandatory one) to provide phone service to everyone. So, with that being said, we don't want Joe's Telco coming in here, sharing lines, and taking out customers. We made the investment so why should CLECs get in? (Of course, HUGE tax breaks and monopoly power granted to A UTILITY allowed to build it in the first place. Even taxes did).
What should happen?
If they put a telephone line in a city where a cable co has to wire everyone, the Bells are NO exception and should be REQUIRED to do so including DSL, IPTV, etc. Or, allow competition from anyone (not tax-based).
Town XYZ
30% is served by TWC and 70% served by Comcast.
If the Telco wants to serve just 25%, then someone else (since the Bell claims they are NOT a utility anymore) gets to serve the other 75%.
Banks can't redline without fines. Neither should anyone else that looks like a utility do so either. | |
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| It's not the boxes... If AT&T would give these municipalities the kickbacks (franchise fees) they want, they'd let AT&T erect fluorescent Death Star replicas along with the boxes. The boxes are just a convenient excuse.
I mean, take a look at that ugly fence behind the box. Geneva, IL just ain't a place that actually cares about aesthetics. | |
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| Re: It's not the boxes... Yes it is the boxes, and you are wrong on 2 points:
1) As a resident of Geneva, IL. I can tell you that we do care about aesthetics!
2) If you actually read the captions for the pictures, you would see that these boxes are in Wheaton, IL., and are used as examples, the pictures were not taken in Geneva. Currently there are no lightspeed boxes in Geneva. | |
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| Re: It's not the boxes... AT&T's new design for service box'x |
Why doesn't AT&T combine both box'x into one, yes I know that might cost some money. I can't understand why AT&T sues, and generally acts like a walking rectum when they could work with the community have love, smoochies, and good will. -- The older I get the more I prefer the company of my dogs over that of man kind. | |
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join:1999-08-02 Spring City, PA | Re: It's not the boxes... What the heck is a "box'x"? | |
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| Re: It's not the boxes... said by operagost :What the heck is a "box'x"? DUH!
A typo. The X and the S are right next to each other on the keyboard.
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| said by Transmaster :Why doesn't AT&T combine both box's (not sic) into one. Isn't one of the boxes the SAI cabinet used for POTS? I believe in general, SBC is able to re-use existing SAI cabinets, so they can avoid building out new SAI cabinets and having to replant the copper.
I think the SAI is actually the bigger of the two boxes. In which case, one would think the complaints should have happened earlier, when the SAIs were installed as part of POTS service.
The 2nd box is apparently called a VRAD, which has the DSL in it. Anbody know what VRAD stands for? | |
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| For the record, this issue has never been about franchise fees. AT&T has no problem paying a comparable fee - they just won't sign anything called a "franchise."
The main issue is that AT&T refuses to accept that their video service should be treated like a traditional cable service and will not agree to serve all areas of a city equally (as cable providers are required to do as part of their franchise agreements). -- »www.tricitybroadband.com | |
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| Re: so let me get this right... i vote that they should not get broadband at all and that project lightspeed should come to houston were we'd welcome thoes ugly boxes hell if they put one in my back yard i'd run an ethernet cable out to it  | |
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@rr.com | Re: so let me get this right... People whine about not being served by AT&T. AT&T installs 52B cabinets to serve neighborhoods. People whine about DSLAMS. You Got Served !! | |
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join:2001-07-23 Houston, TX
| Hell no! I don't want that huge ass box in my yard! I already have 3 boxes and a damn telephone pole. What's the point of this crap? Do we really need a box for each freaking competitor? In a perfect world everyone would have a satellite dish, cell phone, and solar panels. | |
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| Bring it on! I'd welcome one in my yard. Free paintball target PLUS super short copper loop PLUS that much less yard to cut. Sign me up! Bunch of spoiled brats worried about a box in their yard. Maybe I should move there and make my new whining neighbors paintball targets too.
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| Re: Bring it on! said by Nuts :Let the weeds grow up around it so the whiners can't see them Then the weeds go to seed...  | |
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1 edit | Those are NOT comon carrier facilities.. And should NOT have any access without negotiation(payments) for usage of public property. (The standard is even higher for private property.. )
1st and foremost.. The upgrades are NOT necessary in order to provide phone service. Any upgrades are for OTHER non-public purposes.
Now.. If AT&T decides to unbundle on a non-discriminatory basis and allow other ISP's access, they might regain their common carrier status. | |
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join:2004-03-19 Here | Re: Those are NOT comon carrier facilities.. That's not quite how right-of-way law works. | |
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join:2004-09-27 Pensacola, FL
| said by tkdslr :And should NOT have any access without negotiation(payments) for usage of public property. (The standard is even higher for private property.. ) 1st and foremost.. The upgrades are NOT necessary in order to provide phone service. Any upgrades are for OTHER non-public purposes. Now.. If AT&T decides to unbundle on a non-discriminatory basis and allow other ISP's access, they might regain their common carrier status. The law might not work that way but I agree entirely. | |
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join:2004-03-07 Tempe, AZ clubs: | They are ugly... Those boxes are not very pleasing to the eye, I can see why they have a problem. Wouldn't want it in my front yard. Not to say I wouldn't want the service...  | |
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| The price of technoligy advance. Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
God lord it just a few boxes. No body world be complaining if it was a few extra stop lights. The boxes used are the same size.
Let us not forget this is Geneva, Illinois. This is the same town wanted to build their own Muni wireless system. Now tell me how many "unsightly boxes would need to be put up for that. The whole issue is just politics, only muni wireless buys political power and votes, and franchise is just another word for shakedown. Geneva, Illinois is just carrying out Chicago-lands fine tradition of political corruption. | |
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| Re: The price of technoligy advance. said by richardpor :God lord it just a few boxes. No body world be complaining if it was a few extra stop lights. The boxes used are the same size. Heh... I wonder if they complain about those unsightly water/sewer treatment plants too! They must go now!
said by richardpor :Let us not forget this is Geneva, Illinois. Their "solution" of course is for no one to be able to get any of these services from AT&T. I know I would be quite irate if my local jurisdiction decided to waste money on legal action against any ISP that wanted to offer such services. -- Only SHATNER is Kirk. | |
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join:2001-08-17 Wheeling, IL | You speak as though Geneva is the only (or most representative) municipality being sued by AT&T over this issue. | |
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  CylonRed Premium,MVM join:2000-07-06 Bloom County | This is great... It is the "I WANT it" factor mixed with the ever so popular - "Not in my back/front yard"... love it and the stupidity that goes along with it... | |
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  dslwanter Why would I want DSL? I have FTTH Premium join:2002-12-16 Lowellville, OH | Wow. How ungrateful. If they want to Bitch about it, you can gladly come here and put one in my yard. | |
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| regarding the boxes The boxes are huge and unsightly. I realize people are begging for this service but, aesthetics are important to many people as well. I personally wouldn't want one of those fugly huge things in front of my home(regardless of the 15mbs fios). I can't believe there isn't a way to place the service without using those boxes. Either buried access points with ground panels or something similar. I am certain this isn't brought up because of the cost involved to AT&T...
As far as the city wanting franchise fees, I am sure that's an issue as well. Everyone is out for another buck. | |
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2 edits | Funny non-Illinoisers I find it interesting it's the people that don't live in Illinois that are all testy and critical of the cities. Geneva and Wheaton are both very nice communities and have valid arguments for being anti-fugly.
I know I wouldn't want those ugly old things in my yard. | |
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| Re: Funny non-Illinoisers I don't care what kind of city it is.. utilities are utilities. Why do you deserve any different a box in your yard than any other city?
Should your boxes cost more to look better? At who's expense? The rest of us?
Sorry, Goob.. I normally don't lash out for this purpose, but really, it's either make them all nice, or make them all the same.
If your town wants something nicer, ... well, I hate unfunded mandates... dig into your wealthy pocket and pony up for pretty... it's part of living in a nicer area. In one of my houses, we do just that.. the residents forked over some money to have them use specific equipment in our area for looks. -- "Wipe out the national deficit over night... Tax the stupid!" - about 50 gMail invites available. PM if you'd like one. | |
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join:2000-12-17 Naperville, IL | Re: Funny non-Illinoisers Yeah, that would be fine. I wouldn't care about paying more. I don't know where you got the idea that I want the rest of the system to pay for my or my community's preferences. | |
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| This whole thing is silly... This really has nothing to do with competition, franchise fees and all the other things mentioned. I don't care if you had 10 ISP's sharing everything or whatever and all 10 paying franchise fees, the infrastructure for a program like this has to be installed.
I'm sure some of the very people who constantly b---- and moan on "when am I going to get my higher speed" are the same ones who don't want to the boxes, about like the people who constantly rant and rave that we must have wind power but don't want to see the towers off of their beaches!
An no, I don't work for ATT, Verizon or anything even remotely related to the telephone / cable business. | |
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join:2004-06-09 | This needs to be known Why isnt this stuff in the news.. I say email this to all news companies and let Fredom Ring ! | |
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join:2006-01-18 Chicago, IL | If they offered to pay me 200-500 a month for each box they can throw 3 in my backyard | |
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join:2001-08-17 Wheeling, IL 1 edit | Re: If they offered to pay me I'd consider that offer as well. At least then they wouldn't be depreciating my property's value. Well, not quite so much, at any rate. | |
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join:2003-02-07 Fenton, MO
| Most of the time they are placed on easmeents that are pusrchased by AT&T so if you dont like it bitch at your neighbor that sold them the easment!! Bunch of damn whine babies! Could be worse, you could have this......... | |
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| Re: If they offered to pay me said by Biskit :Most of the time they are placed on easmeents that are pusrchased by AT&T so if you dont like it bitch at your neighbor that sold them the easment!! Bunch of damn whine babies! Could be worse, you could have this......... A stray cat???
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join:2005-09-21 Bethel Park, PA | HOLY CRAP!
Now take that picture and show it to all the whiners, they'll smarten up. | |
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join:2003-05-13 East Haven, CT | Re: This was on last night Just watched it very good show. | |
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join:2006-01-07 Stow, MA
| I have seen worse I can say I would not like one in my yard. In my area we have electical junction points all over the street sitting the front yard of our houses. You get use to it.
That one looks a little extream, maybe it has a standby generator next to it. They do make underground ones that could have been used, but they are much more money. | |
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join:2003-05-12 Charlton, MA | They can construct the Taj Mahal if it will get me service. Come on down to Charlton MA I've got a block of space on my Yard you are more than welcome too if it will get me high speed service that get Charter Cable the Hell out of town. | |
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| Rocky River, Ohio In Rocky River, Ohio When the residents and city council discussed AT&T U-verse coming to town the residents didn't embrace the higher speeds, newer technology, potential lower prices because of competition, cable competitor. They just complained about the 3 yes i said 3 boxes that could create an eye sore throughout their city. Basically i think they could do better if they went with FTTH but i wouldn't mind being a testbed for newer technology as apposed to being left behind because of opposition. -- www.LakeSemaJ.com | |
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  MadMANN Premium join:2005-08-19 | No difference. . . These look no different than the x-connect facilities that they use for copper.
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