  jarablueAlways be true to yourself
join:2001-06-11
Boxborough, MA | The army is mad and is gonna bite your head off. OOOOOOO I am so scared. Look at me I am crying. | |
|
 |  exocet_cmYou delete it, I'll find itPremium
join:2003-03-23
New Orleans, LA
kudos:2 | Re: The army is mad Nah, don't screw around with government systems. If all things the government says, their computer systems they actually back up, especially the army.
--
I know that God is real, but I don't think He created this vast universe just for us.
Seti@Home & Seti@Boinc | |
|
|  BBR_InsUWNF or CoH thats my GamePremium,Mod
join:2000-04-22
La Mesa, CA | And this is a surprise to who?
Only the cheaters have to be worried and even then until a public arrest or lawsuit is out there it will not have the big impact.
I am hopeful that this is the start of a good change | |
|
| |  SmokeyI'd rather be skiingPremium
join:2003-05-20
Wild West | Re: The army is mad I agree Edward. If you want to play on the Army's servers, then you play by the Army's rules. Simple.
--
Sentio aliquos togatos contra me conspirare | |
|
| | | | |  Re: The army is mad
 | |
|
| |  NerdtalkerWorking Hard, Or Hardly Working?Premium,MVM
join:2003-02-18
Tucson, AZ | I agree, fps cheaters are below spammers, but they'll always remain part of online fps games.
Trying to stop this will prove as effective as the RIAA/MPAA's attempts to stop piracy | |
|
| | | look out, the punishment for this "crime" is sending you to iraq, where cheating tools don't work
(the game is just propaganda used as a recruiting tool after all, and if you keep getting killed by cheaters, you might get the feel of what real warfare ais nd be smart enough to stay home)
always read your EULA carefully | |
|
| | | Do you really want to tick off the guys who get paid to kill people for a living?
--
Zuh? | |
|
| | | 8,000 USA dead 20,000 more injured! WHOO! | |
|
 matt380Dangit, Bobby.Premium
join:2002-06-12
Kennesaw, GA | mock, but.. you mock, but, they very well may storm your country (house) and demand all you hacking weapons of mass destruction! boo-yeah. | |
|
| | | Re: mock, but.. lol. Cheaters in multi-player games should receive the death penalty lol. No I'm serious.
Not. | |
|
| | | |  Re: mock, but..
whoaaaaa | |
|
IanR
join:2001-03-22
Madison, NJ | No cheating we are the military Moral is don't cheat at war. | |
|
|  mcfrischRevelare Pecunia
join:2000-07-02
Lakewood, OH | Re: No cheating we are the military said by IanR:Moral is don't cheat at war. I thought "all is fair in love and war!" 
I really doubt much can be done, unless the cheat involves hacking the Army's servers. Most deathmatch cheats are based on texture manipulation, radar, and aiming aids. This is usually done client-side. AFAIK, hacking your own computer is not considered cybercrime, and although ethically it is wrong, I don't think it is criminal. I play UT alot, and the plethora of aimbots makes most online play suck. Luckily, server includes such as PURE and CSHP keep the majority honest for a little while. Why doesn't the Army put out some client purity check routine?
--
Mcfrisch(Cox HSI : Cleveland) | |
|
| |  LazarusSlavin AwayPremium
join:2002-06-18
Dickinson, ND | Re: No cheating we are the military said by mcfrisch: said by IanR:Moral is don't cheat at war. I thought "all is fair in love and war!" I really doubt much can be done, unless the cheat involves hacking the Army's servers. Most deathmatch cheats are based on texture manipulation, radar, and aiming aids. This is usually done client-side. AFAIK, hacking your own computer is not considered cybercrime, and although ethically it is wrong, I don't think it is criminal. I play UT alot, and the plethora of aimbots makes most online play suck. Luckily, server includes such as PURE and CSHP keep the majority honest for a little while. Why doesn't the Army put out some client purity check routine? Not entirely correct there. You do not own the game on your system. You have a licencse to use said game. Read the EULA. As for most of the cheats being client side that may be true, BUT those cheats do affect the coding of the swr that you have agreed not to alter. Again its in the EULA and TOS. By doing so you have violated the swr license that YOU agreed and can now be held accountable for such action.
--
My personal philosophy in life is....If you can't criticize or make fun of yourself and take it. What right to you have to criticize or make fun of others. | |
|
| | | | | Re: No cheating we are the military No offense, but how come when people talk about law, they start trying to talk like a lawyer?
Just my 'said' ramblings... | |
|
| | | | LazarusSlavin AwayPremium
join:2002-06-18
Dickinson, ND | Re: No cheating we are the military Don't ya love anon users. But to answer the question it probably happens because that is how they have seen it answered in many other places. I know I have seen the answer that I gave above many different places. Some where it has been explained much more exactly and others where it hasn't.
Happens to people all the time when they are around others. Put a group of people together long enough and they will pick up the same nuances, gestures and language traits as the others. Human nature.
--
My personal philosophy in life is....If you can't criticize or make fun of yourself and take it. What right to you have to criticize or make fun of others. | |
|
| | | | | | | Re: No cheating we are the military "Don't ya love anon users."
Uhh...going by the name "D1Lazarus" doesn't exactly give away your identity. A registered "D1Lazarus" is just as anonymous as an unregistered "ploobidge". That's all. | |
|
jeraden
join:2002-06-10
Coraopolis, PA | JAG I think I smell an upcoming plot to a future JAG episode. | |
|
|  calvoiper
join:2003-03-31
Belvedere Tiburon, CA | Re: JAG Actually, it'll probably be a double-header, first investigated on "NCIS", then passed over to JAG. Of course, there will have to be some lame cover story about why the Navy is doing the Army's work, but it'll probably be something like "the Navy's game was hack proof, so the Army asked the Navy to handle this...."
I'd only watch it if they reincarnated Adm. Chedwidden as the outside consultant who helps solve the problem. What ever happened to him, anyway?
(And yes, my digression is indicative of the seriousness--or lack thereof--with which I approach this subject.)
calvoiper
--
VoIP--the death knell of remaining voice monopolies! | |
|
 DavidNow accepting new patientsPremium,VIP
join:2002-05-30
Granite City, IL
kudos:70 | WHat's this The government don't like competition is what it sounds like to me..
I guess the goverment does hate competition amongst themselves..  | |
|
| |  great use of resources
| |
|
|  icp1Premium
join:2000-10-13
Saint Louis, MO | Re: great use of resources said by BIGHUSKER:Definitely a great use of resources. Instead of cracking down on terrorism or continuing the effort in Iraq, we threaten cheaters of a stupid FPS that costs nothing to play. While your point is taken about using resources in general, they have commited to use a certain amount of resources to create/maintain the game and use it as a marketing tool.
That being said, mass-cheating on the level that currently exists makes the money they have committed a waste, so they feel the need to protect it. | |
|
| |
| | | Re: great use of resources and they should or counter the cheats with there own cheats. | |
|
|  53059959Temp banned from BBR more then anyone
join:2002-10-02
PwnZone | lol too bad myg0t doesent do much in AA. I should install AA and go r4g3 some servers | |
|
|
1 edit | said by BIGHUSKER:Definitely a great use of resources. Instead of cracking down on terrorism or continuing the effort in Iraq, we threaten cheaters of a stupid FPS that costs nothing to play. Wow I didn't know that the only thing the government should be doing is focusing on terrorism.
The government can do more than one thing at once...and they better be with all the money I give them every year.
Now to watch the feds haul off some 13 year old cheater would be priceless. THATS WHAT I PAY TAXES FOR | |
|
| | That's awesome I can't wait to see the first kid tried for treason because he cheated on AA. | |
|
| RayWPremium
join:2001-09-01
Layton, UT
kudos:1 | Re: That's awesome said by insomniac84:I can't wait to see the first kid tried for treason because he cheated on AA. Where do you get treason out of that? A civil suit, maybe even criminal, but in this country that probably means a slap on the wrist for most of those people.
--
I am not lost, I find myself every time. | |
|
| | |
| | | LazarusSlavin AwayPremium
join:2002-06-18
Dickinson, ND
1 edit | Re: That's awesome said by BBR_InsUW:How about a slap on the Wrist... Like having the families ISP disconnect you, or The equipment used to create or spread the Hacked software seized and used as evidence in a trial that even if it didnt take place that would surely tie it up for a few years, or A civil suit like the RIAA and Microsoft have done in the past all nice and public All real possibilities I like those points Insuw. You could even expand on them to include such things as. What if 12 yr old script kiddie is playing on Mom and Dad's computer at home. Mom or Dad does things for work on his/her computer at home. Said script kiddie download hack. AA tracks said script kiddie.
AA then:
1. Calls script kiddies ISP informing them what is going on. ISP disconnects internet service to the house.
2. Informs local law enforcement or FBI office of what is going on and has issued a subpeona for computer equipment in the home for evidence in civil trial.
Results:
1. Family loses internet connection
2. Family loses all computers.
3. Mom or Dad loses job for not being able to do work from home or having the computer at home to do said work.
4. Mom and Dad pay out money to a lawyer and possible fines.
Not a very nice scenario but very possible.
--
My personal philosophy in life is....If you can't criticize or make fun of yourself and take it. What right to you have to criticize or make fun of others. | |
|
| | | |  MikePremium,Mod
join:2000-09-17
Pittsburgh, PA | Re: That's awesome 12 year old hangs upside down from a tree until he's retirement age.
problem solved. | |
|
| | | | | LazarusSlavin AwayPremium
join:2002-06-18
Dickinson, ND | Re: That's awesome said by Mike:12 year old hangs upside down from a tree until he's retirement age. problem solved. LOL. I like that idea too. But what about Mom, Dad and your 3 siblings who now barely scrape by, due to 12 yr old not being taught to understand right and wrong.
--
My personal philosophy in life is....If you can't criticize or make fun of yourself and take it. What right to you have to criticize or make fun of others. | |
|
| | | RayWPremium
join:2001-09-01
Layton, UT
kudos:1 | said by BBR_InsUW:How about a slap on the Wrist... Like having the families ISP disconnect you, or .... All real possibilities Yeah, but we are not talking RIAA, Microsoft, or the IRS, but the Army.
--
I am not lost, I find myself every time. | |
|
 Bigman68Bigger Is Better
join:2000-12-07
West Haven, CT | get rid of cheaters I'm for anything that will get rid of the cheaters in the game. Last night I was playing in a new server we set up but had forgot to turn punkbuster on, in no time a bunch of cheaters showed up. Turned it on and I haven't seen them since. The game wouldn't be any fun filled with cheaters, good thing for the countermeasures. | |
|
 MentatI dream in infraredPremium
join:2001-02-25
Sugar Land, TX | :uhh: The army is a bunch of newbs | |
|
| | | Re: :uhh: I agree, its not a crime to pay for a more expensive video card to obtain a higher fps rate and its not a crime to overclock it either because its your property not theirs. | |
|
 RygelLearn How To Use ReplyPremium
join:2001-11-17
Moira, NY | Draft If you get caught cheating the may well draft you. The Army id getting desperate for people.
--
Stop the vote! Say no to Gallery voting! | |
|
|  wallyghsWho Needs Sanity?
join:2001-09-13
Fairborn, OH | Re: Draft said by Rygel:If you get caught cheating the may well draft you. The Army id getting desperate for people. Aaaahahaha! That's hilarious.
And I LOVE IT!
--
12/05/04... Goodbye Mickey.12/06/04... Goodbye Matthew. | |
|
| | | | Re: Draft ...and in many areas, is dead serious.
There are a number of rural [and not so rural] areas that offer the choice of spending a few years in jail for your crimes or signing up with the military.
It should be noted that the people who choose to sign up do not get plum assignments. | |
|
| | |  72276539Premium
join:2001-01-19
Atlanta, GA | Re: Draft said by DSL Oberst:...and in many areas, is dead serious. There are a number of rural [and not so rural] areas that offer the choice of spending a few years in jail for your crimes or signing up with the military. It should be noted that the people who choose to sign up do not get plum assignments. You act like this is a new thing.
--
RIP Dimebag- August 20, 1966 to December 8th, 2004. | |
|
| | | |  Combat ChuckToo Many CannibalsPremium
join:2001-11-29
Erie, PA | Re: Draft Not to mention that 4 years of military discipline seems to be much more effective at reforming minor criminals than being Bubbas bitch for 6 years at the big house.
--
Nothing is more intolerant of a diversity of opinion, than a liberal society touting the virtues of tolerance and diversity. | |
|
| LazarusSlavin AwayPremium
join:2002-06-18
Dickinson, ND | said by Rygel:If you get caught cheating the may well draft you. The Army id getting desperate for people. Might not even have to go that far. Send em to boot camp for 3 months. Turn the meanest, nastiest, toughest SOB of a DI loose on em. They would think 2x about doing such bad things again. You could even apply this all the way down to the 12 yr old script kiddies. Some of the juvenile detention facilities operate on this concept.
--
My personal philosophy in life is....If you can't criticize or make fun of yourself and take it. What right to you have to criticize or make fun of others. | |
|
 osmePremium
join:2001-09-07
Hamilton, ON | Laughable I still haven't finished laughing at the fact that they made it as a recruitment tool.
Anyway, I seriously doubt any action taken regarding this would hold up in court, assuming the judge isn't paid off - is this still possible in America? | |
|
|  KeepOnRockinMusic Lover ForeverPremium
join:2002-11-08
Beaverton, OR | Re: Laughable said by osme:I still haven't finished laughing at the fact that they made it as a recruitment tool. Anyway, I seriously doubt any action taken regarding this would hold up in court, assuming the judge isn't paid off - is this still possible in America? Maybe not a big threat to national security, but cheating would violate the TOS of the game and proably violate sections of the EULA too.
Cheaters of online FPS games help ruin the game for everyone. I stopped playing some online games due to the cheats and hacks. | |
|
|  Defiance82Computer ElitePremium
join:2002-09-11
Burlington, WI
 ·Time Warner Cable
·Suddenlink
| LOL They only wish they can get you. With all the cheaters in every onlien game the AA game is no diffrent. Suck it up u POS US Army and get a life. What are you going to expect? Every online game host provider, game maker callign the FBI overloading their case files with "oh my god there's a hacker in my server". I can see it now. Our FBI/Gov time all tied up in onlien games all because one company wanted to be dicks and file charges.
--
My crime is that of outsmarting you, something that you will never forgive me for. I am a hacker, and this is my manifesto. You may stop this individual, but you can't stop us all... after all, we're all alike. | |
|
| wallyghsWho Needs Sanity?
join:2001-09-13
Fairborn, OH | Re: Laughable I'm sure no judge would issue any jail time for this, as tampering with gov't property is still somewhat of a stretch. However, I wouldn't doubt seeing fines being levied against the cheaters, especially ones that like to circumvent punkbuster.
--
12/05/04... Goodbye Mickey.12/06/04... Goodbye Matthew. | |
|
|  pcscdmaChocobo Chocobo Random BattlePremium
join:2004-01-14
Winterset, IA | said by osme:Anyway, I seriously doubt any action taken regarding this would hold up in court, assuming the judge isn't paid off - is this still possible in America? Amerika is the land of opportunity. Anything is possible.
--
/sbin/shutdown -h now | |
|
1 edit |  Note the juveniles (literal and figurative)
The Army has just found the best way in the world to fund the cost of the war in Iraq. How? I'd pay friggin' top dollar to sit in bleachers set up in front of the house of the first cheating brat to answer the front door and find a couple of Army MPs waiting to haul his ass off for violating the AA terms of services (if such a thing exists). Particularly it's some young piece of shit that needs to get outside and face reality anyway instead of sitting inside and cheating at a relatively decent game and ruining it for the gaming community. $50/ticket goes to fueling raids on terrorists in Fallujah and ensuring whatever peace can be established in time for the January elections.
If the AA group has time off or a lull in development, I'm all for 'em heading to a weapons locker and making a cheater run. Certainly don't, however, need military resources pulled off of REAL war to deal with these brats.
IronChefMorimoto
--
Desktop #1: Abit NF7-S 2.0 | AMD AthlonXP 2500+ | 1GB PC3200 DDR | 256MB ATI Radeon 9800 Pro
Desktop #2: Shuttle SK41G | Athlon XP 1800+ | 512MB PC2100 DDR | Onboard Graphics
Laptop: Dell Latitude C810 | Intel PIII-M | 512MB PC133 SDRAM | |
|
| MentatI dream in infraredPremium
join:2001-02-25
Sugar Land, TX | Re: Note the juveniles (literal and figurative) said by IronChefMoto:Note how the literal (pimple faced whining, cheating brats) and figurative (older, but still asinine enough to cheat) juveniles come out and comment in a thread like this. The Army has just found the best way in the world to fund the cost of the war in Iraq. How? I'd pay friggin' top dollar to sit in bleachers set up in front of the house of the first cheating brat to answer the front door and find a couple of Army MPs waiting to haul his ass off for violating the AA terms of services (if such a thing exists). Particularly it's some young piece of shit that needs to get outside and face reality anyway instead of sitting inside and cheating at a relatively decent game and ruining it for the gaming community. $50/ticket goes to fueling raids on terrorists in Fallujah and ensuring whatever peace can be established in time for the January elections. If the AA group has time off or a lull in development, I'm all for 'em heading to a weapons locker and making a cheater run. Certainly don't, however, need military resources pulled off of REAL war to deal with these brats. IronChefMorimoto 
--
It is said that the two great sins are pride and hate. I elect to think of them as the two great virtues. To give away pride and hate is to say you will change for the good of the world. To vent them is more noble;the world must change for the good of you | |
|
 vpokoPremium
join:2003-07-03
Boston, MA | And this is why... And this is why I would never play a game produced by a government entity. I also wouldn't be shocked if the game had a few nasty surprises like searching your hard drive for objectionable material, etc.
It's beyond assanine to treat a violation of an EULA (a civil contract) as a criminal offense, and I don't think the Army could successfully prosecute anyone.
The fact that they're even saying this proves how utterly mad our government is becoming. Prosecute that. | |
|
| MordhemLove it, Hate it.
join:2003-07-10
Baltimore, MD | Re: And this is why... "and I don't think the Army could successfully prosecute anyone"
Ya they could if they wanted trust me on that one, Btw its there game and there Servers so let them do what they want.
Btw that can be done considering a few game company's have had people put in jail for, tinkering..... I would guess they would go after the older people who do such stupid things as that tho. That is if they do.
3 USA | |
|
| | dardin
join:2002-11-19
Tucson, AZ | Re: And this is why... It's not "there servers". This game like almost all FPS games are run off servers by private owners who choose to run them. | |
|
| | | |
|  SliderNCMaster Of DisasterPremium
join:2002-12-12
Cornelius, NC | said by vpoko:And this is why I would never play a game produced by a government entity. I also wouldn't be shocked if the game had a few nasty surprises like searching your hard drive for objectionable material, etc. It's beyond assanine to treat a violation of an EULA (a civil contract) as a criminal offense, and I don't think the Army could successfully prosecute anyone. The fact that they're even saying this proves how utterly mad our government is becoming. Prosecute that. Microsoft manages to sue and prosecute people who violate their EULA/ToS, why can't the Army?
--
Litre is French for give me some f***ing cola before I break vous f***ing lips.
My LiveJournal | |
|
| | vpokoPremium
join:2003-07-03
Boston, MA | Re: And this is why... Microsoft can sue people that violate EULA's, but they can only prosecute them if they can show a violation of a specific law. Violating a civil contract in itself isn't a criminal offense. | |
|
|
|
|  DaDogsSemper VigilantisPremium
join:2004-02-28
Deltaville, VA | Re: Note to self.... said by fuzz:Call terrorist and tell them to stop cheating and play fair.  They (the Army) probably hate captain Kirk too. Kirk always had an option that wasn't in the rule book and he was the HERO. I would think that the Army would want people thinking outside the box. Oh well, I guess we should wait around until we find an honorable enemy.;) Duh... I never met an enemy that could defy the laws of physics, except in a computer simulation.
What a maroon.
--
I'd rather chew sand than watch sixty seconds of 60 minutes. | |
|
 intellerSociopaths always win.
join:2003-12-08
Tulsa, OK | Wait....so you mean The Abu Garaib AA mods I'm using are illegal?
What about the Drown Iraqis 2.1 mod?
man this sucks, how am I expected to finish the game? | |
|
| DaDogsSemper VigilantisPremium
join:2004-02-28
Deltaville, VA | Re: Wait....so you mean said by inteller:The Abu Garaib AA mods I'm using are illegal? What about the Drown Iraqis 2.1 mod? man this sucks, how am I expected to finish the game? Take two airplanes and fly them into the World Trade Center. You won't win but you will begin to understand reality.
--
I'd rather chew sand than watch sixty seconds of 60 minutes. | |
|
dardin
join:2002-11-19
Tucson, AZ | doubt this would work..... This wouldn't hold up in court. This is like Microsoft telling you that you cannot install Netscape on your paid for and owned copy of Windows just because its in the EULA.
Your not violating any type of copyright or law, so I seriously doubt any court would find this to be legal even if it is covered by a EULA. | |
|
| pcscdmaChocobo Chocobo Random BattlePremium
join:2004-01-14
Winterset, IA | Re: doubt this would work..... Not another analogy thread.
Analogy threads are like art school graduates. They don't make any cents.
--
/sbin/shutdown -h now | |
|
 Pepin9
join:2003-01-05
New Port Richey, FL | HAHA It's about time...no one likes a cheater anyhow.
--
-Pepinhttp://pepin.mine.nu | |
|
| SKL111
join:2003-01-24
Pinetta, FL | Re: HAHA For all of you doubting the claims of this posting, you really need to do some research and stop listening to hearsay.
If doesn't matter if you tamper clientside or serverside, your still tampering with a U.S. Military/Government System/Application. Keep doubting this and how far the government can go to prosecute this and you will wish you had done your research.
Oh and keep doubting the systems the Government have for monitoring and logging date. They really do have some stuff that is far more reaching that most of us want to know.
Ignorance is bliss until your time comes. | |
|
| | I know nothing Well I for one believe them...
But what the heck do I know...
| |
|
| | | RE HEy i remember this game..when it first came out i installed it on my PC.
There was a training session in the beginning with some army instructor.... i would keep shooting him LOL. They would put me in jail with a cup to bang against the bars and you could hear a guy whistling... it was fun... didnt play it except for that!
HAHA- thats what i would do in real life if i were to ever get drafted tho... | |
|
| | LazarusSlavin AwayPremium
join:2002-06-18
Dickinson, ND | Re: RE said by smarturtle:HEy i remember this game..when it first came out i installed it on my PC. There was a training session in the beginning with some army instructor.... i would keep shooting him LOL. They would put me in jail with a cup to bang against the bars and you could hear a guy whistling... it was fun... didnt play it except for that! HAHA- thats what i would do in real life if i were to ever get drafted tho... Yeah I am really sure you would LOVE spending some time in military lockup. That makes a lot of sense. Even if said in jest that doesn't make sense.
--
My personal philosophy in life is....If you can't criticize or make fun of yourself and take it. What right to you have to criticize or make fun of others. | |
|
| | | Re: I know nothing Works for the Americas Army video game team. ^^^
They tell him nothing, isn't that right Mike? :D | |
|
 AlakarFacts do not cease to exist when ignored
join:2001-03-23
Milwaukee, WI | Keep Talking....... All of those people making fun, and claiming the Army can't do anything, sound like the same people that started crying after the RIAA started filing lawsuits.
It's a basic fact that you don't own any software on your machine that you didn't write. I know of no software developers that sell their software. You are licensed to use it. Check your EULA. That being said, The DMCA gives software developers alot of ways of coming after you.
Make sure you laugh now kiddies; when your ISP cancels your service or you (or your parents) get served with a lawsuit it won't be so funny.:D
--
"Those who would give up their civil liberties for security deserve neither." Benjamin Franklin | |
|
|
See 10 replies to this post |
|
|
