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cloud 9 | Re: Giving up on reducing piracy not an option No, we shouldn't give up. Civil disobedience is the most powerful tool for instituting change. People should stop paying for any Copyrighted material until the copyright laws are completely re-written.
It's a war, and the pirates are winning.
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| | | | Re: Giving up on reducing piracy not an option Copyright law? The Copyright law is fine.. it protects peoples writes. You have a problem with the industry trying to collect what they feel they should for their product. And then trying to enforce that collection.
You can still copyright material and *NOT* collect money from it. Collecting money is an option afforded to the owner of the content. | |
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| | | It's a huge part of the economy the same way house-flipping was. Parasites might have their place, but that place is to be contained in your bowels. Instead of violating basic rights of Americans Obama should be looking to extract money form China which has a real state-sponsored pirate economy. Making foreigners pay $30 for plastic discs is patriotic, extracting that money from Americans by force and moving a lot of the profits offshore is another treasonous act by the government. | |
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| | | | Re: Giving up on reducing piracy not an option Capitalism is American..... Theft of copyrighted material is American? Being a corporation and trying to make money (capitalism) is un-american? I'm confused... | |
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San Francisco, CA | Re: Giving up on reducing piracy not an option Actually, the corporatism of today is quite un-American. The idea of headless sociopaths circumventing the representative nature of our democracy is sickening. | |
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| Re: Giving up on reducing piracy not an option said by SLD:Actually, the corporatism of today is quite un-American. The idea of headless sociopaths circumventing the representative nature of our democracy is sickening.
I believe a case could be made that American corporations today are a throwback to pre-Revolutionary colonialism, where the corporations were appointed by the State to spread out into "uncivilized" territory to bring natural resources into the State treasury (at the expense of the local natives, who were subjugated, and their own nationals, who were equally exploited by those corporations). Or something like that.
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New Orleans, LA | said by NetKrazy:Being a corporation and trying to make money (capitalism) is un-american? I'm confused...
Well yes, trying to make money through fraudulent, horrific (consumer wise) ways is not American at all.
The general phrase "making money" is not American in any way, shape, or form because of the sheer number of legal and illegal ways this can be done
Unless, you are admitting that making illegal money is an American way too? Which...may be true | |
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| | | | | | Re: Giving up on reducing piracy not an option Wait who's breaking the law? Copyright holders or the people who are stealing a product from a vendor? | |
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New Orleans, LA | Re: Giving up on reducing piracy not an option said by NetKrazy:Wait who's breaking the law? Copyright holders or the people who are stealing a product from a vendor?
The people stealing. So what? | |
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The original is still there.
Are we going to start comparing Ctrl+V / C on a Keyboard to driving off at the pump again?
Let me stop this before it starts.
If people could digitally replicate gas without cost, nobody would pay for it. | |
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| | | | | | | | Re: Giving up on reducing piracy not an option This topic was about pirating software via the net. I wasn't addressing every possible form of. And I didn't believe that you were either. I am incredibly "pro" the notion of copying a media file that you have and I wouldn't even be able to justify the "licensing" terminology used on movies and the like. This topic was specifically debating downloading online content for which you have not //purchased//.
Your point here is equally as irrelevant to the Topic, because we weren't debating the ISP's going to your house and snooping through your computer to see if you had made a copy of something. We were discussing the act of you downloading and via torrent re-distributing to un-named third parties media which is //sold// by a company and you didn't pay for. | |
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| Re: Giving up on reducing piracy not an option said by NetKrazy: We were discussing the act of you downloading and via torrent re-distributing to un-named third parties media which is //sold// by a company and you didn't pay for.
Once again, comparing this to physical theft is ridiculous.
You've done this many many times. | |
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And that is sad, because lettuce production is far more important than film production; yet we pay the film industry far more than we pay the lettuce industry. Our priorities are skewed toward activities which don't contribute to our survival.
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New Orleans, LA | said by Romney2012:No matter how many people say it is hard to stop piracy and we shouldn't try, that is NOT an option. Intellectual Property(IP) is a huge part of US economy, and to say the authorities should do nothing would be a disaster for jobs and the US economy. The people who complain about paying for music and movies will also be complaining about jobs and the economy if they got their desire for free everything.
Can you name me and a SINGLE THING that has come out of the fight so far by the industry? Like, one single thing? | |
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Gainesville, GA | said by Romney2012:No matter how many people say it is hard to stop piracy and we shouldn't try, that is NOT an option. Intellectual Property(IP) is a huge part of US economy, and to say the authorities should do nothing would be a disaster for jobs and the US economy. The people who complain about paying for music and movies will also be complaining about jobs and the economy if they got their desire for free everything.
Preach on to the money brother. I used to pay for netflix. Then netflix kept raising rates. Then netflix kept getting slammed by the movie industry to the point there was nothing on netflix that i wanted to pay for.
Then i stopped paying.
Preach on to the money brother. I hope they pay you well, cause i sure as hell aint. | |
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| | | Stopping piracy is impossible. Newsgroups been around since 80's and there is no way to detect who is downloading. Only thing this will do is send more people to newsgroups or other service which are not traceable. | |
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kudos:4 | Re: Giving up on reducing piracy not an option Of course it is. I never said they could STOP piracy; only minimize it.
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| | | | | Re: Giving up on reducing piracy not an option said by Romney2012:Of course it is. I never said they could STOP piracy; only minimize it. It's even unlikely to minimize it much. | |
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| | | | exactly. More and more people will ante up the $10 bucks a month for a private Usenet account or VPN and that will be that. Then where will the RIAA/Nanny Govt be? They gonna shut down every Usenet provider in the Netherlands? Germany? Canada? Japan?
Wouldnt be surprised if they had the gall to try. | |
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Rohnert Park, CA | said by silentlooker:Stopping piracy is impossible. Newsgroups been around since 80's and there is no way to detect who is downloading. Only thing this will do is send more people to newsgroups or other service which are not traceable.
Never Ever talk about this again! NG's are for those that know not for those that do not. Never ever! the rule of NG's is keep it to yourself.
What happens in NG's stays in NG's! (smile)
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El Paso, TX | said by Romney2012:No matter how many people say it is hard to stop piracy and we shouldn't try, that is NOT an option. Intellectual Property(IP) is a huge part of US economy, and to say the authorities should do nothing would be a disaster for jobs and the US economy. The people who complain about paying for music and movies will also be complaining about jobs and the economy if they got their desire for free everything.
I'm starting to wonder if you believe any of the stuff you write yourself.
Is Netflix free?
Is Spotify free?
Stop pretending we live in a pre internet era, where only a handful of people were able to mass produce copies.
Mass production of copies have stopped being something only a handful of people can do, and we're seeing the results of that.
Some business people have realized that you can no longer sell products as if this wasn't the case and are selling products with this reality in mind:
The cost to make copies has basically become "free" (people already own the equipment to do that with computers and internet connections) and pirates know this very well.
It was obvious enough when recordable CD's and DVD's first came out. And now with even faster internet connections making a copy has truly become nothing special.
The MPAA and RIAA would much rather sue their customers than accept this reality and adjust to the times. But then that's nothing unexpected, these "middle men" have never been anything but shady business men by pretending to work for the artist, when for the most part they pretty much rip off most of them. (see the recent lawsuit in Spain of anti piracy group, that is ripping off artists by pocketing money that wasn't theirs for themselves)
Also, you should get off your high horse already by pretending every time you type that you aren't one of these infringers, and that you've never broken copyright. i guarantee you, some way or another: you have.
The days of scarcity are over, and you can no longer sell a product with out abundance in mind:
They need to charge a lot less, and sell to a lot more people.
Copyright is obsolete, and it needs to go away in it's current form.
Companies like Netflix would be so much more profitable if they didn't have to jump trough so many hoops, such as having to limit you releases only to the countries were you have worked out deals with different copyright holders, for the exact same content.
That reason alone is what guarantees piracy will be around for a very long time, it's much more efficient and cleaner at delivering the content.
Just look at the anime fansub community. The episodes get subtitled the same day they air in Japan in almost every language.
Can you imagine just how much profitable the Anime producers would be if they sold the rights to companies like Netflix directly (and skipping useless middle men like Funimation, etc) and subbed the episodes in every language same day release world wide? (they could even have the fans do it for a very small fee... they already do it for free)
It doesn't even need to be Netflix, they could do this themselves.
Anyway i'm done pointing out the obvious:
Their business model is obsolete, and we shouldn't bend over backwards to accommodate them. | |
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Port Hueneme, CA | A Better Idea Provide content worth paying for. | |
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| | | Re: A Better Idea This is an arrogant response ... If it's not worth paying for you don't have the right to just "take it". Again, if you think a car is not worth $25k you can't just go onto the lot and take it. And then blame the cops and the auto manufacturers for making a car that you don't think is worth it.
People really need to get passed this notion of it's only a song they should let us be. The sense of entitlement is on both sides here.. their side is "We made it we want our money" and the other side is "You've got enough money you should just let me take it!" | |
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| | | | Re: A Better Idea I will start feeling sorry for the big media companies when they stop perverting the copy write laws. Tell me, how has Disney not made their investment back on Mickey Mouse? Or the records labels on Elvis? The big media companies are robbing us by having copy write privilege extended essentially forever! Now we allow the estates of artists to retain copy write privilege. The original intent of the law was to allow works into the public domain after the author, inventor, composer, etc had a reasonable period of time to recoup their investment. Not any more. | |
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| | | | | Re: A Better Idea So because people still want it I have no right to profit from it? I should never have to "purchase" a work of art from a museum because they've made their money? | |
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San Francisco, CA | Re: A Better Idea That would be a fair assesment. Make your fair share and then give back to the society that allowed you to achive what you did. | |
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| | | | | | | Re: A Better Idea and what is fair is *NOT* determined by the creator/owner but by the people who want it? | |
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| Re: A Better Idea said by NetKrazy:and what is fair is *NOT* determined by the creator/owner but by the people who want it?
That's one definition of free market capitalism.
If something can be reproduced without cost, then it has no scarcity. | |
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El Paso, TX | said by NetKrazy:So because people still want it I have no right to profit from it? I should never have to "purchase" a work of art from a museum because they've made their money?
Yes, because we can mass produce indistinguishable copies of works of art, just like we can with digital media right?
And besides, the ones we CAN make copies from (though obviously not indistinguishable) people already do, such as paintings, and no museums had to be sacked for that to happen.
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ALL works are supposed to pass into the public domain eventually so that the entire world can make use of them. Originally that term was 14 years, with an additional 14 years if the artist renewed it. Now it lasts for almost a century after your death. Current copyright terms deprive everyone in the world from seeing anything created within their lifetime become public domain. How is that in any way, fair to them? | |
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| | | | | I don't mean to offend but we might want to leave Disney out of this? Mickey Mouse was actually created by a man named Ub Iwerks and Walt Disney (the man) while pretending to be his oldest friend continually suppressed knowledge of his contribution to one of the most iconic cartoon works of the last two centuries with Mickey Mouse.
Disney is a violator of copyright, as well as a contributor. Were copyright law actually better this injustice would not have occurred for Ub. | |
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| | | | To start, There is no 'TAKE' in copyright infringement. 'TAKING' means you remove an item from an individual (i.e. theft). A COPY is NOT THEFT. It cost the original producer exactly ZERO DOLLARS to make a copy.
Having said that, there SHOULD be a copyright law, I won't disagree with that. But READ the constitution.. "To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries"
Part 1: To PROMOTE the progress of science and the arts, by securing for a LIMITED TIME'.
That's where I have a problem. However, there is an easy solution. Step #1: NO CORPORATION can own a copyright. Period. A corporation is NOT a PERSON. Corporations do not CREATE things, individuals do. Thus, if a movie is made, the people who CREATE the movie own the copyright, not the corporation. There is no law that states copyright can only be assigned to a single person.
and, of course, the root cause of the problem.. "Limited Time". Originally, it was 14 years. In the old days, of limited distribution and manufacturing capabilities, that sounded like a good compromise. However, with the greater manufacturing and distribution available today, copyrights should be SHORTER today. What would take 14 years to distribute and profit in the US back in the 18th century, can be done in 2 years here in the 21st century. I would allow a compromise copyright of 5 years today.
Read the purpose of copyright.. to PROMOTE progress. Giving the great grandchildren money for something created over 100 years ago is a violation of both the writing and the spirit of that clause.
So, yes, today, ignore copyright laws. Period. Where would gays be today if everyone followed all the laws on the books, when most states CLEARLY had laws saying homosexuality was illegal? They would be FAR WORSE OFF today if everyone followed the law. Copyright is EXACTLY the same. Ignore the law, and I am PROUD to say, that todays kids have no idea, and really don't CARE about copyright law.
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New Orleans, LA | Your comparison between taking a car and taking content is not that on target
Most people (well, let me re-phrase)....some people....download movies b/c they can't find them ANYWHERE on the TV, ANYWHERE on any of the pay video sites....and want to see it
There is a REASON Netflix, Hulu, and others have so many users.
What I think people like hhawkman are saying is....PROVIDE your content to us....we WANT to see it....we WILL pay to see it.
If you can't, and we find other ways....slamming us into jail wont stop it. Putting it online (even charging us) is a way to stop it. | |
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| "To start, There is no 'TAKE' in copyright infringement. 'TAKING' means you remove an item from an individual (i.e. theft). A COPY is NOT THEFT. It cost the original producer exactly ZERO DOLLARS to make a copy."
It's not easy to outdo religious dogma, but the above is actually dumber and every time I read this dumb totally lacking form of thinking I weep for the species.
Stop fixating on terms you clearly leave lacking and start realizing that by usurping the need for a sale, you have rendered a loss of a sale which meant the creator lost a form of income you achieved by criminal means.
Yes you TOOK the money right out of his wallet. You stole his money, it was theft. And only a brain damaged chimp would be capable of being dumber. | |
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| Guess I can stop kicking him, as it is clear I am not alone in laughing at his attempts.
I don't mind if he drops the subject of course. Only a real idiot actually expects to win arguments on the internet.
Whether or not he ever concedes is as uninportant as it will ever get.
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| Re: A Better Idea In China IP rights are 100% nonexistent ( I've lived there ), yet they have a booming music industry, much more vibrant and accessible than in the US.
Guess how they make money? Live performances.
Kind of exposes the whole doom and gloom myth of IP.
Science is another area that benefits from open and free access. ( which until the late 20th century it always had ) | |
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| Re: A Better Idea said by DataRiker:In China IP rights are 100% nonexistent ( I've lived there ), yet they have a booming music industry, much more vibrant and accessible than in the US.
Guess how they make money? Live performances.
Kind of exposes the whole doom and gloom myth of IP.
Science is another area that benefits from open and free access. ( which until the late 20th century it always had )
In as much as China might be able to support an active live scene, it's still China. And while it is an interesting observation, it still doesn't validate your earlier positions.
I suppose your having lived in China should also not surprise me 
China, where ANYthing is acceptable to steal, car designs, trains, planes, you name it. Amazes me we let them make anything at all. Oh wait our other favourite fault, greed. Let a country that has no interest in human rights, make the product in conditions that would get you jailed here. Or at the very least, on the Union hit list.
Science is hardly a 'product'. if I was able to discover some great piece of knowledge, I'd reveal it, get my Nobel prize and be happy. Fame is simply not something you can buy. | |
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2 edits | Re: A Better Idea So you discount an example because its from another country?
You honestly believe artists here can't perform?
And to be quite honest, I've lived been to China, and lived in Vietnam, and South Korea, and I've found I had more freedom in many ways and less in other ways.
All said and done, its about a wash in the freedom dept. Living abroad really puts the rhetoric in perspective. | |
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| "So you discount an example because its from another country?"
No, I know China from it's products, and I know China as a result of knowing a lot of Chinese from China and in China.
And I know of musicians in Canada and the US and I know it isn't the same playing field.
Playing live here is simply not the same. Some advantages, some disadvantages. More than I can list with any ease though.
Just opened a model from DML Dragon Models actually. They are the darlings of the military model world (thanks mainly to their obsession with German armour subjects). They make cutting edge kits. Damned good ones too. And considerably cheaper than those from Japan from Tamiya.
The thing is, China is China, and their working world is not the same one in Japan. If the same kit had been made in Japan, it would cost twice the price. Being in China has some advantages to nearly anything made there.
What is comical though, is they are now becoming too much like the west They are getting undercut by countries like Vietnam.
I'm old enough to remember when 'Made in Japan' was a slur and not a nice thing. Then Japan mastered the process. China won't necessarily always be who they are. They might change. But They do have some unique conditions to deal with. An obsession with male children and 1 child limits has certainly come back to bite them in the ass. I think China would likely welcome a major military argument with India over water. Losing a few million single males here and there would sure improve the lives of the millions and millions of single males not in the army. | |
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American consumers are to blame in my opinion. | |
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| Re: A Better Idea said by DataRiker:You do realize the "cheap" products from China are largely at the behest of American companies, which include American managers on site at these factories.
American consumers are to blame in my opinion.
Never said they weren't.
North American society, people wanting to be paid too much, driving all their unrealistic job expectations employment off shore all so they can go to a store and expect to pay too little for crap made in countries that they think are dreadful human right violators.
Now if they asked for less pay, and made it so all that is sold here, was made here by people living here, it actually might cost less thanks to everything working in the reverse direction. But that makes sense, even if they are not willing to teach it in economics (which if it made any sense would be able to solve the country's problems in the first place).
They open the borders to foreign goods, and foreign nations factories all so they can do what? Shoot themselves in the head economically?
Canada and the US each do not need the rest of the world, it's the truth. We don't need anyone's raw materials, we are swimming in the stuff. We don't need anyone's technology, we don't need your workers and we don't need your market. Yet we seem to think we do?
And in the end, we have MacDonalds worthless psuedo food grown out of country and sold here, with happy crappy toys made in China for peanuts all so we can rush to our jobs which are lucky to exist at all as in most cases we are just consumers buying crap from out of country. | |
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how are you gonna innovate if everything is forever locked down? YOUR already 32nd in math and science now wait till your dead last.
WHAT you should do now is force everyone to become IP Lawyers so you all can just run around suing each other. ( CBS and limewire for example )
Better build more prisons and get more cops too and jail guards.HURRAY you need to imprison me for a music tune | |
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Milledgeville, GA | Where will it stop? If you don't respond to those notices, why don't they "throttle" your other utilities as well? Have the power company drop the current to your house -- enough for 3 light bulbs is fine. Tell the water company to reduce your flow to 1 faucet's worth. Got natural gas? Not anymore! For a week you'll get only enough to keep the pilot lights lit.
No company should be required to act on blind allegations sent by another company. It's so nice of them to offer reeducation training; why not just put people into "camps" so they can "concentrate" on the error of their ways?
What if someone proposed the exact opposite of this? Any time someone purchases music or movies from an online store they should be redirected to sites explaining why they're being ripped off by a failing business model. Full internet access wouldn't be restored until they acknowledge the error of their purchase.
My usual disclaimer applies here: it doesn't affect me because I don't download anything -- because they haven't produced anything I want to own in about 15 years. Movies are CGI-bloated rehashes of ancient storylines and music is filled with moany, breathy angst-ridden singers who mangle "love" into "lurve" as if it's normal while relying on autotune to fix their lack of pitch.
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Portage, IN | Re: Where will it stop? It won't stop. Not until every working man in the world is completely bankrupt and under the thumb of the corporate controllers.
The record companies sold more music last year than any year in history. They still aren't happy. This band of professional clowns hired to entertain us and keep us dumbed-down are the richest nobodies in the world. They should be more than happy to have what they have, which is much, much more than the vast majority of the world's citizens. But they always want more.
The fascist in one of the posts above shilled for them like everyone does: would you work without being paid? Would you steal a 25k car?
Of course the answer is no on both counts. But the Hollywood court-jesters ARE getting paid. What they are saying is, "I made $100 million last year. It should have been $101 million". Shut your spoiled, cry-baby ass up. I make $50k, am I going to be a baby because I think I deserve $51k? I grow up and get over it. It makes me sick to my stomach to when I think about the unadulterated greed and selfishness of the entitled pseudo-rich who think they are somebodies. They are nobodies compared to those who are really controlling them.
And would I steal a car? No. But realize, just like music piracy, there is a percentage (albeit small) of the population who does, indeed, drive stolen cars. Or find ways to get them without paying for them. If a person scams their way through life off of everyone around them, that's OK because GM or Toyota got paid. But god forbid, the corporate masters actually lost $1 because certain personality types refuse to actually pay their own way through life and will find a way to get a free ride every time. Let me guess...we should have checkpoints on every road and everyone has to go thru re-education every few miles to remind them that it's wrong to steal cars. Sickening.
And if I could take my neighbors car, hook it up to my computer, and have an exact copy of it for myself, you bet your ass I would do it. Because I didn't steal a thing. I made a copy. Two completely different ideas.
Because the things they are selling aren't tangible. It's intellectual. You can't use that argument. And bullying the people you expect to consume your products is just ignorant. And blind-sighted, the kind of decision you would expect a spoiled 13 year old girl to make. But, looking at the sad, empty souls in Hollywood, I can't tell a lot of difference between the two.
But where will it end? I hope I don't see it in my lifetime, but I know exactly how this all ends. | |
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Valley Stream, NY | Encryption.... And soon underground will develop new techniques to bypass those "filters" and ISPs will start booting innocent people.
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| Re: Should the accused pay if innocent? said by Mr Matt:3) ASCAP was founded to provide a way for performers and composers to be compensated for their work product. Using a composers composition or musicians performance without compensating them will eliminate the incentive for them to perform or create musical compositions. ASCAP will insist that you need to pay them in order to have live performances even if you ensure that no songs covered by their organization are ever played. In short, they insist that any venue with music must pay them, whether they represent the copyright owners of that music or not.
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| what ever happened to JOBS?? Nobody elected Obama to protect large corporations! They gave a crap about jobs.. and Obama seems to be focusing on EVERYTHING ELSE BUT JOBS!
For evey penny above $2 premium gasoline is (IN THE MOST EXPENSIVE LOCATIONS!), that's how many members of congress and the president should be voted out of office! How about that for an incentive! | |
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| | | Re: what ever happened to JOBS?? »www.virginiagasprices.com/retail···art.aspx
Please select the 5 year term... covering the last two administrations. And please explain what's different.
Mind you I agree with your notion but disagree with specifically naming current executive's. There is no such thing as a politician that is truly "for the people". I would also wonder what would it be like if Congress didn't exist the elected president did have unilateral control without having to get "permission" could be beneficial... could be disastrous.
(God I must be bored today this is more posting than I've done in a long time.) | |
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| Rekrul
join:2007-04-21
Milford, CT Reviews:
·AT&T U-Verse
| said by tmc8080:Nobody elected Obama to protect large corporations! They gave a crap about jobs.. and Obama seems to be focusing on EVERYTHING ELSE BUT JOBS! This surprises you? Obama is a lying weasel, just like 99.99% of all politicians. | |
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|  OctaveanPremium,MVM
join:2001-03-31
New York, NY
kudos:1 | If I recall correctly, Vice President Joe Biden actually has more of a record with these things prior to election then President Obama. I though Biden would be very sympathetic to organizations such as the MPAA and the like. | |
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·TekSavvy DSL
| Re: All my downloads are legal When the industry wakes up to the fact that this is 2011 and that a lot more of you would exist, if they made a lot more effort to make a lot more of you by selling more efficiently to people like you, they likely would have a lot less need to fret over piracy that will always exist.
I buy all my electronic medium wargames from Matrix Games/Slitherine via digital download which sends me a file with nothing other than a serial number as a means of protection. Yes not a perfect method (I happen to know there is none), but, the thing is they don't lose sales from me in the process.
Their installer has no secret aggravations, no online activations needed, no limited installs. There games are actually expensive as games go, and I am still ok with buying them as they have done the one thing that the rest refuse to do. They stopped pissing off the person who buys it.
There are games out there I simply will not buy as the process is an offense, an intusive nuisance. I won't avoid getting them, I just won't do it THEIR way.
The only thing stopping me from using Netflix is the problem of adequate bandwidth. This is a case of where Hollywood needs to realize who is really the problem. Good ole boy corporations like Bell refusing to accept they can't run the industry THEIR way just because. That's an example of one corporation's greed causing problems for another greedy corporation, and not pirates. | |
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·Verizon FiOS
| The government and white house.. are just doing and saying what the entertainment industry is paying them to.
They contributed enough money to "campaign funds" and "gifts" and now they want some return on their money. Most countries call this bribery, here it is business as usual. | |
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| | A total waste of time Private servers will be set up for subscribers offshore. Isp's of course will lose all their subscribers by throttling not to mention the FCC will likely sue them. | |
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zefie
join:2007-07-18
Hudson, NY Reviews:
·DSL EXTREME
·Verizon Online DSL
3 edits | One way.. To get those of us who have morals and some spending money, but are stingy with it, to buy more copyrighted material is to stop scamming us (with large print "FREE DIGITAL COPY", then small print you can't read until you purchase and unbox it "expires [sometime last month]"). Even if you did get the digital copy, it itself probably has DRM and expiration dates. I can't say, I never got one yet.
And to stop locking us down. If you download a movie 'illegally', you just watch it. If you buy it, you wait for some laggy menus to load (Blu-ray), forced to watch a 10-15 second studio logo, forced to watch a 5-20 second FBI warning (or in Fox's case, 4, in 3 different languages). ect.
Let me do what I want with the media, aside from copying it. Why can't I just put the movie in and watch it? Why do you shove things down my throat after I paid you, then wonder why others don't?
My Scott Pilgrim Blu-ray takes about 5 minutes to load, because I have my Blu-ray player connected to the internet, so, without asking, Universal uses this to download advertisements (labeled "What's New") into the main menu, instead of a separate menu that I should have to click to activate. So I have to unplug my Blu-ray player's internet to watch the movie faster?
It is only plugged in to use DLNA to watch files off my PC... | |
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| | Comcast(team america world police) It is not the cable companies responsibility to become the internet police. they regulate enough already. | |
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OctaveanPremium,MVM
join:2001-03-31
New York, NY
kudos:1 | Actions based on junk philosophy What concerns me most is what happens when there is a false positive. ~$35 just to contest is absurd.
The way I see this going is those that are determined to download intellectual property without paying for it will simply move to different methods of doing the same thing. In an extreme case I could see more in the way of “wardriving”. Accessing unprotected wireless networks or compromising poorly protected wireless networks is just one way to work around this. And there seems to be no recourse for the victims in this save to pay ~$35 per infraction (ie attack on their wireless network) or throttling.
Anyway, replication may not be theft but I’m sure no one wants their credit card number replicated or personal ID replicated by nefarious third parties. Replication, in this case, isn’t in itself the problem though. The problem is the mistaken notion (on the part of the content holders) that replication as an act in and of itself equates to loss of revenues. This is a fallacy based on the concept that if there were no other means to acquire the intellectual property it would be paid for by those who have acquired it through other means. This is a “count your chickens before they hatch” type of assumption and a kind of junk math as well.
It’s a difficult to understand and subtle concept. Some may never grasp it though.
I don’t condone piracy and in that I mean I will not participate in such activities nor will I allow my children to. However, to be perfectly honest I don’t care if others do.
Anyway, all this seems to be at its heart is another grab for power and control. Slightly different methods but with the same basic goals and same major players. | |
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| | Lets not be blind to the obvious What this really is...is the MPAA and RIAA seeing this type of legislation simply as a NEW REVENUE STREAM. If you guys would quit bickering about what is and isn't stealing we could get down to the truth. Just like the satellite providers 10 years ago the entertainment industry sees this process as a simple way to extract more money out of Americans. There have been studies as to what content is downloaded "illegally" and what is still purchased which shows marginal at best impact on the industry's bottom line. | |
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join:2004-05-28
Fallbrook, CA
kudos:1 | I have a question For you pirates out there:
Lets pretend there is no internet and no possible ways to copy or physically steal. With that said I pose my hypothetical question:
For the things that you're pirating, would you purchase them if there was no means of obtaining them for free? | |
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| | throttling might as well just cut off the service if its gonna be throttled. education on copyright is fine, but not everyone cares about the industry or their copyrights. | |
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·TekSavvy DSL
| They should stop thinking like it is still the 20th century You can't stop piracy, people have been stealing since we left the trees and made things that could be stolen.
The current problem is the authorities are fighting a 21st century problem with 20th century thinking that isn't even late 20th century methods.
They should just stop writing laws that can't be enforced anyway, which is essentially just a pointless means of keeping a good law education worthwhile.
Businesses should just start thinking up ways to sell digital data (and it's only a problem for digital data, because copywrite laws work just fine for physical items), in ways that can acknowledge and ignore the fact that some will steal rather than buy the data.
And if I could write down 5 good ways to do this, of course I'd first find a way to prove I had thought them up first
Movies for instance, find better ways to get them in the hands of people who would rather a legit copy or viewing and simply make it easy enough. I think if Netflix was one of many providers, they could likely seriously beat up lost sales problems.
But Hollywood still worships the dumb idea that a movie absolutely must be enjoyed in a theatre where you buy outrageously expensive popcorn, and then have to pay for it on a disc in an over priced fashion.
Nope, all we need is high performance streams to our rather large TV screens. When I was a kid, a 'large' TV was something close to 21 inches. Sure the theatre likely was better for some grand films. But today, my 40 inch HD tv is considered increasingly on the smallish side. I can't even give away 27 inch CRT tvs.
Some people will always steal. But not all of us will. Give me access to a video library of every movie ever made (we all know they can amass that), AND make it easy to stream onto my TV and you'd be surprised at how interested I'd be.
Granted, it likely would kill cable TV stations, but who cares, those businesses are fast becoming worthless as well.
Music hah don't make me laugh. You won't find all that many adults downloading today's garbage. I don't want today's music for free let alone pay for it. I think the RIAA needs to get a grip. | |
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| | This will last as long as the ISPs spend more time in courts You can bet that the ISPs will give up once they are spending more time in courts for trying to help the studios. Once all the innocent people start sueing the ISPs for the intent to not provide quality of service as promised in the agrement to provide the service paid for.
This BS law that allows a company to alter ones paid service for alegedly pirating sure breaks the constitution "Inoccent till proven guilty in a court of Law" till that happens no ISP has the right to alter even terminate service. atleast till offical criminal charges have been laid can authorities then can have the ISP suspend ones account till the outcome of a trial. | |
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Should the accused pay if innocent?
1) At least lawmakers have not passed a law requiring consumers to pay a fixed fee to copyright control for their broadband connection. In the past consumers were charged for each music quality cassettes and Music CD ROM encoded to allow use on consumer music Recorders.