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Always 180 Degrees Out-of-Phase
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Smithtown, NY
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| VZW Did It So why not AT&T? They all follow each other.
I just hope no one ever does away with free nights and weekends or mobile to mobile. Then phone expenses will get out of control like they were 10 years ago when you paid 19.99 a month for 30 minutes....  | |
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timcuth
Braves Fan
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join:2000-09-18
Pelham, AL
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| Re: VZW Did It The only reason rates didn't stay the way they were 10-15 years ago is competition. And, IMHO, competition is starting to dwindle, mostly because of mergers. When they think they have enough control over the market, they will start trying to increase prices, again.
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karlmarx
join:2006-09-18
Nashua, NH
·Fairpoint Communic..
| Re: VZW Did It Wait, technology is cheaper than it was 5 years ago. Yet they still want to raise prices? Why is that? Because they are almost a monpoloy (triopoly). Verizon, now AT&T, my guess is sprint won't be far behind.
This isn't a true capitalist society. The reason these monopolies exist is that the US has become a merchantilist society, where the megacorps control the producting and distribtion of wealth through subsidies, state control and monopolies. If we were a true capitalist society, then you and your neighbor could start up a wireless cell phone provider, provide better service and lower prices. The fact of the matter is that the capital outlay required to build this means the megacorps will ALWAYS go back to the monopoly theory, which means they can raise prices and impose limits that a true capitalist society would never be subject to.
The solution, of course, is to break them up, AGAIN.
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S_engineer
join:2007-05-16
Chicago, IL
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| Re: VZW Did It Breaking them up again is not the solution. This would only lead to another clustrf### of Sunrockets, Adelphias, McCleods, and other 2 bit companies that steal, pillage, and run or go out of business. Furthermore, if we were a true capitalist society, then we wouldn't have the USF subsidizing PEOPLE throughout this country. Now doesn't that go against your Marxist hero?
Goes both ways slick, also remember how many people those evil Corporations employ, not to mention the tax revenue from those people and the business itself!
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timcuth
Braves Fan
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join:2000-09-18
Pelham, AL
clubs: | Re: VZW Did It Corporations don't pay taxes. Well, they do, but it is all passed along to their customers.
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S_engineer
join:2007-05-16
Chicago, IL | Re: VZW Did It Your joking right....or were you the genius behind the dead guy check cashing attempt yesterday?
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CylonRed
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join:2000-07-06
Bloom County | There has never been a true pure capitalist society... | |
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OSUGoose
join:2007-12-27
Columbus, OH
clubs: | Dont Do It. At&t dont be stupid and do this, its one of the main reasons you have some of your data/pda customers. I know i will leave or downgrade my service, if you pull this. | |
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| russotto
join:2000-10-05
Collegeville, PA | Re: Dont Do It. They don't want customers who have the service because they really need true unlimited data; those customers are costing them money. They DO want customers who think they need unlimited data but actually don't use all that much. | |
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AR
Premium,ExMod 2001-04
join:2000-09-21
Toronto, ON
1 edit | Re: Dont Do It. But the latter customer will not order a wide array of data products either.
The guy who uses a lot of data will most likely order a lot of content and varied data products (upsell opportunities)- that will provide additional revenue streams. | |
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verolom
join:2002-03-23
Eagleville, PA | Asking AT&T not to be stupid is asking the impossible. | |
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| ImBatman
join:2004-04-21
Lancaster, CA
| said by OSUGoose  :At&t dont be stupid and do this, its one of the main reasons you have some of your data/pda customers. I know i will leave or downgrade my service, if you pull this. Isn't AT&T the shortest and most accurate definition of stupid?
I'm pretty sure I found a dictionary or thesaurus that had AT&T as the number one definition/word.   | |
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xenophon
join:2007-09-17 | How to lose customers Verizon lost a lot of data card customers to Sprint (see evdoforums.com) due to the cap. Seems like ATT/Verizon are struggling with capacity while Sprint is not. Sprint also shows better performance than both. | |
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| BuzzDar
join:2006-01-28
West Frankfort, IL
·magicjack.com
| Re: How to lose customers The only people that are complaining about the data cap are the people that are streaming music, movies and/or people downloading lots and lots of stuff every day. I check my mail surf the web can do just about anything i want that is LEGAL or within the T.O.S. and never even come close to using that much. | |
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join:2007-09-17
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2 edits | Re: How to lose customers It's somewhat easy to go over 5GB legally (on data cards, not phones). But it's not the fact that many don't go over 5GB, it's the concern of the cap that has caused many to switch to Sprint. The bottom line is that many are actually switching. According to evdoforums.com, Verizon used to outsell Sprint (in data cards) before the cap, now Sprint outsells Verizon 2:1. | |
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timcuth
Braves Fan
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join:2000-09-18
Pelham, AL
clubs: | Re: How to lose customers Yep, I use about 5 MB on my phone each month and I feel like I use it a lot. I cannot conceive how I would use over 5 GB on a cell phone.
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huntml
join:2002-01-23
Mullica Hill, NJ
·Comcast
| Re: How to lose customers I activated a new Sprint Moto Q9c on 24DEC07, and as of this writing it's logged 1145797 KB of lifetime data usage, all in accordance with Sprint's TOS.
Sprint's data is an awesome deal compared to the other carriers, and only getting better -- I pay $30/mo for *truly* unlimited data, unlimited SMS, navigation, and also get access to the basic 'SprintTV' offerings, though I think the video offerings from the wireless carriers are pretty hoky and gimmicky and not worth paying for.
I am actually glad VZW has tightened its data usage policies/increased its data rates (no more per-minute billing for data, which allowed a lot of users to use their data services in a somewhat unlimited fashion during nights/weekends) and now ATTM appears to be following suit. Sprint has been bleeding customers for awhile now, especially iDEN (Nextel) customers, and becoming an even more superior choice for mobile data services can only help it. | |
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join:2003-05-19
San Luis Obispo, CA
1 edit | Re: How to lose customers Not to mention, roaming on Verizon's network when needed.
I've used Sprint's data package since 11/18/07 on a Motorola V3m, and I'm VERY impressed with their service. Sprint is the ONLY offering of 3G service in San Luis Obispo, CA. And it's impressive. Their basic data package ($15.00) includes NFL network on their Sprint TV package. Not bad, as my local Cable Co. doesn't offer NFL network, and it's rather cool to be at my local watering hole watch'in NFL network on my phone. Yes, it's a gimmic, but..I like it. CNN on-the-go, any one? Fox news-on-the-go? You have it.
Sprint, IMHO-has their shyt together for 3G offering in the U.S. ATT? I've checked your website-No-Go in SLO county. Verizon Wireless? SSDD-you offer 3G in Monterey County-NOT in San Luis Obispo/Santa Barbara County. You do though in Ventura county. What's yure problem there, Verizon. It's why I bailed from Verizon over a year ago. SSDD.
P.S. And I don't worry about download cap's-current there isn't any with Sprint's data package. | |
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join:2006-01-28
West Frankfort, IL | Re: How to lose customers i would say check your T O S because i bet just because you can DO IT dont mean you are suppose to. | |
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ptrowski
Got Helix?
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join:2005-03-14
Putnam, CT
clubs: | Re: How to lose customers My Blackberry has GPS also and they made it a huge point to remind me of that. Thank god my car has it built in. | |
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huntml
join:2002-01-23
Mullica Hill, NJ
·Comcast
| said by djrobx :Unless you're a cab driver or pizza delivery guy I can't imagine you need to use your GPS THAT often. You forget that GPS/mapping apps also have real-time traffic. For those of us with long commutes the ability to see traffic info in real time is more important than the mapping capability. Now that I have a phone with integrated GPS I basically turn it on every time I get in the car, just so the traffic function can warn me of anything I need to avoid. | |
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join:2007-09-17
·Sprint Mobile Broa..
| Re: How to lose customers Right, and since the user/tower ratio is better for Sprint, they have better performance and more capacity to allow truly unlimited. As Sprint migrates data card users to WiMAX, load will be taken off the EVDO network, allowing for even more capacity on phones.
But this shouldn't be a concern for ATT phone users, just laptop card users. Sprint appears to be winning when it comes to data card users in performance, capacity and with no limitations. | |
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@myvzw.com | Re: How to lose customers And don't forget that as Sprint continues to lose customers due to more defections, capacity will also increase this way.
No, seriously, how many VZW/ATT data users have moved over to Sprint? Do you have any real figures? | |
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wruckman
Ruckman.net
join:2007-10-25
Northwood, OH | At it again Looks like they are at it again. Trying to gouge the customer. They must think they can get away with anything. | |
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tmc8080
join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY | iphone we barely knew ya.. so long iphone... let me tell you people won't be lined up around the block this time once at&t f..., I mean screws up their service plans even more.. | |
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IanR
join:2001-03-22
Madison, NJ | and soon unlimited contracts will become... ... limited as AT&T customers leave in droves.
Come on AT&T everyone who wants your iphone has one so this is not the time to beat uup on your customers... Still what should one expect of a company using the AT&T name. Service? Forgetaboutit. | |
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| ImBatman
join:2004-04-21
Lancaster, CA
| Re: and soon unlimited contracts will become... said by IanR :... limited as AT&T customers leave in droves. Come on AT&T everyone who wants your iphone has one so this is not the time to beat uup on your customers... Still what should one expect of a company using the AT&T name. Service? Forgetaboutit. Are they still using the AT&T name this month? | |
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ninjatutle
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join:2006-01-02
San Ramon, CA | Affecting heavy tethering users? So is this what their aiming at? The rumor doesnt say anything about the people who have the data card service. | |
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deadzoned
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join:2005-04-13
Baton Rouge, LA
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| I wonder I wonder if this will have any affects on the wi-fi side with the I-Phone? Seems like a pretty big change that at&t is talking about here. Do they really have that much of a problem with their system that they need to impose caps on everyone?
Wake up and upgrade your networks at&t! I hate how the phone/cable businesses in the U.S. decide that rather than innovate they will just cut back on existing services instead.
Honestly, it's simple supply and demand. If the consumer is using more, you upgrade your capacity to meet the demand. Instead they go backwards and go from unlimited to 5gb a month cap. Stupid. It impacts the consumer negatively and in the long run it's going to come back to haunt them anyway since they will eventually have to increase capacity through network upgrades anyway.
Hardly shocking I guess. I need to make sure I let my mother know about this since she's kind of going crazy right now with her new I-Phone. She's going to guide dog school for a month and she is planning to use the I-Phone as her primary source of Internet/E-Mail needs. She might hit that cap rather quickly if she's not using wi-fi all of the time. | |
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| jvanbrecht
join:2007-01-08
Bowie, MD | Re: I wonder This will not effect the iphone, even at full data rates, running 24/7 the edge phones would not hit 5GB | |
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NightHawke
join:2002-02-28
Rockport, TX
| When AT&T Does Give That Nudge... they are going to get a punch in the mouth for it.
They need to rethink their strategy on this real quick if they are going to retain any of their wireless broadband clientèle.
I'd hate to see my Sprint EVDO service get overloaded with custies defecting from the Evil Empire, but I do say, WELCOME!
Of course, this kind of change may invalidate a large number of contracts, so if I were Joe Consumerist on their service, I'd be digging for that clause. | |
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joker5656
join:2006-06-23
Greenville, SC
·Charter Pipeline
| Can Someone Shed some light "Assuming these looming changes are true, AT&T may want to start removing the word unlimited from their advertising material."
Assuming they do start doing this, isn't it pretty much bait and switch? please correct me if i'm wrong but i would like to know. And what about those people that already bought one months ago under the assumption that the plan was free? Seems to be bait and switch. i see legal battles if someone can prove bait and switch. | |
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jgkolt
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join:2004-02-21
Lakewood, OH
clubs: | 5 gig cap even with tethering clause? I wonder | |
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benc
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join:2007-06-17
Glen Carbon, IL
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| To Those Who Talked About Data Cards.... ...did any of you click the link in the article? What they were talking about was PDA data.
I don't think they were talking about what plan you'd get for USB/PCCard/ExpressCard/mini-PCI data cards. For that you'd get "Data Connect," instead of "PDA Personal Max."
On the Cingular site, there's a distinction between "PDA Personal" and "Data Connect."
The PDA Personal Max (Unlimited data + 1,500 SMS) costs $45/line extra.
The PDA Personal Max w/Tethering (Unlimited Data + 1,500 SMS) costs $85/line extra.
The Data Connect (Unlimited Data, no SMS, standalone) costs $60.
Although, I'd like to know if this includes "tethering" plans, which to me seem similar to "Data Connect."
As for PDA Personal Max w/ Tethering, I think they should offer a choice with no SMS. It'd be silly to get 1,500 SMS in conjunction with SMS block, but if I wanted a Phone/PDA with Internet I'd do just that. | |
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smogrady
join:2003-06-17
Chicago, IL | January 21st or 22nd We were shopping for data plans yesterday. The rep at an "authorized dealer" said new rate plans will come out the 21st or 22nd of January. | |
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grumpy3b
join:2001-12-11
Lompoc, CA
·DSL EXTREME
·Millenicom
| Wording is everything... I suspect many people are reading phrases something along the lines of "unlimited web browsing" as if it means "unlimited data transfer" Or some simliar wordplay on the part of AT&T it gives them an out when penializing people who actually do lots of LEGAL data movement.
If comes down to what is the difference...is streaming part of web browsing? Is watching a season of Heroes on the NBC site a violation of the TOS limiting the type of traffic or is it part of web browsing?
It will ultimately be yet another court decision...again...cripes this is an hours thing anymore and it is because they make more over the time things are in doubt then it costs to fight the matter in court. And who knows they might win one. And judges do not seem to really comprehend the numbers involved when settling the matters and assigning fines. a company like AT&T deals with billions daily worldwide. Sow what if the spend $5M on defense and then $10M on any fines & settlements...BFD...they made a few BILLION (or whatever) over that period. | |
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| Jerkface
join:2005-06-05
Washington, NJ | Re: Wording is everything... It is official. They are implementing a 5gb cap. I am holding the plan in my hand right now. | |
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join:2001-12-11
Lompoc, CA
·DSL EXTREME
·Millenicom
| Re: Wording is everything... bummer!! I went with Millenicom (Basically Sprint EVDO w/o a contract and a free Frankin USB Modem). No caps at all...umlimited data of any sort for $50/mo...
BTW, careful how you hold that "plan" in your right hand...it might constitute a violation of the AT&T TOS.  | |
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Mitzi
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| Does this mean that the new data plan I just contracted for with unlimited m2m & the $20 data plan isn't unlimited? (signed about 2 weeks ago) Or does it mean that new people will have a 5 gb limit? I was assured my data plan was unlimited.
Another question that I can't seem to get clear. I know it's answered above but I couldn't really understand the answer.
1>My son has an iphone in Arkansas. I have an iphone in Texas. We both have the $20 data plan and unlimited m2m. When he and I text each other, does it knock off of each of our 200 minutes?
2> Also, if someone texts me, whether on the network or not, are minutes deducted out of my 200 minutes as well?
I'm new to the data/phone world and I can't find these answers at ATT. I didn't want the iphone particularly, and certainly didn't want a contract with att, but my co-workers took up a collection & bought the phone for me, and I, feeling beholden to them, felt I needed to activate it. (they didn't offer to pay the monthly bill) I'm wishing now I hadn't activated it, though the phone is pretty fun.
btw, you can't get a prepaid plan when activating if you qualify for the 2 year contract, I tried. I hate cell phone contracts and now I have one. I don't want to look a gift horse in the mouth but I'm not sure they knew the trouble they were causing for me. I'll gripe about it here, I don't want them to know I'm a little aggravated and though the phone is snazzy, I don't think it's worth the headaches that I've already had, and now I'm worried & stuck.
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