Untethered Jailbreak Arrives for iPhone 4S, iPad 2 'Absinthe A5' Tool Arrives for Apple Owners
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1 edit |  AT&T & Verizon with caps, overage fees should allow tether
So, AT&T and Verizon will get their money anyway, and without all the time and effort of tracking down those tethering by using jailbroken phones. I'm all for the telcos making money, but in this case they will anyway and with lower costs due to not having to ID illegal tethering. | |
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Mount Airy, MD | Re: AT&T & Verizon with caps, overage fees should allow tether said by Romney2012:I really don't understand why AT&T and Verizon with their caps & overage fees just doesn't allow tethering. It is because they can. Who else will any disgruntled user go to for tethering with no fee? Verizon?
And no, I don't consider Sprint, T-Mobile, Virgin, etc. to be legitimate competitors.
But I agree, if there's going to be caps and overage charges, there should be no tethering fee.
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| | | BiggA
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EARTH | Re: AT&T & Verizon with caps, overage fees should allow tether Exactly. Well, now it's not an issue anymore, at least for those in the know. And it really never has been on Android, as that's easy to root and get Wifi tethering. | |
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Mount Airy, MD | Re: AT&T & Verizon with caps, overage fees should allow tether said by djrobx:It's still very much an issue. AT&T has some method of detecting tethering. More and more apps are blocking jailbroken devices as well (see DirecTV iPad app, for example).
I'm not sure how an app detects a jailbroken device, but as for detecting tethering, I remember reading somewhere, though I cannot find the link, that something in the network packets sent out by Windows, at least at the IP layer, is distinct from those sent by the iPhone. Conventional tethering passes those packets out to the network without modification, and that is how AT&T and Verizon can bust people for tethering. I'm pretty sure that just using a lot of data on an unlimited plan is not the sole trigger for them to accuse someone of tethering.
The app PDAnet addresses this concern by altering the packets coming into the iPhone from tethered devices. Google "PDAnet Level 2 tether" for more information.
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| |  N3OGHYo Soy Col. "Bat" GuanoPremium
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kudos:1 | Only time I ever tethered with my Droid on Verizon was when I was someplace without WiFi nearby or other broadband option. An example being my last vacation in the Poconos. We stayed at a lake house with no broadband. All I wanted to do was reply to some emails on a full size keyboard and check a few web sites. I wasn't going anywhere near my cap (I have a grandfathered plan with VZW anyway, so it does not matter).
VZW's coverage where we were was spotty at best anyway (outside Hawley, PA). A friend of mine recently purchased a place on the other side of the lake that has better coverage, all be it roaming coverage.
I have an iPhone now, so short of jail breaking I'm not going to be tethering just for a few times a year. I'll just use the phone.
Better yet, I'll tell them the sucker don't work up the lake, throw it in my bag, grab a Corona, and hit the lake & the boat.
Such a good time. I can't wait to hit the lake this summer! 
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| Re: AT&T & Verizon with caps, overage fees should allow tether This JB is about 2 days late for me. Have you ever tried to use the wifi at hotels? It's garbage. The wifi available at the Sheraton Perimiter in Atlanta was only really usable at 4am this week. Doing speed tests at this time revealed that they most likely had us sharing a single T1 (1.4/1.4). That's right, blazing 1.5mbps speeds to be shared by the hundreds of of the hotel's occupants.
My iPhone, however, was showing 10mbps down and 1.5mbps up when wifi wasn't able to pull more than .2mbps. I would even have paid for tethering at this point, but with AT&T, they will not sell you tethering and let you keep your unlimited account.
Tethering fees are a scam anyway. It's the equivalent of a Cable/DSL provider charging you more because you're plugged into a wifi router instead of directly to a PC. As more and more devices want mobile data, (iPad, iPhone, in-car traffic/entertainment systems, Kindles, portable game systems, etc) we need a standard for sharing data we're paying for. Wifi personal hotspot will do. And, we need to not be gouged for using it. Paying another $30 per connected device is BS.
Capped plans specify how much data I can use, and what the penalties are for going over. There is no logical explanation why they need to charge me more for connecting a secondary device other than pure greed.
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| | | | | pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium
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Mount Airy, MD | Re: AT&T & Verizon with caps, overage fees should allow tether said by djrobx:Tethering fees are a scam anyway. It's the equivalent of a Cable/DSL provider charging you more because you're plugged into a wifi router instead of directly to a PC. Oh man... remember those days? All the broadband ISPs used to do that.
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| | | | | | | |  Re: AT&T & Verizon with caps, overage fees should allow tether
said by pnh102:said by djrobx:Tethering fees are a scam anyway. It's the equivalent of a Cable/DSL provider charging you more because you're plugged into a WiFi router instead of directly to a PC. Oh man... remember those days? All the broadband ISPs used to do that. I don't ever remember being charged for being connected to the router instead of directly to a PC. The problems with routers came if you had to contact them for support. The second they saw a router, they would blame the problem on it. You would have to take the router out of the equation if you want them to troubleshoot any further. My ISP (Cablevision/Optimum) does it now as well, unless you have a router issued by them.
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| Hawley, PA doesn't have Verizon, because they are not licensed to operate there, at least as of two months ago, that's probably why the service sucks. They did buy out the local provider and roaming partner, Cellular One, and are going to bring their network up to Verizon standards.
Yeah, hotel internet is often pathetic.
If you don't care about any grandfathered plans, then AT&T finding out that you're tethering is a non-issue, as you can just switch back to a lower plan if they switch you to the tethering plan, and there's nothing they can do about it except play games with you. | |
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| said by Romney2012:I really don't understand why AT&T and Verizon with their caps & overage fees just doesn't allow tethering. Those who tether will use more bandwidth and will end up paying more money as they dip in to the overages. not having to ID illegal tethering. Yes, it is odd that the Canadian carriers have figured that out. Rogers, for example, allows tethering right out of the box. Tethering causes users to use more data and incur overages.
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| said by Romney2012:And for those AT&T users still on unlimited plans, they don't have caps, but they do have throttling if they go above about 3GB anyway.
No they don't, I did just over 5GB last month and no throttle. Im at just over 3GB now and still getting full speeds (well for this time of night, still can hit 6Mbps late at night).
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| Not sure I really see the point of JB'ing just for tethering copying my price breakdown chart from another post:
Less than Amount/month, Old cost, New cost
* = you pay more under new plan
on "grandma plan":
200MB, 15, 20*
300MB, 30, 20
above this you're crazy if you don't bump up your plan
on "middle plan":
2GB, 25, 30*
3GB, 35, 30
4GB, 45, 40
on "high plan" (includes tethering for free)
4GB, 45, 50*
5GB, 55, 50
6GB, 65, 60
7GB, 75, 70
8GB, 85, 80
and so on...
Conclusion is JB'ing to get tethering is only financially rewarding if you use more than 300MB/month and less than 4GB/month. If you use 4GB or more/month you'll want to be on the plan that includes officially sanctioned tethering anyway, because you'll pay less. and even if you are in that zone, you're only saving 20 bucks a month and running the risk of warranty violation on the phone, malware from your unmanaged app stores, and AT&T slapping the higher plan on you anyway. | |
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Orange, CT | Re: Not sure I really see the point of JB'ing just for tethering said by MyDogHsFleas:"...malware from your unmanaged app stores"
Find me one piece of malware in Cydia and you win a prize.
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| | | | | Re: Not sure I really see the point of JB'ing just for tethering I think his point is since anybody can write an app for Cydia and straight upload it without a need for pre-approval, you can never be sure if someone won't embed a malicious code. It does not have to slow down your phone or break Android. | |
| | | | | | Re: Not sure I really see the point of JB'ing just for tethering Why even bother with a malicious app, just release something you claim to be a jailbreak app and people will download and use it in droves. | |
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2 edits | Re: Not sure I really see the point of JB'ing just for tethering said by richardak:Why even bother with a malicious app, just release something you claim to be a jailbreak app and people will download and use it in droves.
Where is your proof this is malware? Same thing can be said about the stuff released to root android phones. | |
| | | | | | | | Re: Not sure I really see the point of JB'ing just for tethering He has no proof, just the hot air out of his ass and the mods don't seem to care if they troll, so lets have a troll partay! | |
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| | | | This Absinthe A5 thing is malware. And just watch how many people will download it and use it, without even thinking about the consequences. Don't come crying here when your MMO account is stolen, or you find a bunch of high dollar charges on your Credit Card. | |
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2 edits | Re: Not sure I really see the point of JB'ing just for tethering said by richardak:This Absinthe A5 thing is malware. And just watch how many people will download it and use it, without even thinking about the consequences. Don't come crying here when your MMO account is stolen, or you find a bunch of high dollar charges on your Credit Card.
Where is your proof this is malware? Same thing can be said about the stuff released to root android phones. | |
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kudos:4 | $80 for 8GB? Yikes! I pay $20 less for 10GB of 42Mb 4g. | |
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| Re: Not sure I really see the point of JB'ing just for tethering said by djdanska:$80 for 8GB? Yikes! I pay $20 less for 10GB of 42Mb 4g.
What carrier/service, I'm curious. | |
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| Re: Not sure I really see the point of JB'ing just for tethering said by djdanska:T-Mobile.
The advantage of carriers like verizon and at&t is a larger 3g/4g network. You get more coverage, but costs more. I don't ever leave the coverage much so it works. Everybody's milage may vary.
This is what i get on a saturday night across the street from University of North Carolina in Wilmington NC.(why its slow)
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Interesting, looks like T-Mobile is at a $6/GB price point. Do you have a breakdown of their plan costs at different levels like I have for AT&T? | |
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the risk of warranty violation on the phone
Why do people pedal that poor excuse not to jailbreak? ‘Oh No’s, not my warranty!!!!!’ You do realize all you have to do is go into iTunes and click on Restore iPhone and within minutes you’ll be back to factory state and no one will ever know you jailbroke your iPhone in the off chance you’ll have to take your phone in for service. | |
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| Re: Not sure I really see the point of JB'ing just for tethering said by Steve Mehs: quote:
the risk of warranty violation on the phone
Why do people pedal that poor excuse not to jailbreak? ‘Oh No’s, not my warranty!!!!!’ You do realize all you have to do is go into iTunes and click on Restore iPhone and within minutes you’ll be back to factory state and no one will ever know you jailbroke your iPhone in the off chance you’ll have to take your phone in for service. That's fair. Another thing I forgot to mention is that my company allows iPhones to access their network (which I do) but forbids jail-broken phones. | |
| | | | | | Re: Not sure I really see the point of JB'ing just for tethering said by MyDogHsFleas:That's fair. Another thing I forgot to mention is that my company allows iPhones to access their network (which I do) but forbids jail-broken phones.
How would they know? So long as you don't have SSH installed, there wouldn't be any way to detect it. (In a BYOD situation) | |
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kudos:4 | Re: Not sure I really see the point of JB'ing just for tethering Edit, disregard | |
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| They are working with Apple (as I'm sure other enterprise level companies are) to figure out how to do this, which will allow them to certify the iPhone for production use on the corporate network. The iPhone is weak on "enterprise level security" type solutions, like we have on Windows with things like the Symantec and Norton products, that do automatic configuration checks, and malware and virus protection.
Apple has the basics of this now, with the ability to create a required profile that can mandate things like having a lock on the iPhone that requires a strong passphrase to unlock the phone, but they need a bit more. The ability to detect jailbreak is one of those items. | |
| | | | | |  ptrowskiGot Helix?Premium
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kudos:4 | Re: Not sure I really see the point of JB'ing just for tethering Our company is the same way, no jailbroken phones on their network. It's detected and automatically not allowed. | |
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