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Update on the Treo 600
by justin Friday 27-Feb-2004 tags: hardware
A while ago I wrote a review of the Treo 600, the hottest phone/pda tech gadget of late 2003 due in part to glowing reviews from tech columnists who'd been given advance units.

Three months later, T-mobile users are only just getting their units, Sprint customers have had theirs for a while, and Cingular customers a little less than Sprint. Has it worn well over the time?

In brief, the negatives I reported from my initial experience with the unit were: screen legibility in sunlight, keyboard usability and poor camera quality. Now I've lived with the device for longer I am a little clearer on what is right, and wrong, with the unit.

Screen

Buying and attaching a screen protector / contrast enhancer 10 buck piece of plastic did little for legibility in daylight. The Treo 600 is NOT a device for using outdoors for long periods. The backlit screen struggles in anything but a very shady spot. For the price, the device should come with the newer active/passive color screens that harness bright light outdoors yet are still back-lit indoors. Worse, the color resolution of the screen is low, making uploaded or snapped snapshots unpleasant to look at. Which brings us to the ..

Camera

My initial comments was that the camera was bad. Well, as people pointed out, the camera takes acceptable pictures in bright sunlight.

But terrible pictures in low light

As the screen is so poor in color resolution, showing people pictures, or setting one as a "background" is not satisfactory at all.

Connectivity

The Treo 600 is all about connectivity, right? Not so fast. There are a few unexpected drawbacks. Ok, the Treo has an SD slot, so it can accept WiFi and Bluetooth SD cards! Yes?

No Wifi

The Treo is apparently unable to power any SD-sized WiFi cards. The reasons seem unclear but relate to the design of these first run units not rated for the kinds of power the SD wifi cards offer. Without WiFi you are limited to whatever data services are available with your cellular plan. Any bundled plans that inclue WiFi hotspot access are useless unless you also own a laptop with wifi.

No Bluetooth

Unexpectedly, the Treo 600 Palm 5.xx OS also does not ship with any Bluetooth-SD card capability. There are a number of Bluetooth SD cards that fit into less capable phones for desktop communication and for wireless headsets. The Treo 600 is so far stranded with no capability to use these devices.
Rumors of a Treo 610, with BT support, are on message boards. Such a move would be a poke in the eye for early Treo 600 adopters. What are we going to do? shell out another 500 bucks to add something that should have been there to begin with?

Push email still an adventure

if you devote significant portions of your life to camping treo 600 message boards, you may discover some people having luck with Imchatter which offers some degree of email functionality other than "wake up every 30 minutes to ask your pop server if there is any new email". Nevertheless, the Treo screen, keyboard, and lack of a scroll wheel, mean high volume email receivers and senders will NOT find email nirvana.

Data and Voice together - no

At least in the GSM version of the Treo, if you are in data mode, the Treo will quietly send calls to voice mail. This is function of the GPRS class the device implements, and was a design choice. A more expensive design could have supported simultaneous voice and data.

Despite full TCP connectivity potential, network aware applications lack

The combination of slow GPRS speeds (slower than 56k modem) and absolutely terrible network latency (T-mobile - other carriers may be slightly better), means my dream of using a system admin console while out and about, is deferred until 2005. US GPRS as implemented by T-mobile (and shared with Cingular) is still very unreliable with dodgy DNS servers (site not found!), or no connection at all, with no explanation and no live status reports on t-mobile support pages. Pulling your Treo out to google for an address gets old quickly if one time in three the GPRS network proves to be totally unresponsive. As a t-mobile customer for years, I am convinced that they do not know how to run reliable SMS and GSM add-on services. They still seem to consider such services as "experimental" and thus are too relaxed when one of their internal servers falls over.

Network based hotsync

The Treo 600 does not document that it is capable of network based hotsync. By various incantations you can convince the Treo 600 to establish a connection to your home machine, while out and about, and sync to your desktop. With better documentation for this, the feature may have been a big plus for many Palm users with sync-addiction. The google cache for this procedure is here the original article is here but was down when I checked.

Conclusion

I'm keeping the Treo 600 for now because the keyboard is useful for SMS, the phone is a palm device and a number of diverting palm applications and databases can be downloaded easily (I play bejeweled on the subway to pass the time). But overall, I feel the device falls short of the expectation set by early reviewers and barring some *significant* software/firmware updates, the Treo 600 does not deserve its informal status as the "ultimate PDA-Phone-data combo". A basic color screen samsung clamshell on AT&T has more mobile data capabilities, and operates on a much faster data network, than the Treo does on either T-mobile or Cingular. A pocket PC or Wifi capable Clie is also more of a device for an Internet addict, than the Treo 600.

PalmOne recently said to the press the Treo 600 was the key to their future. If this is the case, they better have a new version in the wings that corrects all these drawbacks, otherwise their future is not going to be so assured.

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hubba hubba

The Treo 600 doesn't make me feel so bad about my sony clie tj-25. I just love how I can't play any movies or enjoy games as there's no sound except for beeps and blips.

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T-Mobile data is very new for them still

their data services are still not really ironed out... even they admit this... with horrible 200~1000ms latency guaranteed and speeds that only make 14.4kbps modems jealous its not exactly something to write home about...

even their billing systems are not really working 100%

t-mobile's billing system has a habbit of "dropping" the 19.95 unlimited data service and charge away for data, last months bill weighed in at around $800

an hour of speaking to their data-techs and it was fixed... amazingly their tech support for data really knows what they are talking about... and they arnt outsourced to india, a nice suprise

give t-mobile and the other carriers time, they will eventually figure out that data service is something that more and more people are going to want... and hopefully t-mobile will keep their data service unlimited and affordable... as i find i hardly ever use minuets on my plan as its just easier to whip out my iPaq and send an email or hop on AIM using my sierra AirCard 750... and i can use my iPaq as a phone if needed with the sierra software and a headset, or i can take out the sim card and pop it into my motorolla 722i

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Sprint data

I have a friend with one on Sprint's service. The sprint coverage is pretty good around here, TMobile is pretty much non-existant(I don't know one single person with a TMobile phone around here). The guy won't shut up about the thing. He loves it. I played with it a little bit, surfed the web, etc...I'm jealous now!

i3tmobiledt

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Ulmtd Data buffet!

I have the t-mobile ulmtd data plan and I love it. Although it isn't as reliable as my DSL connection (which I don't expect it to be since it's two different technologies), I think it's fair to say that T-Mobile is giving their customers what they pay for. It's unlimited data for 19.95!!! I used to have another carrier and they wanted me to pay close to $100 for 20 MB of data. The spam itself ate up 10MB in a couple of days.

In fact, you could say that spammers made me switch to T-Mobile... uhmmmm... (also, I have the T-Mobile Pocket PC, which I think it's wayyyy cooler than any device running Palm OS). Now all we need is for T-Mobile to release the Pocket PC 2 (a.k.a XDA 2) in the US, and I'll be the happiest mofo in the land!

Cue79

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My T600 on Sprint.. good stuff

Let me first say that I do agree with several points the review made... specifically those of the camera quality and lores screen. Both certainly leave room for improvement. I cannot agree with the data services comments however, and as the reviewer did point out, is biased towards the gsm network he is on.

I can honestly say that on Sprints network, my abillity as an admin at several different companies becomes MUCH easier with my phone. For the average user, the phone certainly has ups and downs. For the admin, its great.

By using pptp vpn software, and limiting my firewalls to only allow Sprint IPs thru for pptp authentication (no ipsec util available for palm os 5 yet) I can get onto a Natted network, and remote admin servers with either palmvnc (which works quite well despite screen res) or mobile ts (which works ehh ).

Granted, I'm not going to sit there and write scripts on my palm, but for the quick check or the emergency, its there and it works.

Bluetooth would be a very nice addition for the phone, but frankly the mini-retractable USB cables out there do the job very well. Moreover, they charge the unit when plugged into a laptop.

The point of the comments was basically to say that the T600 is a MAJOR step in the right direction. It's certainly better then my 6035, or that monster of a Hitachi phone that Sprint offers. Just my 5 cents.

By the way, this comment was written on my T600... just fyi!

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Re: My T600 on Sprint.. good stuff

Just have to comment on T-Mobile -- God their data network sucks. I don't have a pda, just a lil nokia 3595 and on a good day I'll have to resubmit page requests on GPRS every 5th request or so. Bad days you can forget about any browsing. I almost went all out and got a PDA+data plan from them - gosh am I glad I didnt now!

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Treo Vs. BlackBerry

Sounds like the BlackBerry is still ahead. It doesn't do as much, but it's really good at what it DOES do.

Brett

cue79

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Re: Treo Vs. BlackBerry

I would have to disagree. The Treo does a lot more then the BBerry.. The phone functionality is way out ahead of the BBerry's and the ability to actually work on real Word Docs and the like, as well as storing real files and such make it great. I would highly suggest checking out www.goodlink.com and see what they show for the Treo. I personally have not used GoodLink, but I have heard that it's as good as it looks on the web.

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Re: Treo Vs. BlackBerry

said by cue79:
The Treo does a lot more then the BBerry
It sure does, but it doesn't do ANYTHING vert well. Blackberry, whil limitied, is excellent at what it does!

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Update trying to use imchatter

Yes, we have a "world class" application here.

new accounts are processed manually, by an email to the developer.

quote:

Hello, Chatterers.

I will be away until March 9, 2004. Requests for new accounts will, therefore, be held until that
time. If there is something requiring immediate attention, send mail to (xxx), which I
will be checking from time to time.

Please pardon the inconvenience.

Marc

Consider that, if you decide to use this solution to "fix" email on the Treo, you are probably piping your message via an enthusiasts server located who-knows-where.

MRNVGVUP

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Re: Update trying to use imchatter

I'll stick with my Jornada 568 and Nokia phone.

Tall guy so my pockets hold the two just nicely.

Throw in my I.R. modem and Targus keyboard (and data cable)... all is good.

I would like to see this unit:

DV Camcorder (loaded with one of those .85 Toshiba 4 gig drives) built around/into a digital phone/PDA.

Now, that would make me at least...

Drool.

peace

Treo600 User

@roylok01.mi.comcast.

No Going Back

The Treo 600 is not perfect, but it's a good start toward a great melting of two technologies. It can only get better. You will not see me carrying a PDA and a separate cell ever again.

BTW - don't drop it. I did from not that great of a height and damaged the screen. I was out $180, and there are no screens available online for self-replacement at a reduced cost.

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Very satisfied thus far....

I traded up from my Kyocera 6035 Smartphone to the Treo 600 a few weeks ago. Thus far I must say I am very pleased with the device.

My whole thing is I want/need a PDA and phone. However, I do not want two different devices to handle these functions. That is largely why I went with the Kyocera device at the time I did 3 or so yrs ago. The Treo 600 definitely fits that bill but with more gusto than the Kyocera.

I am on Sprint's network, and have managed to get a good deal on the service as part of my hardware upgrade. Thus far the web side of it has been great, no issues there.

As for general phone function, the keyboard is a nice change from graffiti for text entry especially riding in a car etc. I would agree with the comments on the camera function, but then again I didn't buy the phone for the camera. I have not yet tried Sprint's business connection package although I plan to, and also have yet to get an expansion card to load up some MP3s. A colleague of mine has done both, and has good things to say to that end.

I have also picked up CommonTime's mNotes to sync the Treo up to my Lotus Notes cal & address databases and am finding a renewed pleasure in keeping both my home and work calendars/addresses in sync (I use Notes at home as well). I don't sync mail, mostly because I don't feel I have much reason to do so with VPN access back to our network.

I did change carry cases for the phone away from the provided case, which had a tendency to depress the nav button since it is rather tight. Instead I picked up a BodyGlove case which allows the phone to sit sideways...which is my preferred method of carrying it.

So overall, a good experience thus far...and I don't expect to change anything.

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bwh1248

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Wrong about Concurrent GPRS and Voice Usage

The author is wrong when he universally says that a T600 user cannot use both GSM/GPRS data connections and talk on the phone at the same time. This capability works just fine on my Treo 600 running on Cingular. The author should try to check his facts before he makes global statements. He may have this problem on TMobile, but it definitely works on Cingular!
jfcampos

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need some help!!!

I upgrede my treo to ROW (non carrier), because i didint know the original carrier, now it is not admitting my sim card. is there any way to reverse this upgrade (other than sending my treo to technical service), is there any procedure that has to be done??

pls help

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