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join:2000-03-02 | Re: Would this conflict with an active cable signal? No conflict with traditional TV according to the press release: quote:
The device operates in the 800-1500MHz range, so there is no interference with other products such as cable TV transmissions.
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Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
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| Re: Would this conflict with an active cable signal? Cool.
I've already got the Powerline HDX101.
MOCA is good in that it should have low signal loss/interference (vs. powerline)
Powerline is good in that you have any outlet in the house (many!).
I've got a lot better range/stability on ethernet over powerline than I did on WiFi (esp for SSH/X11 sessions), and typically obtain ~50Mbps throughput. Downside is that they should have used gigabit ports vs. 100Mbps ports.
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Premium
join:2003-01-18
Newport News, VA
| Re: Would this conflict with an active cable signal? OMG BPL in your house.... how dare you emit signal that interferes with those damned ham'ers!!!!
BBR will shun you now! 
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Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
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| Re: Would this conflict with an active cable signal? Somehow, I don't think this is considered BPL.
Usage is limited to about 1 house. HAMs would have to be pointing a yagi at my house to pick anything up.. and I suspect they'd get interference from other devices (like my PC) first.
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join:2000-10-05
Collegeville, PA | 800-900 Mhz is used by many cable companies, up to 1Ghz is used by some, and the higher frequencies are often used by satellite.
Further, if you don't have satellite, most of your splitters are probably good only up to 900Mhz. | |
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join:2007-09-30
Cleveland, TN | Re: Would this conflict with an active cable signal? in some markets cable uses the full spectrum of the coax | |
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Pinlifter
Premium,VIP
join:2002-06-05
EN22wm | there are a few cable systems around that run up to 1000Mhz...
Oh yeah... traditional systems... I wonder how verizon will put up with junk rg-59 from the 1980's or nicks in the cable that wreak havoc on high frequencies... | |
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join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA | I'm not sure. I know I had FiOS internet only over coax for awhile, but I think the installer may have separated the internet coax from the rest of the network (simple due to the way our home wiring was set up). | |
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Enjoy the sun
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Avalon, NJ
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| said by wifi4milez  :Let's say the customer wanted to keep cable for their TV, but opted for FIOS internet only. Given that (I assume) both signals would be traveling over the same wiring, would their be a conflict? EDIT: I see this is for consumer hardware within the house, but my question still remains. Will having different traffic/protocols using the same infrastructure be an issue? A lot of answers to technical questions can be found starting here:
»www.mocalliance.org/en/aboutus/faq.asp#17
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| Re: Would this conflict with an active cable signal? said by BSD24 :said by wifi4milez :Let's say the customer wanted to keep cable for their TV, but opted for FIOS internet only. Given that (I assume) both signals would be traveling over the same wiring, would their be a conflict? EDIT: I see this is for consumer hardware within the house, but my question still remains. Will having different traffic/protocols using the same infrastructure be an issue? Karl - No, as long as Fios was installed with its own dedicated line. It should be dedicated specifically for this reason, but if a tech made the mistake of connecting the Fios line to the splitter that services your cabletv service it is quite possible that it would cause issues either with the internet or the cable or maybe even both. not true. verizon uses a catv/moca combiner called a moca nid to combine the cable co catv rf and the verizon moca onto the same coax network. a regular catv splitter can be used. | |
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Tier 4
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join:2008-04-30
Middleboro, MA
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| Re: Would this conflict with an active cable signal? said by mysteryfiostech :said by BSD24 :said by wifi4milez :Let's say the customer wanted to keep cable for their TV, but opted for FIOS internet only. Given that (I assume) both signals would be traveling over the same wiring, would their be a conflict? EDIT: I see this is for consumer hardware within the house, but my question still remains. Will having different traffic/protocols using the same infrastructure be an issue? Karl - No, as long as Fios was installed with its own dedicated line. It should be dedicated specifically for this reason, but if a tech made the mistake of connecting the Fios line to the splitter that services your cabletv service it is quite possible that it would cause issues either with the internet or the cable or maybe even both. not true. verizon uses a catv/moca combiner called a moca nid to combine the cable co catv rf and the verizon moca onto the same coax network. a regular catv splitter can be used. mysteryfiostech - I know they use MOCA... But if you have CATV from Comcast (for example) and Fios for internet, then using common sense the lines shouldn't be combined. They should run seperatly. If you combined them that could cause problems possibly. | |
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Big Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
join:2004-08-07
New York, NY
·Verizon FIOS
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| Re: Would this conflict with an active cable signal? said by BSD24 :mysteryfiostech - I know they use MOCA... But if you have CATV from Comcast (for example) and Fios for internet, then using common sense the lines shouldn't be combined. They should run seperatly. If you combined them that could cause problems possibly. Thats exactly my question. If this type of product is being deployed by Verizon for FIOS installs, what happens to the people who mix and match services (FIOS for internet, TWC for TV, etc.)? Furthermore, what happens if you are a "mix and match" customer, and THEN you go out and buy this product?? Would you introduce triple interference into the coax?
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wifi4milez
Big Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
join:2004-08-07
New York, NY
·Verizon FIOS
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| Re: Would this conflict with an active cable signal? said by BSD24 :Well it depends on what you already have and what your using, basicly how your setup is. If you already have an existing line in the room, but you also have a TV for cable inthere, then Fios will run a seperate line up to the room (assuming they use coax for it instead of Cat5e(network cable)). For your internet. If you have an existing outlet but not using it for cable tv, and its hooked up to cable. Fios will most likely disconnect that cable from the cable service (splitter) that comes into your house and connect it to their Fios system. If you have 2 coax outlets existing, and one is in use and the other one is not but both are connected to cable tv service. Then Fios will most likely disconnect the cable line your not using and hook it up to their Fios system. Just wanted to kind of give you some examples. This is why it really depends on what is already setup in your house. Also depending on what the techs find, if a line even if not in use is not good quality for the service for one reason or another may opt to run a new line anyways. But Fios service lines shouldn't connect into the Cable service lines. Both use a "Closed" cable system to prevent signal loss (egress or ingress) or foreign-signal interference. That makes sense, but what happens if I (the end user) decide to purchase the DLink MOCA equipment mentioned in this article? I would then be introducing additional interference and have no way of testing/troubleshooting it.
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join:2003-07-22
Des Plaines, IL | At that price you can get wifi or home power plug adapters.. At that price you can get wifi or home power plug adapters for less and you are not tied to where the cable is in the house.
Also is it hub based so if you have 3-4+ systems on it they all slow down? | |
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elios
join:2005-11-15
Springfield, MO | Re: At that price you can get wifi or home power plug adapters.. OR you can send 1/2 that and 4-5 hours and wire your home for CAT5 your self
i did it and it was dirt cheap even counting the cost of the router | |
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join:2007-09-28
Colfax, CA | Re: At that price you can get wifi or home power plug adapters.. why not CAT6? It's pretty much the same price, at least at monoprice.com, and 10x faster(more future proof). | |
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join:2005-11-15
Springfield, MO | Re: At that price you can get wifi or home power plug adapters.. CAT5e is just as good and i couldnt get CAT6 locally | |
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join:2007-09-28
Colfax, CA | Re: At that price you can get wifi or home power plug adapters.. oh, gotcha. You didn't say CAT5e you said CAT5 in the original post. | |
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@videotron.net
| If the cable company offers networking solutions to their customers for a fee, then lending them the adapter instead of rewiring their homes would be cheaper, as you must remember that cabling that is installed into a home is generally not recuperated by the cableco should a customer leave, so you're basicly giving away cabling, but an adapter you lend to the customer IS taken back, and can be reused for the next customer. Viewed from that perspective, it does become economically viable.
A high percentage of customers wouldn't know how to connect an ethernet cable to their modem, much less setup their own routers with wireless capability. | |
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join:2003-07-22
Des Plaines, IL
| Re: At that price you can get wifi or home power plug adapters.. said by purr le meow :
If the cable company offers networking solutions to their customers for a fee, then lending them the adapter instead of rewiring their homes would be cheaper, as you must remember that cabling that is installed into a home is generally not recuperated by the cableco should a customer leave, so you're basicly giving away cabling, but an adapter you lend to the customer IS taken back, and can be reused for the next customer. Viewed from that perspective, it does become economically viable.
A high percentage of customers wouldn't know how to connect an ethernet cable to their modem, much less setup their own routers with wireless capability.
How many customers are willing to pay $5+ per tv and per pc month? | |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
Premium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
·Comcast
| Just Use The Real Thing Cat-5e or Cat-6 cable really isn't that expensive anymore. Monoprice sells it for $93 for 1000 feet. Even though copper prices have gone up, this particular cable is not as expensive as it used to be.
»www.monoprice.com/products/subde···id=10234
You can also get Leviton Quickport Ethernet Jacks for about $5 a pop, and the brackets and wall plates for even cheaper. I've gone through plenty of these as I wired up my house as well as my mom's house for Ethernet connectivity.
The benefit here is that you can get full 1Gbps connectivity within your home and save any existing cable jacks for actual TV signals. Furthermore, as someone who was crazy enough to run RG-6 coax to every room and component cable to a couple of rooms, I can tell anyone who wants to do this that running ethernet cable is much easier than running any form of coax.
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join:2005-11-15
Springfield, MO | Re: Just Use The Real Thing yea thats the stuff we used
hell we even got some coax ports and used the clip in face plates and ran coax to every room and it was still less then buying good high end home powerline network stuff | |
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Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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join:2002-05-02
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join:2001-08-09
Milwaukee, WI
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| Re: Just Use The Real Thing said by pnh102 :I'd have run fiber if i could have afforded it at the time Let me throw in a plug here for all the smurf tube manufacturers. My house is full of it for whatever is needed, where ever it is needed. Future fiber is no problem, or as I have said before you can use it for an old-style ship intercom if you want.
Of course, everything will probably be wireless before I need to upgrade from the Cat 4 (What I had laying around) and RG-6 that I have inside the ENT right now.
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Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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Mount Airy, MD
·Comcast
| Re: Just Use The Real Thing said by ArgMeMatey :Let me throw in a plug here for all the smurf tube manufacturers. My house is full of it for whatever is needed, where ever it is needed. I keep kicking myself for not running that... but I always figure that's nothing a Dremel, a handsaw, some spackle and paint cannot fix. 
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join:2001-08-09
Milwaukee, WI | I suspect the point about cheapness is regarding existing installations where there would be a labor cost to install new Cat 5 rather than use in-place RG-6.
That is, it's generally cheaper for them to use whatever is already there. | |
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Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
Premium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
·Comcast
| Re: Just Use The Real Thing said by ArgMeMatey :That is, it's generally cheaper for them to use whatever is already there. I suppose... in my situation there was neither... I ended up running coax and ethernet jacks to every room, and this was in existing construction.
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Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-19
Palmdale, CA
| Re: Just Use The Real Thing said by pnh102 :said by ArgMeMatey :That is, it's generally cheaper for them to use whatever is already there. I suppose... in my situation there was neither... I ended up running coax and ethernet jacks to every room, and this was in existing construction. Not everyone shares your situation. For example slab poured house and very limited attic access means you would have to open the walls to pull cable. This would require drywall and painting making it cost more than the coax or powerline devices.
Also in terms of the telco, it's cheaper and less liability for a tech to just install a device then spend time pulling cable. | |
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join:2003-05-26
Santa Ana, CA
| What? Um they really seem to be assuming a lot. There are cable companies that use frequencies above 800 MGhZ. After reading the FAQ, I don't see any specifics on if it will interfere with CATV or not. And I don't see specifics on the frequencies in use.
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Premium,MVM
join:2005-11-06
Powell, WY
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1 edit | U-verse U-verse never used MoCA IIRC. The original 3700 RG had MoCA, but they didn't use it since the STBs had HPNAv3 onboard. They used an HPNAv3 host adapter/bridge at the RG which just plugged into a normal RJ-45 port on the RG and plugged into the coax network. Now the 3800 RG (which has been in use since late '06) has HPNAv3 onboard as well, so no bridge needed. They can use the same bridges to go the other way though, get a PC on the network without wireless where there is only a coax outlet, or a phone outlet using either a balun to go from tp to coax or by using a different type of bridge. | |
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join:2007-09-04
Edmonton, AB | This is nice and all but... For the price of the adapters, might as well buy some CAT5e and wire your home with that, if you install it yourself it'll be way cheaper than buying a whole bunch of MOCA adapters. | |
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join:2007-10-31
South Weymouth, MA
| Re: This is nice and all but... Anyone who knows anything about coax is attenuation. Attenuation is going to be greater at 800Mhz opposed to 55Mhz.
Also, the quality of the internal wiring of the house(Radio Shack, RG59 etc..) will compromise the quality I would imagine. Especially how every homeowner hacks their cable system in their house with multiple splits, screw-on fittings...I do not see this as being a good alternative. I would rather run Cat5, or use a wireless range extender if I had to. | |
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Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
·Comcast
| Re: This is nice and all but... said by MER_MAN :Also, the quality of the internal wiring of the house(Radio Shack, RG59 etc..) will compromise the quality I would imagine. Especially how every homeowner hacks their cable system in their house with multiple splits, screw-on fittings... That was a huge problem for me. The previous owner of my house had satellite service, and I found out the irritating way that satellite signal splitters, which seem to be hidden all throughout this house, do a pretty good job of killing the cable TV signal. I ended up running RG-6 coax to every room from a single point.
Lucky for me, my sister was moving out of her old apartment at the time and she had a whole spool of Comcast-issue RG-6 that worked nicely (it must have been at least 100 feet or so). I also had stockpiled a lot of RG-6 from previous residences, so I only needed to buy a couple of 50 foot spools of the stuff to finish off my work.
But you're totally right about the crappy RG-59 cable... it is useless for most things these days, and I have a ton of it strung through the walls here.
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Buttons, Bows, Beamer, Shadow, Kasey
Premium
join:2002-02-02
Stewartstown, PA
·Millenicom
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| not so sure Verizon recently decided to use 270 Mbps capable equipment from the Multimedia Over Coax alliance (MOCA) for Fios installs. The move allowed them to use existing Coax for home-networking, avoid more expensive Cat-5, and drive-down the cost per home of Fios deployment. I believe VZ is going with this mostly to shorten the time to install the triple play. The cost of cat-5 is nothing compared to the time involved in installing it.
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join:2003-11-15
Brooklyn, NY
| Re: not so sure I spoke with D-Link and when I asked them if it will interfere with any thing this is what they said.
Any interference will be none at all or negligible to notice.
Also for people in apartment buildings.
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Take me down to the paradise city
Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC |  Very Slick
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No,there is another.
Premium,VIP
join:2002-05-30
Granite City, IL
clubs: | Coax vs. Cat5e- distance I believe you can go greater distances with COAX than cat5e can't you? it's just the bandwidth isn't quite as high. | |
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join:2005-11-15
Springfield, MO
1 edit | Re: Coax vs. Cat5e- distance sure you can but is your home so big you need more then 1 run that is 100m long?
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No,there is another.
Premium,VIP
join:2002-05-30
Granite City, IL
clubs: | Re: Coax vs. Cat5e- distance No but my unkle's property is a prime example. I am sure it's more than 328ft from his house (2 story) to his farm shed (metal) where the combine and 8 wheel tractor sits.
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join:2005-11-15
Springfield, MO | Re: Coax vs. Cat5e- distance then use wireless or use a repeater | |
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join:2007-12-02 | Yawn... Didn't Datapoint already do this 30-odd years ago... ...with ARCnet? | |
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| Cat-5e So if you have both the coax rg-6 and cat-5e run everywhere( i do) you can do the FIOS over the cat5 instead of going thru their actionec router that outputs thru coax for the TV signal? I would like to remove the actiontec as it only goes to 100 mbps whereas my D-link gamer lounge router goes gigabit. I'd rather just use the D-link and not the actiontec. | |
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join:2001-02-14
Doylestown, PA
·Verizon FIOS
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| Re: Cat-5e said by Ahpuch :
So if you have both the coax rg-6 and cat-5e run everywhere( i do) you can do the FIOS over the cat5 instead of going thru their actionec router that outputs thru coax for the TV signal?
The answer is no. The STBs from Moto that VZ's using don't support CAT5 input (even though there is one). Without the AT router as a MoCA bridge, you get no widgets, VOD or guide.
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join:2008-05-16 | If it has F Connectors.... I don't want anything to do with it.
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Premium
join:2007-08-24
Wesley Chapel, FL
| FIOS / MOCA OPERATION I moved into my house 2 years ago. It already had Fios. I love it. I tried the Home Media deal and couldn't get it to work consistently or without hiccups. Not only that but the widgets were "herky jerky" at best. After some research on this website I found that the MoCA worked a frequencies greater than 1 GHz. I noted that I had a 1 GHz splitter on the side of the house near the Nid box. I stopped a Fios installer in the neighborhood one day and asked if he had a splitter I could get from him. I am thinking that the MoCa thing might be new and that the new installs would have to have a wider range splitter. He handed me a 1 GHz splitter. I asked about the compatibility with MoCa and he replied "what?". I explained what I had read about the frequency of the MoCa and was told that I had read wrong. I purchased my own 0-2 GHz splitter and all previous issues to include widgets not being able to connect to the server, menu speed and reactivity and the nearly flawless streaming of VOD was a great improvement.
Can someone tell me if I am off the mark and just experienced a quirk in this improvement or did I indeed read correctly and fix my own problem.
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