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 |  |  AlakarFacts do not cease to exist when ignored join:2001-03-23 Milwaukee, WI | Re: Well... said by jadebangle:i recently dumped att and went with bellsouth so sorry the caps are also another minus as att is getting stingy and losing out to cable competitor Uh, Bellsouth is AT&T. -- "Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom; it is the arguments of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves." William Pitt the Younger | |
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I know most people leave their STB on all the time and tuned to the last channel they watched before turning the TV off. If you have a couple TVs and are not actually watching them but leave the STBs on, won't that then impact the internet speeds?
Does AT&T recommend some procedure to TURN OFF the STBs when not actually watching TV to keep internet speeds at max capability? -- My BLOG .. .. Internet News .. .. My Web Page Ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk? | |
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 |  en102Canadian, eh? join:2001-01-26 Valencia, CA | Re: Question about STB on & tuned to channel but TV off I wonder if its possible to 'sense' if TV is actually in use (i.e. different voltage/resistance/current level) and adjust accordingly. Eg. If the TV is off, the STB 'should' be smart enough to know that the TV isn't in use, and power off itself, and save bandwidth.
I have a 'cheapo' universal DVD to TV connector which does just that... and its only $15. | |
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 |  Smith6612Premium,MVM join:2008-02-01 North Tonawanda, NY kudos:18 | I don't know what AT&T recommends at all, but certainly even though I'm a Verizon user with satellite TV, I switch off my STBs when they're not in use. No particular reason other than to let the receivers update thee software and guide. | |
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 |  ht4 @comcast.net | yes the tv do inpact the speed. my friend got the service. he signed up for the 3mbps plan. but when he turns his hd tv the speed drop in half for him. att came out several time and said they can not do anything about that. | |
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| Yes, the procedure for turning off the STBs when not in use is to press the Power Off button on the remote. 
A surprising number of people never turn off their STB. This is not just an AT&T phenomenon.
As noted above, the U-verse STBs do go into "standby" mode if no activity for some number of hours.
Now that AT&T is sharing bandwidth between TV and Internet, people really should learn to turn off their STBs when not watching TV. | |
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 |  Ikyuao join:2007-02-26 Wichita, KS | Re: att Yeah. ATT really sucks big time. | |
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Innovation, it sucks big time! | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  imrfPremium join:2002-06-06 Utica, MI | said by djrobx:what about the 6412 DVR with software from 2003 that doesn't allow me to watch my HD shows across TVs in the house? Verizon's essentially working with digital cable gear, but they're doing multi-room DVR. Why not Time Warner? Ok, first of all, the 6412 isn't MoCA capable like the newer version boxes that Verizon uses. That's why Verizon can already. And TWC, if the area uses SA boxes, they use a special splitter that is required and only allows for 4 boxes to be hooked up to it.
Perhaps TW should have been a little more aggressive about getting SDV rolled out consistently across LA if that's their path to competitve HD service. The Adelphia/Comcast buyout is no longer a valid excuse, they've had the systems for over 2 years. Whatever the rationale for the current state of things is, I'm eager for the fix. I'm just gonna guess and they just think AT&T isn't a real competitor. I dunno. | |
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| Re: att quote: Ok, first of all, the 6412 isn't MoCA capable like the newer version boxes that Verizon uses. That's why Verizon can already. And TWC, if the area uses SA boxes, they use a special splitter that is required and only allows for 4 boxes to be hooked up to it.
Of course I don't expect them to make the old hardware to perform eccentric new tricks. But they could offer new, more advanced MoCA capable boxes to customers who want them for a fee. That's what I mean by slow upgrade cycles. With Direct or Dish I can go buy a new fancified receiver every couple years if I want to keep up with the latest and greatest.
quote: I'm just gonna guess and they just think AT&T isn't a real competitor. I dunno.
Or DirecTV, or Verizon, or DISH Netork...
TWC's sluggishness in deploying HD in LA made the front page of the Los Angeles Times in May. The channels they promised to deliver by July 1 in this article are still not rolled out in some areas!
Now, when I read that article, I would have thought that meant they've been working to roll SDV out. 7 months later, the channels have been crammed in, PQ is suffering and there's still no SDV. Lord knows how long we'll be waiting for the next batch of channels. Meanwhile rumor has it AT&T's prepping for a new batch of HD channels for the end of Nov or early Dec.
I'm sure a year or two from now they'll finally make their technological leaps and all will be well again. | |
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Can you please give some examples ? | |
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| Re: att Because ATT don't bring their own U-Verse in Wichita, KS so cox is my cable provider only I experienced with cox cable is really great and been faster speeds in fact. -- 64K TCP WIN is officially dead for long high latency fat network connection across internet. | |
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 |  |  |  imrfPremium join:2002-06-06 Utica, MI | Re: att Actually, that isn't true. The Vyyo system is one of the many failed attempts at Ultrawide band. The plant is left alone for the most part, and at certain points the Vyyo gear is installed to inject a data stream or to remove it. It's not practical, so it will fail, like all the others who have attempted before them. | |
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Or are you talking about the ability to go beyond 1Ghz? -- --- Drilling for more oil is akin to giving a methhead the keys to the meth lab. | |
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| Re: I want U-Verse. Wow that's pretty ghetto, lol. Honey my download dropped from 1mb/sec to 600k/sec! Turn off the TV I don't care what you are watching!
What percentage of their U-Verse customers can get this speed package? Doesn't one's phone line need to be very close to the CO to get that kind of provisioning? | |
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De La Vega, AT&T #2, specifically said they would sell the full 25 meg to people who didn't want their TV from AT&T, but that's apparently in the future. db | |
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| Re: Reach that cap even faster! said by BF69:Seriously does it matter if they have stupidly low caps? Exactly my friend low caps is useless ATT is becoming like a deathstar... Its eating itself out...Why the low caps??? so they can provide for more user without any upgrade and force current subscriber to use less of the bandwidth. Its insanity... A death bite to itself... sorry ATT you just have gone 2 step backward with caps and obsolete VDSL a lose-lose paradigram  | |
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1 edit | Re: Reach that cap even faster! said by jadebangle :
Exactly my friend low caps is useless ATT is becoming like a deathstar... Its eating itself out... AT&T is betting that you're wrong and that the vast majority of consumers will accept their service with these "low caps". If you're right, customers will leave them in droves and they'll lose.
So far all the dire predictions about how U-verse will fail (first because of FTTN vs. FTTH, now because of caps) have proven completely wrong. U-verse is very successful and is growing about as fast as it can.
We'll see how it goes in the future. I'm not betting against them. | |
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1 edit | said by BF69:Seriously does it matter if they have stupidly low caps? "stupidly low caps" = "I can only average downloading one full-length HD movie or three full-length SD movies every day of the month" ??
does not compute for me.
I would call 50GB or less "low", and 10GB or less "stupidly low". I would call 150GB "reasonable" and 250GB "high".
Obviously these numbers will change over time but that's where I think the market is right now. | |
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 ftthzIf love can kill hate can also save join:2005-10-17 | not too bad too bad no uverse in my area | |
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| Re: not too bad said by ftthz:too bad no uverse in my area uverse sucks... go cable its widely available and the speed is pretty much in par with uverse | |
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18 Mbps > 8 Mbps. 1.5 Mbps 2 Mbps but not by much.
Then again, if UVerse were here I'd have Blast or DOCSIS 3 right?
Any word on caps on this tier? 250GB? | |
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| Re: not too bad said by iansltx:Any word on caps on this tier? 250GB? i believe it's still TBD. could be 50GB. let's see how generous they are... | |
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| My cox cable really pretty much faster and cheaper with no taxes I experienced with cable. ATT cost too much with too much taxes and ATT still sucks very big time. -- 64K TCP WIN is officially dead for long high latency fat network connection across internet. | |
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 jgkoltPremium join:2004-02-21 Lakewood, OH | speeds Speeds should by no way be reduced for internet if you are using one of thier other services (tv). This is a case against att tv. | |
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| Re: speeds said by jgkolt:Speeds should by no way be reduced for internet if you are using one of thier other services (tv). This is a case against att tv. That's one way to look at it.
Another way to look at it is:
They have a budget of 25 megabits. Before, they did static partitioning of that budget between TV, Voice, and Internet. Thus the highest Internet speed was 10 megabits. Now, they've gotten smart and have dynamic partitioning of the bandwidth budget. You can now use up to 18 megabits for Internet, and the TV and Voice services will reduce that somewhat, but only when they are in use.
Personally, I think this is a plus.
Would you rather they just never made the higher speeds available at all? | |
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 btaylor1Don't Tread On My AvatarPremium,MVM join:2002-10-13 Dallas, TX | max18 nice i got this upgrade today and it's delightful
went from about 9.5Mbps down to 17.something instead
sweet and solid
i only went up to about 10Mbps down via a separate linksys i have in the line. that's not at&t's issue but i am hopeful a much smarter (than me) friend will help me resolved that | |
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| it kills me It just kills me to think, that being ATT will always likely be my telco due to lack of provider options that I will be delayed probably another 10 years or till cable runs their lines another mile to service another 50 customers.. Why?
I personally feel they will eventually realize that the fiber to node method isn't sufficient for alotta applications and yet again, rebuild from city populations outward to ruralish areas.. What does this mean? Another long excuse/reason for our area not to be upgraded. Obviously Verizon proved that the fiber method works extremely well. I personally hope that verizon fills out their footprint and builds into ATT territory, but I won't be surprised if for some reason its not even legal for them to do so.. Some laws/permits absolutely make no sense for the benefit of the consumer..
Even this new US chief of Technology guy that Obama proposes to put into power will likely be nothing more than ATT's henchman in disguise ..
And yes, I bitch alot about this.. And I do write my soo called officials, and local papers... Amazingly, i've been published a couple times with folks agreeing ( imagine that )) | |
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| Re: it kills me Get real! After they broke up AT&T over 20 years ago all of the new Ilec had the power to go into the other territories and didn't. Now look at what is left of the breakup AT&T,Verizon,and Qwest. My guess is another merger/takeover is in the works. Verizon/Alltel merger just got approved by DOJ. Time will tell. -- GO NOLES!! | |
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If you're not really interested in having TV from AT&T, at all, then this would be fine for people who want fast speeds; 18 meg down and 2 meg up is pretty good.
U-Verse is FTTN+VDSL to the home, right?
Why not go with VDSL2? It has a higher bandwidth potential and degrades way slower than VDSL (and at a certain distance just basically acts like ADSL2+). -- "True Patriotism is more closely linked with dissent than it is to conformity and a blind desire for safety and security...I accept the definition of patriotism as that effort to resist abusive state power." -Ron Paul | |
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said by cwh:vrads already have the vdsl2 line cards. ATT is waiting for 2wire to finish up the vdsl2 inid.... oh, ok; hopefully there will be plenty more bandwidth for you guys once 2Wire finishes their VDSL2 inid; of course, if AT&T is arbitrarily limiting it to a total of 25 megabits, well, then VDSL2 won't help much.
say, is there a successor to VDSL2? -- "True Patriotism is more closely linked with dissent than it is to conformity and a blind desire for safety and security...I accept the definition of patriotism as that effort to resist abusive state power." -Ron Paul | |
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| U-verse is FTTN + VDSL last mile for existing neighborhoods. New neighborhoods are built out with FTTP and U-verse supports that too.
VDSL2 is coming. Word is that the VRADs are already VDSL2 capable and the 2wire gateway they use may be able to support it with a firmware upgrade.
Right now, people are running 2 HD streams + Internet on U-verse and still getting like 12-14 megabits on the Internet side. So it looks pretty reasonable, even without AT&T modifying their 25 megabit total profile. | |
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lol at&t doesn't even have this rolled out all the way and they are capping users already? Then your TV experience might take a hit from your internet surfing? I'm surprised at&t is not capping how much people watch their TV also. | |
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| Re: Sad. said by ztmike:U-Verse has a bandwidth cap to? lol I thought that was just for their dsl side.. lol at&t doesn't even have this rolled out all the way and they are capping users already? Then your TV experience might take a hit from your internet surfing? I'm surprised at&t is not capping how much people watch their TV also. If they capped how much TV you could watch, this will be the biggest flop in telecom history I think... Who the hell wants to be limited on TV choices when you can simply get Satellite TV, which unlike Satellite internet it works very well as an option for broadcasting.. With the proposed caps they are toying with and the very pathetic range limitations of Uverse from a Vrad, they would be better off just going back to offering HSI to people and let the TV service side sit till they get serious and want to offer fiber to the premisis..... Caps... What the hell man.... | |
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| AT&T is running a trial of caps in Reno, NV. No caps have been put in place elsewhere, and it remains to be seen if caps actually do get imposed (but I would not bet against it), and how big they will actually be.
The caps trial is for both DSL service and U-Verse Internet service (VDSL).
No, there is no cap on U-verse TV. I think it's safe to say that would never happen.
First, U-verse TV does run over their IP backbone, but it's essentially a broadcast (maybe multicast would be a better term). Therefore it consumes only a small amount of the backbone capacity. Contrast this with home consumers running their Internet connections at full speed 24x7 (downloading videos or whatever). Each consumer is using the full capacity of their dedicated pipe. Thus the impact on the backbone is immensly greater than the TV impact.
Second, they could not possibly compete with satellite or cable if they somehow limited the amount of TV you could watch. That's a non-starter. | |
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 | | tier 2 support Not that this would surprise anyone, but AT&T tech support level 2 stated that the internet bandwidth and tv bandwidth are seperate and not shared.
I then told them I can see my bandwidth decrease each time I turn on another set top box in my house.
I might call level 2 back later and see if I get a different answer.....
They did suggest making a change on the residential gateway but I wasn't at home and they wouldn't let me write down the instructions. Something about auto detect, but that's all I got out of them. | |
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| said by djsars :
They did suggest making a change on the residential gateway but I wasn't at home and they wouldn't let me write down the instructions. Something about auto detect, but that's all I got out of them. I'm not at home now so I can't give specifics. But if you get into the management/diagnostic screen of your RG, you can change the settings for detecting the line and service type to what they actually are rather than "auto detect". This helps with some situations. But I doubt seriously it'd solve what you are looking at. | |
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