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User Impressions of the New TiVo Stream
And Getting Device to Play Nice With ISP-Provided Premiere
by IONEX Tuesday 23-Oct-2012 tags: Video · business · hardware · alternatives · bandwidth · cable · content · caps · Apple
I love purchasing new gadgets. I still regret my Apple Newton purchase, but c'est la vie! I put in a pre-order for the new Tivo Stream as soon as I found out it was compatible with my TiVo Premiere. The TiVo Stream is a tiny box only a few inches in width and length with only an indicator light and an Ethernet port. The device allows one to watch programming that has been record on the TiVo Premiere on any iOS device on the local network. An upgrade for the Android TiVo application is in the works so Android devices should be able to use the device soon.

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You can also access the guide and start recording and streaming something that is currently airing so you can essentially use it to watch live TV on your local network as well. The TiVo Stream also allows you to download shows saved on your TiVo Premiere to an iOS device to be watched anywhere. The TiVo Stream will not let you download some programming if your MSO has enable certain copy protection mechanisms.

I am one of the lucky few who was issued a TiVo Premiere from my MSO (Charter) during a small window before they stopped issuing them and decided to work with TiVo to make a cloud-based DVR solution (and to also load Tivo DVR software on existing equipment). Since my TiVo Premiere was issued by an MSO, I had to make confirm with TiVo that it would be compatible with a TiVo Stream. I was told that all MSO provided TiVo Premieres are compatible with the TiVo Stream -- though multi-room recording must be enabled by your MSO for it to work.

So, if you can't get your TiVo Stream to work with the cable company provided TiVo Premiere -- call them and ask them to enable multi-room streaming on your account. Charter had already enabled multi-room streaming on my account since I have two TiVo Premieres. If you have multiple TiVo Premieres on your account and can access another unit from another unit then multi-room streaming is already enabled. If you have a retail TiVo Premier you will not run into any difficulties.

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After taking it out of the box, I plugged it in to my router via Ethernet cable. The device does not have Wi-Fi so before you order it make sure you can put it near your router and that your router has an available Ethernet port. The TiVo Stream then gets an IP via DHCP and lets you know it is ready via an indicator light. The TiVo Stream is only compatible with TiVos that are connected to the local network via Ethernet cable.

I have one TiVo Premiere connected via Wi-Fi and one connected via cable so I can only pull content and interact with the TiVo Premiere on the wired connection. After the indicator will turn solid white, it is ready to go and just needs to be setup from any iOS device. If your light does not turn solid white, it means you probably need to activate your TiVo Stream. Activation is free you just need to add it to the account on TiVo.com that has your TiVo Premiere listed.

If you have an MSO provided TiVo Premiere you will still have an account on TiVo.com. If you need help locating your account call or chat with them online and provide them the TSN off of your TiVo Premiere. Next, download the TiVo app from the App Store and launch it on your iOS device. It will recognize the TiVo Stream on the network and set it up in just a few minutes.

I have really enjoyed the device so far as my MSO does not seem to have copy protection enabled in my system. I have been able to easily download all shows from the TiVo Premiere to my iPad for watching on the go.

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The device allows for two different quality types so you can download a show in poorer quality if you want to be able to transfer the show more quickly. The quality of the low quality setting is excellent so I never use the high quality setting any longer since the shows transfer faster with that setting. Sadly, you have to keep the app open for transfers from the TiVo Stream to the iOS device to occur so no surfing with Safari at the same time or using any other app for that matter.

The live TV streaming functionality could also be better. If you pick a show from the guide that is currently on to live stream to your iOS device you must hit record and the recording will start showing after a few seconds. You then have to go back and delete the recording when you are done. It seems like there should be an option to let it know your intent is just to watch live and to auto delete the recording that is occurring.

Another complaint is that the Stream should have been compatible with Android at launch so that all of our family members could use the device. At $129.99 plus tax with no monthly fee and free shipping when ordered directly from Tivo I highly recommend the device since the advantages out weigh the slight annoyances. If you don't currently have a TiVo, one might consider giving up the cable box they currently have, ordering a TiVo Premiere from TiVo.com and getting a CableCard from the local MSO to be able to purchase and use a Tivo Stream. One might also check with their MSO to see if TiVo Premiere are available for rent directly through them.

(Editor's note: Suddenlink is the only ISP we've seen allowing users to lease the TiVO Stream for $10 a month).

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PhoenixDown
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So a $129 device just to stream to my ios device?

Maybe I'm missing the value here.

Simba7
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Billings, MT

Re: So a $129 device just to stream to my ios device?

Why can't they do it on the TiVo itself instead of purchasing a device solely for streaming?

aaronwt
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Re: So a $129 device just to stream to my ios device?

said by Simba7:

Why can't they do it on the TiVo itself instead of purchasing a device solely for streaming?

They can. They plan on incorporating the TiVo stream features into the next generation of the TiVos. The current ones are Series 4 boxes so maybe Series 5 boxes.

Simba7
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Re: So a $129 device just to stream to my ios device?

..and the Series2 have been able to do this for.. how long?
nowayout

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Re: So a $129 device just to stream to my ios device?

said by Simba7:

..and the Series2 have been able to do this for.. how long?

Do what, transcode mpeg2 into mpeg4 and stream it to an iDevice? The Series2 never could/never did.
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Re: So a $129 device just to stream to my ios device?

said by nowayout:

said by Simba7:

..and the Series2 have been able to do this for.. how long?

Do what, transcode mpeg2 into mpeg4 and stream it to an iDevice? The Series2 never could/never did.

I've been doing that since series 1 actually. Well, maybe not to an idevice (they haven't been around that long,) but other devices.
nowayout

join:2009-06-22
Allentown, PA

Re: So a $129 device just to stream to my ios device?

They never streamed, only copied pre-recorded content. But copying is no longer viable for a lot of people in a digital/cablecard world where providers now block copying. The Stream gets around it.

Simba7
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Re: So a $129 device just to stream to my ios device?

said by nowayout:

They never streamed, only copied pre-recorded content.

The Series 1 and 2 were meant for the analog TV world and it included a hardware MPEG2 encoder. The DirecTiVo didn't need the encoder and recorded the stream directly to the hard drive. I still have ~6 DirecTiVo's and a few S2 TiVos lying around.

..and no, it didn't stream out of the box.. but throw on some special software and a USB Network adapter and it works perfectly. It's nice to stream DirecTV over the network without restrictions.
cramer

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Raleigh, NC
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Re: So a $129 device just to stream to my ios device?

Correction: All OTA (NTSC) and cable capable Tivos have analog (NTSC) tuners and encoders in them -- that's S1, S2, S2DT, S3, THD, and Premieres. It's still required for Cable Labs certification. There are still cable companies transmitting NTSC channels. (In fact, the tuner modules in the HR10 can tune NTSC stations, but with no encoder, it's a useless ability.)

And that's not "streaming"; it's simply downloading what's on the hard drive. There aren't any rate limits; you get it as fast as it can process it. And there's no transcoding going on, just "encryption" on standard systems. (hacked systems turn the scrambling off and send literally block for block what's on the drive.)
Rakeesh

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They can stream. S1 units never came with any kind of network functionality (just used a dialup modem to call home) yet many of us added one anyways.

Simba7
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Re: So a $129 device just to stream to my ios device?

said by Rakeesh:

They can stream. S1 units never came with any kind of network functionality (just used a dialup modem to call home) yet many of us added one anyways.

Same with some of the S2 units. Just add a USB Network Adapter and hack the TiVo OS a little and you're set.
cramer

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Raleigh, NC
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Because that little box is doing more than just streaming. It's transcoding the stream from the tivo to something more appropriate for iOS device. (most likely mpeg2 to mpeg4) To date, no tivo platform has the system processor power to transcode and run the system at the same time.

Simba7
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Re: So a $129 device just to stream to my ios device?

said by cramer:

To date, no tivo platform has the system processor power to transcode and run the system at the same time.

No.. They just have a different chip to do it. They offload the encoding/transcoding parts to that chip from the system processor.
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Re: So a $129 device just to stream to my ios device?

said by Simba7:

said by cramer:

To date, no tivo platform has the system processor power to transcode and run the system at the same time.

No.. They just have a different chip to do it. They offload the encoding/transcoding parts to that chip from the system processor.

No Tivo has such an offloading chip than can transcode mpeg2 into mpeg4, much less 4 HD streams simultaneously. That's WHY the Stream exists.
cramer

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Re: So a $129 device just to stream to my ios device?

Actually, they do... but the chip is setup as an MPEG encoder, not transcoder. (I think it was the THD???)
nowayout

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Re: So a $129 device just to stream to my ios device?

That's what I said. No such transcoding chip exists in the box. There's a DEcoder to playback content, but not transcode it.

aaronwt
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said by cramer:

Because that little box is doing more than just streaming. It's transcoding the stream from the tivo to something more appropriate for iOS device. (most likely mpeg2 to mpeg4) To date, no tivo platform has the system processor power to transcode and run the system at the same time.

Even a high end PC can't do what the stream can as quick as it can. The stream can do it in faster than realtime, and I think up to 4 concurrent streams.

Simba7
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Re: So a $129 device just to stream to my ios device?

said by aaronwt:

Even a high end PC can't do what the stream can as quick as it can. The stream can do it in faster than realtime, and I think up to 4 concurrent streams.

Like I said, probably using a custom ASIC. Plus, there is no "faster than realtime" unless it can fetch stuff from the future.

..and yes, a high-end PC can do that. Just off-load it to the graphics card and/or a Tesla/Fermi processing card.
nowayout

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Re: So a $129 device just to stream to my ios device?

said by Simba7:

said by aaronwt:

Even a high end PC can't do what the stream can as quick as it can. The stream can do it in faster than realtime, and I think up to 4 concurrent streams.

Like I said, probably using a custom ASIC. Plus, there is no "faster than realtime" unless it can fetch stuff from the future.

..and yes, a high-end PC can do that. Just off-load it to the graphics card and/or a Tesla/Fermi processing card.

When a 1-hour program is encoded in 30 minutes, that's faster than real-time.

PhoenixDown
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Why not just record in MPEG4 to begin with? Double the HDD space at the same time which would add more value.
comp
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Re: So a $129 device just to stream to my ios device?

Because Tivo Records what the source is. 99% of cable companies and ALL OTA is transmitted in MPEG-2

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Re: So a $129 device just to stream to my ios device?

said by comp:

99% of cable companies and ALL OTA is transmitted in MPEG-2

They're working on switching to H.264 for more efficiency. All that's typically required is a firmware update.

For now, we're using the incredibly inefficient A/52-53 setup.
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Re: So a $129 device just to stream to my ios device?

said by Simba7:

said by comp:

99% of cable companies and ALL OTA is transmitted in MPEG-2

They're working on switching to H.264 for more efficiency. All that's typically required is a firmware update.

For now, we're using the incredibly inefficient A/52-53 setup.

They may be working on it but my comment was directed at the comment to record in MPEG-4 which they cant do. The Stream is a great device and Android support is on the way
KenAF

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Arlington, VA
It is not clearly stated in the article, but the TiVo Stream will simultaneously stream different recordings and channels to up to four devices without interrupting what is showing on TV. One person can watch a program on TV while four (yes, four) others can watch separate programs, live or recorded, on their iPads. [The $249 TiVo Premiere X4 has four tuners.]

While few families have four iPads to watch four different recordings or channels simultaneously, plus another channel or recording on their TV, the capability is there and will be more useful once TiVo releases its Android app (announced), TiVo Mini extender for TVs (announced), and PC and/or Xbox360 streaming support (not yet announced).

The TiVo Stream also enables iOS users to download (for playback later) four different recordings simultaneously, one per iOS device.

MovieLover76

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If it allowed streaming over the internet to an iOS or Android phone or tablet, then maybe it would be worth it.
To stream to the next room, not so much.

lgk11

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yep look at vulkano..

already works with android .. higher res. much cheaper.

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Re: yep look at vulkano..

Hmm - so if I have one of these devices and VPN to the set top's network. Can this be a ghetto extender? Can it scheduling recording for the parent?
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Re: yep look at vulkano..

you get full access via an onscreen remote so you can do anything.. dont even need vpn they have some wort of proxy through them on certain ports.. but i have mine on a public ip.
Killersaurus

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Nice VCR

Still get much use out of that?

Simba7
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Re: Nice VCR

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My AV Cabinet
I know I do (Panasonic AG-1970). Along with an LD Player.

jjoshua
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How about watching on another TV?

Does Tivo have a device that lets me watch recorded shows on another TV in my house?
NJFIOS

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Re: How about watching on another TV?

I thought thats what this was when it first came out,

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Re: How about watching on another TV?

said by NJFIOS:

I thought thats what this was when it first came out,

That would be the TiVo Mini. Which is supposed to be released later this year or early next year.

aaronwt
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I wanted to get a TiVo Stream.....

but it only works with Apple products. Which I don't have. Andorid support is supposed to come, but when? It could be next Spring for all I know. So instead of giving that money to TiVo, I gave it to sling Media and bought a SlingBox 350. I will still probably get a Stream, but I'll wait for the price to drop to $100 or wait for a refurb Stream to show up.
dcborn61

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Bethesda, MD

MoCA

Story is incorrect, you can access a TiVo that is connected via MoCA as well. And while TiVo only officially supports ethernet or MoCA connections, there are reports of those with WiFi connections working too.
BiggA

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Missed the boat on multi-room

What they really need is a streamer to stream over Ethernet or MoCA from a TiVo Premiere to clients. A $550 box that you have to re-buy and power for each room is ridiculous. A lot of cablecos are doing it for like $10/mo per TV, that makes a lot more sense than a one-time of $550/TV. And for the enthusiasts, who TiVo used to cater to, they've all moved to Windows MCE with XBOXs and soon the Ceton Echo.

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swarto112
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got both Premiere XL4 and Stream

the day the stream released. omg, luv them. Have the old TiVo HD XL as well. Love the whole she-bang. The kids and wife luv the streaming in house to the Apple products as well as the downloadable shows as well for trips. LOT easier then using TiVo desktop with the dual conversion...way faster. The four tuners....ugh, got so much to watch now

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Dish TV

FYI: We recently upgraded to the Hopper PVR for Dish TV. For the other TV's in the home you get a receiver called a Joey which can stream from the DVR and control most every other function on the DVR. I also bought the Dish Slingbox for $49. The apps for Android and iOS are free and you can watch recorded or live TV and control timers remotely. The apps are free unlike the apps for the regular Slingbox.
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Stream vs slingbox?

I have my TiVo hooked up to a basic slingbox that I picked up for about $50. Sounds like the slingbox does pretty much does the same thing for a lot less. Plus my cable company puts the copyright tag on about 90% of my recordings so the stream would be useless to me. No problems with the slingbox.
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KenAF

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Re: Stream vs slingbox?

The TiVo streams live and recorded content with the copyright flag around the home, but it won't allow you to download and save that protected content on your device. One major advantage of the TiVo Stream over the Slingbox is that it allows you to watch a live or recorded program that is different from what is currently showing on the TV. The TiVo Steam's output is independent from the TV output.

As noted in an earlier post, the TiVo Stream will simultaneously stream different recordings and channels to up to four devices without interrupting what is showing on TV. One person can watch a program on TV while four (yes, four) others can watch separate programs, live or recorded, on their iPads. Few families have four iPads, but this capability will be more useful once TiVo releases its Android app (announced), TiVo Mini extender for TVs (announced), and PC and/or Xbox360 streaming support (not yet announced). There is also the possibility that TiVo will enable streaming outside the home with a future software update, to up to four devices simultaneously; that would be a killer feature that would render the Slingbox obsolete.
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Look at Monsoon products

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Jason Nealis
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RCN and the Stream..

Just wanted to ensure everyone is aware of the RCN position on the stream since it was highlighted that steams with MSO provided boxes could be an issue.

RCN at this point is supporting the RETAIL stream with our Quad Tuner RCN TiVo. You must have a Quad Tuner TiVo in your home in order to have the stream work. We do NOT support the Stream with a 2 tuner TiVo Premiere. If you have a Quad tuner then we know everything in your home is hardwired and thus stream ready.

RCN is on the VERGE of offering the Stream direct. Once that happens we will no longer support the Retail Stream, you will have to get a Stream from us. Customers who already have a Retail Stream will be grandfathered in and that stream will continue to work.

Details on the RCN provided stream will be communicated soon.

The Stream is pretty damn cool also.. It really enhances the RCN TiVo product.

Jason Nealis
V.P. Engineering / Operations
RCN
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mjmsr
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Lombard, IL

Do I need....

Does one need to have 2 tivo boxes to use this?

I have a Premier with cable card on my main TV and OTA in another room with ATV (have 2 ATV's).

Could I in essence use the Tivo Stream and use airplay on my other TV by going though my iPad or other iOS and airplay?

I am thinking if I could do this, then I could in essence watch cable TV on my other television by going through Premier -> Tivo Stream -> iOS -> Airplay -> ATV

No?
lestat99

join:2000-08-04
Piscataway, NJ

Re: Do I need....

No unfortunately that wouldn't work. The Tivo stream will only stream to the Tivo iOS app and the Tivo iOS app doesn't support Airplay. Would be nice. What you are asking for is the Tivo Mini which is due out in a few months.

I do have a Tivo stream and have to say that I use it quite a bit. For example, we only have a single Tivo Premier in the house. So if my wife is watching something on the TV connected to the Tivo I can still watch some of my recorded shows from my iPad.
decifal

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Bon Aqua, TN
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eh

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