 | | wow So basically if you are like me in a suburb of nyc but not in nyc and dont get verizon dsl or fios but in verizon territory you are screwed. I find it funny that cablevision thinks i am important enough to get internet service but verizon doesnt. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: wow It's likely that your municipality's franchise agreement with Cablevision is to be thanked for your service coverage. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: wow I was referring to the claim that Cablevision cares about your neighborhood. | |
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| | | said by majortom1029:So basically if you are like me in a suburb of nyc but not in nyc and dont get verizon dsl or fios but in verizon territory you are screwed. I find it funny that cablevision thinks i am important enough to get internet service but verizon doesnt. Hey, same situation here in Bartow Florida. Verizon territory but no dsl and I doubt if we will ever see fios. Have to rely on Comcast
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Levittown, PA | were all so impatient I guess we forget how long Cable took to build out their system. I remember growing up in South Jersey and it took years before cable was in our area and even when it was there it didn't have all the channels and features others had. then when the Cable Co's started selling internet it was years before that was available in our area. Now the difference was that there were a lot of small cable companies all doing the work at once all spending the money to upgrade so deployment was happening simultaneously in lots of regions. Now we have just a few players and Verizon is upgrading but its going to take a lot longer then we all would like. I'm glad I moved into a Fios area. | |
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join:2004-01-26
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kudos:2 | Re: were all so impatient said by kleinml:I guess we forget how long Cable took to build out their system. Or how long it took to build out initial dialtone to everyone after being mandated to do so. | |
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Grove City, PA | Re: were all so impatient said by hottboiinnc:Those areas will always have copper from VZ until they're sold off or until VZ sees a real threat moving in. Not until then will they ever see anything else. I thought that was what cable has been doing to them for the last decade?
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kudos:1 | Heck, I live less than 19 miles from Billy Penn's hat in center city Philly, I couldn't get cable until 1993 or so.
And you're right, it was a bunch of smaller companies doing build outs. Around here it was Subruban Cable.
We were fortunate that we were one of the first people in our area to be able to get HSI via cable long before we could DSL. This was just as broadband was starting to get bigger (1998/99) We're on the very outer regions of my CO.
About 4 or 5 years ago, Verizon installed a RT down the street and I have DSL for a while. Now I have Fios.
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Henrietta, NY | 15/1 for $50? That's not that bad of a deal, considering I'm paying the same for 2.5/300k. | |
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Yeah, I don't think so.
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kudos:2 | Re: What else are they going to say? said by MyDogHsFleas:I think they're probably de-prioritizing the wired/home investment completely and ramping up wireless investment. Yes, I have no doubt that wireless is the future that will generate the revenue to keep growing. How long until we start asking the question of "have you cut your cable yet" only in the context of your fixed wireline connection to the Internet instead of pay TV and/or voice communication? | |
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kudos:2 | Re: What else are they going to say? I understand spectrum limitations, however I'd still expect to see focus remain on wireless access to the Internet over the next several years. A lot of engineering room still exists to make wireless communications networks more efficient. | |
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join:2004-11-07
Woodbridge, VA | That sounds good for DSL. I wish I could convince my girlfriend to get this instead of the 1mbs DSL she currently has. And she even has FiOS available but will only stick with her 1mbs DSL. | |
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1 edit | Re: That sounds good for DSL. said by chgo_man99:I don't know what you and your girlfriend like, but have you considered watching adult movies with her? she should quicly notice how ugly choppy videos are over 1 mb especially during romantic evening. seriously all what she does is web browsing? no netflix? Netflix works at 1mbs, but it's only SD
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kudos:2 | Re: That sounds good for DSL. What does she pay for her DSL connection in comparison to your FiOS connection? I don't know your gf, but is that the driving reason? It probably would be for me. | |
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Rosendale, NY | That's better than what I get from... Rat.. I mean Road Runner. If that's what the copper will allow, than that's it. I still think that they will eventually squeeze more out of copper though.
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Brooklyn, NY | 15 down is unicorns This is tempting but, seriously, why do they offer stuff most of us will never see? You get all worked up, call customer service, sit through horrible music only to be told they've never heard of it or your area isn't one of the lucky ones. Pfffft. Oh well, back to almost 3 down... | |
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Walden, NY | It could be worse... I'm surrounded by Verizon FiOS territory, stuck in the middle of Frontier land with 3MB DSL and NO HOPE of fiber connectivity from that telco... EVER. I refuse to overpay for Road Runner's DOCSIS 1.1 crap so I'm roughing it out on their basic 1.5MB service.
Wireless IS the future for data. If Virgin Mobile has a decent signal here I just might jump over to their $40/month unlimited deal and kick Time Warner Cable to the curb.
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| Re: It could be worse... just wait for those areas to become Frontier as well. VZ isn't going to keep their copper network much longer. I give them about another 4-5 years and what ever isn't FiOS they'll sell off to someone else and keep building out their (still in the lab) LTE.
And as far as VM why not check the Sprint Coverage Map. It does street level mapping for signal. VM is a Sprint company.
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kudos:1 | FIOS where? Hudson Valley doesn't have FIOS except for Newburg AFAIK. | |
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Walden, NY | Re: It could be worse... said by patcat88:FIOS where? Hudson Valley doesn't have FIOS except for Newburg AFAIK. MIL has it in the Village of Fishkill; her nephew has FiOS outside the Dutchess County airport. It's supposed to be rolling out to the City of Beacon and surrounding Town of Fishkill soon.
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College Point, NY
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1 edit | For real, nah not a chance for the other 70m VZ subscribers VZ's fios deployment in NYC is selective even within specific zip codes and city blocks, and if you are far from the CO - keep waiting for fios (2014, eventually will come)
Now, if VZ is having trouble delivering the basic speed or lower tiers, whether it's 1.5/384 or 3.0/768 - never mind the sometimes/often/mostly & really just above dial-up speed plan of barely up to 768/128 or 1.0/128 that's basically useless these days except to do text-based email (seriously) - at many locales, I have zero, no confidence whatsoever that VZ will deliver and meet its promised speed for those 4 million qualified customer base in selective CO sites.
That leaves, oh, what .... hmm, about 70+ million out in the 20th century infrastructure over copper.
Can't wait to see what the next round of cable HSI ads will look like but my feeling is the Madison Ave. is going to have lots of creative fun on spinning their own PR & marketing to challenge Big Red. | |
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| I'm Still Pleasantly Surprised Frankly, I thought that they would never upgrade anywhere to another DSL based technology.
Of course, this just had to come after they dumped all of those areas to Frontier (including where my parents live). Now those areas are extremely unlikely to get any kind of upgrade at all.
On a different note, how about actual DSL roll-outs? In the last five years, has there been even one address that can now get DSL, that couldn't five years ago? So far it seems that basically, if you can't get it now, you'll never be able to get it. Then again, I've always lived in a Verizon (now Frontier) or AT&T (formerly SBC) area. | |
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| Re: I'm Still Pleasantly Surprised they can upgrade DSL technology all they want. but what is the true world speeds. They may get these speeds in the lab but real world is what people are going to care about. And how far do they have to live from the CO? 25 wire feet?
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Baltimore, MD | Re: I'm Still Pleasantly Surprised I had 10Mbps/1Mbps DSL at 7500' and got pretty much full speed minus overhead all the time. It was pretty sweet, until I moved last month and stuck with CenturyLink or Comcast. Hmm, 3/768 or 15/3... Guess which I chose. | |
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| Re: Wow... You need add 5mbps on upload. Just did a quick search on Portsmouth and it shows a high poverty rate and rather low average income. Not the ideal place for Verizon to build out a premium service.
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Dunellen, NJ | DSL, still? VZ still is pushing DSL here in my part of NJ. The service they give on that copper though, is just terrible. Lines a few blocks away, and my phone had static. My next door neighbors, had no phones for days, had internet though, on a separate drop. Things like that are quite common place, at least in my neighborhood. How the heck are they expecting people to even consider that sort of offering? | |
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Los Angeles, CA | Some interesting Verizon revelations. Here is something interesting.
I was recently forced to switched from DSL to cable and I'll tell you why in a minute.
I had been a Verizon DSL user for over 6 years. As I started to rely on my cellphone more than my landline, I started to become a bit irked that I had to pay $40 a month for the land line just to keep the DSL, which was another $40. The cable company was able to offer me a cheaper, more extensive phone plan, and I had heard that the phone companies had to, by law, offer "naked DSL" now. I had called Verizon to confirm that I could get "naked DSL" also called a dry loop, and they said I could. So I signed up for a cable phone and had my phone number ported over to the cable company.
When I called Verizon to ask them to cancel my phone account and switch my DSL over to a dry loop plan, they told me they couldn't do it. I was a little confused about this because the DSL at the time was still working, and since the line no longer had a number assigned to it, it WAS a dry loop, and I pointed this out to them. Eventually I was transfered to billing. Apparently the people in Verizon's billing department know the answer to everything...trust me on this.
I was told that they could not transfer my account to a dry loop billing plan because there was no option to do it in the system. I was further informed that they actually no longer offer DSL in may area at all. They were just allowing existing customers to keep it.
When I asked why, I was by the rep.. "I don't know when it's going to happen, but in your area we will eventually start converting the system to FIOS and will only be offering FIOS service."
Other reps I spoke to knew nothing about it.
But I was forced to convert to cable because in their system they could not put me on a dry loop billing plan and the DSL would "magically" stop working without a number on the line, they assumed, or as the legend goes...I don't know how that works. I'm curious how it will actually go down, but I don't want to be stuck with a big bill for anything so I'm not going to stick around and find out. So I called the cable company and asked them to switch on the internet.
Once I completely cancel my Verizon account, I won't be able to go back to DSL.
I have to say, I'm kind of hesitant to make the call because I've not yet sorted out why the cable connection drops so frequently, and the DSL gets a connection faster when I first connect, and seems smoother in general, but I have no choice unless I want to port the phone number back to Verizon and pay $80 a month for phone + internet. | |
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I want to be able to play WoW outside of our solar system with no latency. Why? Because it'd be so cool.
. Maybe THEN she will get FiOS.
Wow... You need add 5mbps on upload.
