Verizon 30Mbps 'Fios' - Fiber to the premises gets name, price

Verizon 30Mbps 'Fios'
Fiber to the premises gets name, price
(old news - 11:06AM Monday Jul 19 2004)
tags: Fiber · telco

Fiber to the home on a large scale is years (if not a decade) away, but Verizon's fiber trial in Keller, Texas is the foundation for their "Fios" service. The company's latest press release indicates trial participants have a choice between 5Mbps/1Mbps ($35, bundled), 15/2Mbps ($45, bundled) and 30Mbps/5Mbps (no price set) speed packages. "Thousands of people can now see for themselves that fiber from Verizon is coming down their streets and heading straight for their doors, and the excitement in these communities is building," says Paul Lacouture, president of Verizon's Network Services group.

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FLECOM Bay Networks Freak Premium join:2003-03-03 Miami, FL 1 edit	is this new? i will believe it when i see it its not tax time is it? they looking for more breaks for next year? anyway im sure it would be caped or something, or have some nazi tos where you can only use it for browsing the web and of course, no servers -- BellSouth sucks
	permalink · 2004-07-19 10:26:45 ·

edelite join:2004-05-24 US	Re: is this new? This is actually old news... people have been reporting fiber lines going up in these areas (and Verizon has been publicly releasing PR's and photos of the Keller, TX area). Unfortunately, the deployment area involves politics . (what's new)?
	permalink · 2004-07-19 10:44:31 ·

vic102482 Premium join:2002-04-30 Upper Marlboro, MD	said by FLECOM : i will believe it when i see it Nuff said, verizon does impress me with their combination of smoke, mirrors, and old copper lines. -- I tie a rope around my penis and jump from a tree, don't you wanna grow up to be just like me!!!!
	permalink · 2004-07-19 11:48:58 ·

BosstonesOwn

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Re: is this new?

said by vic102482 :

said by FLECOM :
i will believe it when i see it

Nuff said, verizon does impress me with their combination of smoke, mirrors, and old copper lines.

They do impress me taking the initiative needed to grow into the future.

I like to read stuff like this and if they ever wire my area wishful thinking since i am one city over from their map. Id definitely pop for the 30 meg package just to show support. I also invest in Verizon as well So I have double interests

The areas they deploy too they have to be political about. NJ is notorious for causing Verizon losses on the costs of line sharing. So they are going for the bank books in the areas they don't have to worry about losing much money.

Now to go and find out how much a straight 2 mile piece of fiber will cost me to jump it off the next city over.

makes me wonder If I want to order dsl now.
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This package does not contain a winner...

permalink · 2004-07-19 11:59:07 · Print ·

soothsayer15 join:2002-03-01 Irving, TX	Another naysayer, Verizon could save your life and you would have an issue with the way it was done. Please research before posting, you can run a web server and service has already been deployed in Keller, TX. It been hammered to death on this board.
	permalink · 2004-07-19 13:32:47 ·

hypocrit @optonline.net	The speeds are nowhere near symmetric, and barely suprpass cable.. they need to kick it up a notch.. 15mbit for basic, 30 for intermetiate and 50 for the topnotch.. with no more that 50% less for upstream.. Emeril says kick it up a notch! And that's not all-- cut the prices further for voice bundles!
	permalink · 2004-07-19 14:14:40 ·

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Re: is this new?

said by hypocrit:
The speeds are nowhere near symmetric, and barely suprpass cable.. they need to kick it up a notch.. 15mbit for basic, 30 for intermetiate and 50 for the topnotch.. with no more that 50% less for upstream..

Emeril says kick it up a notch!
And that's not all-- cut the prices further for voice bundles!

permalink · 2004-07-19 16:02:39 · Print ·

Speedy8 Premium join:2002-08-22 Alliance, OH clubs:	Re: is this new? True enough, but really, why can't they offer more upload speed? If they are stringing up the fiber what is preventing them from doing more upload?
	permalink · 2004-07-19 17:01:02 ·

soothsayer15 join:2002-03-01 Irving, TX	Re: is this new? Man you guys are whiners, don't use it then. Go to your other provider that offers 2-5 Mbps upstream.
	permalink · 2004-07-19 17:09:45 ·

cyrus369

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said by Speedy8 :
True enough, but really, why can't they offer more upload speed? If they are stringing up the fiber what is preventing them from doing more upload?

dont know but if they do offer something like 15/15 or 30/30 i think that would cut from thier profits on ds1, ds3 lines and the such plus for residential use what is the point in offering such high uploads? so more people can torrent, kazza, p2p or whatever? if they do offer it im sure there will be some limits on it otherwise thier higher cost lines like ds1, ds3 will suffer.

permalink · 2004-07-19 18:03:06 · Print ·

mieses join:2001-06-22 Beverly Hills, CA	Re: is this new? so how are poeple supposed to use the net? is that 15mbps supposed to be for reading email and watching banner ads? what's wrong with "torrent, kazza, p2p or whatever"? what about running web, vnc, or vpn servers? multiple voip lines? video phones? or are those services also no-no's unless we're being charged extra for them?
	permalink · 2004-07-19 20:16:58 ·

cyrus369

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Re: is this new?

said by mieses :
so how are poeple supposed to use the net? is that 15mbps supposed to be for reading email and watching banner ads? what's wrong with "torrent, kazza, p2p or whatever"? what about running web, vnc, or vpn servers? multiple voip lines? video phones? or are those services also no-no's unless we're being charged extra for them?

theres nothing wrong with them, unless your just pirating more crap which is what most use them for. and i never said anything about running web, vnc, or vpn servers or anything about voip or anything like it. the only reason people want such high download and upload is mostly so they can pirate crap which is what i was really saying. hell i would even put up a couple of servers if i had that kind of bandwidth, but they are not going to do that because they want you to buy one of thier over prices lines instead.

permalink · 2004-07-19 23:35:45 · Print ·

DooD

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said by cyrus369 :

said by hypocrit:
The speeds are nowhere near symmetric, and barely suprpass cable.. they need to kick it up a notch.. 15mbit for basic, 30 for intermetiate and 50 for the topnotch.. with no more that 50% less for upstream..

Emeril says kick it up a notch!
And that's not all-- cut the prices further for voice bundles!

jeeeezzz, you people are never happy.is anyone using anything near 15/2 in thier home right now? or how about 30/5? if i was offered the 15/2 for 45 a freakin month i would take it and not say a peep, hell its better than the 60 a month im paying for comcast. t?

Seriously. I'm getting shafted on base by Sprint - $38 for 500/128 (and the latency is equivalent to dial-up). Now I'm a speed freak too but I draw a line somewhere. I guess you will always have those people who will never be satisfied till they're surfing with their tits on fire and their harddrive barely able to keep up

permalink · 2004-07-19 23:36:33 · Print ·

lukemason join:2000-09-14 Schenectady, NY clubs:	Re: is this new? With SATA HDD's Out they can Take at least a 60 Meg DL speed or more . -- what ever duz not kill you makes u stronger =0)~
	permalink · 2004-07-20 09:22:16 ·

cyrus369

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said by DooD :

said by cyrus369 :

said by hypocrit:
The speeds are nowhere near symmetric, and barely suprpass cable.. they need to kick it up a notch.. 15mbit for basic, 30 for intermetiate and 50 for the topnotch.. with no more that 50% less for upstream..

Emeril says kick it up a notch!
And that's not all-- cut the prices further for voice bundles!

jeeeezzz, you people are never happy.is anyone using anything near 15/2 in thier home right now? or how about 30/5? if i was offered the 15/2 for 45 a freakin month i would take it and not say a peep, hell its better than the 60 a month im paying for comcast. t?

Seriously. I'm getting shafted on base by Sprint - $38 for 500/128 (and the latency is equivalent to dial-up). Now I'm a speed freak too but I draw a line somewhere. I guess you will always have those people who will never be satisfied till they're surfing with their tits on fire and their harddrive barely able to keep up

well when they are the only game in town they can charge what they want and give you not much in return. at the prices verizon is offering im being shafted from comcast with my 3000/256 for 55 a month.

permalink · 2004-07-20 13:22:20 · Print ·

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jeeeezzz, you people are never happy.is anyone using anything near 15/2 in thier home right now? or how about 30/5? if i was offered the 15/2 for 45 a freakin month i would take it and not say a peep, hell its better than the 60 a month im paying for comcast. t?

Well, here's the first thing that's going to happen in 2004 if tney deploy those fiber lines, that $90 per month they get for their top package of VOICE service gets hammered to voip with no $12-20 per month in taxes and surcharges saving about $50 per month in overcharges, like $600 per year!!,
Next, content delivered cheap instead of full retail store price like charging $20 per audio cd in the 1990's and make you buy the whole thing..
Next, alacarte cable programming so we don't have to take channels that suck..If we don't want fox news channel, or abc or disney, than we don't buy it anyway because it's in the package.. and dont even try to overcharge us b/c it will backfire with re-streaming content at low bit rates.. so give us a fair deal or watch the new napster for cable tv(spring to life)!!
A fair deal, oh yea
one more fantasy thing.. can I get an independant candidate on the presidential ticket please, and no fries with that!
It's called fair deals and REAL competition.. vz had to cut their price because of an inferior product for years now-- don't think just b/c those cute red lettering trucks lay fiber that's overcharged for is going to make them alot of money.. try again--also it can't replace copper yet because we don't have long-term battery backedup voip(or video phone) hardware solutions yet--hint hint maybe 2006-2007 product lines, but not 2004

permalink · 2004-07-21 00:51:06 · Print ·

cyrus369

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Re: is this new?

said by contentorbust:
jeeeezzz, you people are never happy.is anyone using anything near 15/2 in thier home right now? or how about 30/5? if i was offered the 15/2 for 45 a freakin month i would take it and not say a peep, hell its better than the 60 a month im paying for comcast. t?

Well, here's the first thing that's going to happen in 2004 if tney deploy those fiber lines, that $90 per month they get for their top package of VOICE service gets hammered to voip with no $12-20 per month in taxes and surcharges saving about $50 per month in overcharges, like $600 per year!!,
Next, content delivered cheap instead of full retail store price like charging $20 per audio cd in the 1990's and make you buy the whole thing..
Next, alacarte cable programming so we don't have to take channels that suck..If we don't want fox news channel, or abc or disney, than we don't buy it anyway because it's in the package.. and dont even try to overcharge us b/c it will backfire with re-streaming content at low bit rates.. so give us a fair deal or watch the new napster for cable tv(spring to life)!!
A fair deal, oh yea
one more fantasy thing.. can I get an independant candidate on the presidential ticket please, and no fries with that!
It's called fair deals and REAL competition.. vz had to cut their price because of an inferior product for years now-- don't think just b/c those cute red lettering trucks lay fiber that's overcharged for is going to make them alot of money.. try again--also it can't replace copper yet because we don't have long-term battery backedup voip(or video phone) hardware solutions yet--hint hint maybe 2006-2007 product lines, but not 2004

well i doubt anything close to that will happen in 2004 since the year is half over already. 2005? maybe but before half of what your saying comes true fiber will have to be more widespread and at the cost per mile it is going to take awhile, by time fiber will finally be deployed on a large scale i will be too old to care or dead so im not going to hold my breath waiting for it.

permalink · 2004-07-24 00:02:02 · Print ·

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said by hypocrit:
The speeds are nowhere near symmetric, and barely suprpass cable.. they need to kick it up a notch.. 15mbit for basic, 30 for intermetiate and 50 for the topnotch.. with no more that 50% less for upstream..

Emeril says kick it up a notch!
And that's not all-- cut the prices further for voice bundles!

Who's talking.. a 10/1 guy.. No where near symmetric? Its surely more symmetric than your 10/1 cause its 15/2, To be equally symmetric as your connection it has to be 20/2.

permalink · 2004-07-23 20:00:45 · Print ·

scootermul join:2004-07-28 Keller, TX	Verizon is going to blow One Source Communication out of the water! I have to pay them $50/month for 2mps. Get 5mps for $35 is a deal.
	permalink · 2004-07-28 15:43:05 ·

jackster

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Verizon has been installing fiber in my neighborhood all of this summer. I was wondering what it was all about, it seemed like a big investment for a neighborhood of 50 year old houses. I can't wait to see what they offer in terms of broadband and maybe digital cable. I'd love to tell Comcast to get stuffed or get my $100 monthly cable bill reduced. I live in Silver Spring MD about 10 miles from Capitol Hill and the Whitehouse, wonder if this has anything to do with this early roll out?:)

permalink · 2004-07-27 13:21:06 ·

mdc10s join:2004-05-23 Valrico, FL	Hi i live in Valrico outside of Tampa and a Verizon contractor was hooking up the fiber splice kit in my new gray verizon fiber box in the front yard and i talked to him for awhile. He said they will have some of the first people up and running by next month possibly. Cant wait. will keep you up to date.
	permalink · 2004-08-07 20:13:26 ·

Amazed53

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Re: is this new?

said by mdc10s :
Hi i live in Valrico outside of Tampa and a Verizon contractor was hooking up the fiber splice kit in my new gray verizon fiber box in the front yard and i talked to him for awhile. He said they will have some of the first people up and running by next month possibly. Cant wait. will keep you up to date.

Hey guy, I'm in Valrico, FL myself... Bloomingdale East Subdivision... I spoke with a repair guy that was fixing my indoor wiring, (not for fiber) and he didn't give me that much info, except to say they are running the conduit in the area now. What neighborhood you in?..... hope it's close!!!

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rosco Premium join:2003-11-10 USA	All I want to know is... Where do I sign? I pay $34.95 for 1500/384...so I will gladly take the 15000/2000 package for $45.:D:D
	permalink · 2004-07-19 10:26:58 ·

wwefan2003 join:2003-08-06 Monroeville, PA	Re: All I want to know is... Me too ...
	permalink · 2004-07-19 10:37:06 ·

Vich22 join:2004-04-09 Owings Mills, MD	said by rosco : Where do I sign? I pay $34.95 for 1500/384...so I will gladly take the 15000/2000 package for $45.:D:D Seriously! Hahha , yeah right
	permalink · 2004-07-19 10:37:15 ·

Omega Displaced Ohioan Premium join:2002-07-30 Cheyenne, WY clubs: ·Bresnan Online ·Verizon Wireless B.. ·Comcast ·AT&T Midwest	said by rosco : Where do I sign? I pay $34.95 for 1500/384...so I will gladly take the 15000/2000 package for $45.:D:D I'm paying $39 for 3000/384, I would love 15000/2000. I hope this catches on. -- Bush 2004 My site SBC DSL 2650/384
	permalink · 2004-07-19 11:45:00 ·

Anti_Cyrix Premium join:2003-03-06 Sacramento, CA	Re: All I want to know is... said by Omega : said by rosco : Where do I sign? I pay $34.95 for 1500/384...so I will gladly take the 15000/2000 package for $45.:D:D I'm paying $39 for 3000/384, I would love 15000/2000. I hope this catches on. And I'm paying $50 for 10,000/10,000. I think I'll keep mine.
	permalink · 2004-07-19 19:27:02 · Print ·

rosco Premium join:2003-11-10 USA ·Verizon Online DSL	Re: All I want to know is... said by Anti_Cyrix : And I'm paying $50 for 10,000/10,000. I think I'll keep mine. lucky you
	permalink · 2004-07-19 21:09:52 ·

d0k101 join:2004-07-16 Red Bank, NJ	Who is providing 10M/10M for $50??
	permalink · 2004-07-20 16:48:33 ·

rosco Premium join:2003-11-10 USA ·Verizon Online DSL	Re: All I want to know is... said by d0k101 : Who is providing 10M/10M for $50?? »www.surewest.net
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d0k101 join:2004-07-16 Red Bank, NJ	Re: All I want to know is... Did they have to may config changes to the TCP window size in the OS to support this speed??
	permalink · 2004-07-29 14:54:29 ·

Comcast-dude @comcast.net	Here's the kicker for Surewest and this 10Mb up/down: 40gb of unidirectional throughput per month limit. It also mentions the 10Mb number as "burstable". Oh, and Surewest's service area is 83 square miles (basically just the Sacramento area).
	permalink · 2004-07-21 10:40:55 ·

rosco
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Re: All I want to know is...

said by Comcast-dude:
Here's the kicker for Surewest and this 10Mb up/down:
40gb of unidirectional throughput per month limit. It also mentions the 10Mb number as "burstable". Oh, and Surewest's service area is 83 square miles (basically just the Sacramento area).

wish i lived in Sacramento, although that 40GB limit would be hit the first week with those speeds...hell, I hit 30GB unidirectional halfway through the month on my 1.5mbit Verison DSL

permalink · 2004-07-21 10:44:39 · Print ·

mcman join:2000-09-24 Brandon, MB	I pay $39 CDN so $30 US for 3MBS/Down 1MBS/Up. www.westmancom.com
	permalink · 2004-07-19 15:23:47 ·

kennydillon Premium join:2002-06-09 Goddard, KS	said by rosco : Where do I sign? I pay $34.95 for 1500/384...so I will gladly take the 15000/2000 package for $45.:D:D I 2nd that!
	permalink · 2004-07-19 16:01:30 ·

pcscdma Chocobo Chocobo Random Battle Premium join:2004-01-14 Winterset, IA clubs:	PA Just wait until the Pennsylvanian's get fiber. However long that is.
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nasadude

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believe it when i see it

yep, me too - if it's not passing my home, it's not doing me any good. I can't even get damn DSL where I live; I get to pay comcast $60 f'ing $$ a month for broadband.

I am getting ready to completely get rid of verizon: got vonage for regular phone, gonna drop Vz wireless for another wireless. Gonna tell them to call me when the fiber is ready to hook up to the house - don't want any copper wire services from them anymore.

On the good side, maybe this will encourage comcast to either up their speeds more (docsis 2.0) or drop the price. not gonna hold my breath, however.

permalink · 2004-07-19 10:43:30 · Print ·

wwefan2003 join:2003-08-06 Monroeville, PA	Re: believe it when i see it If Pa gets fiber, it will prolly be Pittsburgh Area, Harrisburg Area and Philadelphia Area that will get the Fiber Deployment.
	permalink · 2004-07-19 10:52:55 ·

dsless join:2001-05-16 Pittsburgh, PA	Verizon Provides CCTC in West Virginia Copper Crap to Curb. We will get fiber 10 years after PA. get thiers.
	permalink · 2004-07-19 10:52:43 ·

SquareSlinky Premium join:2004-05-25 Tampa, FL	Great News! Those prices are great! Good to see this news. For those in these areas I am sure this brings many smiles.
	permalink · 2004-07-19 10:56:33 ·

p212004 join:2004-02-18 Hicksville, NY	Really when is this coming to NY
	permalink · 2004-07-19 11:01:30 ·

madrhino join:2004-07-03	Huh? Does Keller,Texas have any reason to exist?Why would they use a bumf*** place like this ?
	permalink · 2004-07-19 11:03:51 ·

edelite join:2004-05-24 US	Re: Huh? It was an easy (and cost-effective) infrastructure to deploy FTTP. They were just using this test-subject to try things out and see how it goes.
	permalink · 2004-07-19 11:11:26 ·

cjynx Whatchu Talkin' Bout join:2003-01-13 Pittsburgh, PA	exactly, The cow population probably outnumbers the human population.
	permalink · 2004-07-19 13:14:26 ·

soothsayer15 join:2002-03-01 Irving, TX 4 edits	Keller is not BFE, it is a well to do suburb of Dallas. No, most Verizon execs do not live in Keller, they live in Southlake. Those of you in DFW should know. People speak too much without knowing what they are talking about, Willis.
	permalink · 2004-07-19 13:35:16 ·

GlennAllen join:2002-11-17 Richmond, VA ·Verizon FIOS	Symmetry Given the applications--communications--for which fiber speeds are beneficial, I would have hoped that the download/upload speeds be more symmetrical, but, hey, 2mbps beats 128kbps (and 768 ...once it gets here). I don't expect fiber to reach central VA till 2007, though.
	permalink · 2004-07-19 11:08:03 ·

ropeguru Premium join:2001-01-25 Bridgeport, WV clubs:	Re: Symmetry Amen to that. It has been a looooong time since I have seen Verizon do anything in this area. Don't expect them to start anytime soon either. All the Northern Virginia yankees are getting everything.
	permalink · 2004-07-19 12:29:51 ·

xv920 join:2002-08-27 Campbell, CA	Yeah, howcome asymmetric on a fiber? Give them 100M both ways. Why not?
	permalink · 2004-07-19 13:58:58 ·

crazediamond That's Dr. Craze to you Premium join:2002-01-19 Germantown, MD	doing the math gee, wonder if ill stick with 3000(ish)/256 for 55 or whatever i currently pay adelphia :P -- Lunatic,Hypocrite, Fanatic, Heretic
	permalink · 2004-07-19 11:08:44 ·

diefree join:2004-04-13 Littleton, CO	Re: doing the math What's the housing market like in Keller?
	permalink · 2004-07-19 11:41:41 ·

BosstonesOwn join:2002-12-15 Everett, MA clubs: ·Comcast ·Comcast Formerly ..	Re: doing the math I am sure it got a lot better once this was announced:) Man I can see the spammers all setting up shop there now. They can out bid us on house prices. I wonder if Keller has any space for new homes -- This package does not contain a winner...
	permalink · 2004-07-19 12:05:33 ·

ronpin Imagine Reality join:2002-12-06 Nirvana ·AT&T Southwest	Re: doing the math Yeah I'm think'n our property values will be going up here. The most amazing thing about most broadband consumers is that they have no idea what fiber enables for them. Who can blame them though -- we've had to wait soooo long for this broadband end-game (fiber). Keller will make a good test case for the many spin-offs sure to follow Verizon's FTTP here.
	permalink · 2004-07-19 12:52:24 ·

hedyd4u Premium join:2003-12-16 Schenectady, NY	»www.cindyruppert.com/properties.html look at this page for property values in Keller.
	permalink · 2004-07-19 15:16:05 ·

TheMadSwede Premium join:2001-01-30 Holland, MI ·Charter Pipeline	Darned companies... and their stupid attempts to improve things. If I can't have exactly what I want instantly - and for free - then I'll continue to rip any effort by any company to improve anything. -- A good idea expressed in a poor manner is a bad idea.
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JE Can I Taste It? Mmmm Premium join:2000-12-15 Brooklyn, NY	NYC? HEloooooooooo, WHAT ABOUT NYC?
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Maggs Premium join:2002-11-29 Woodside, NY	Re: NYC? NYC already has fiber, RCN rolled out 4,500 miles of it in their network a lot of it is in NYC in the ground.
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bklynite Premium join:2001-03-18 Brooklyn, NY clubs:	Re: NYC? said by Maggs : NYC already has fiber, RCN rolled out 4,500 miles of it in their network a lot of it is in NYC in the ground. Really? I can't believe I never heard this. Is RCn actually putting it to use, or it is dark? -- W-Train.com Webmaster \| »www.bklynite.com \| I ♥ NY
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bhan261

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Re: NYC?

It's definitely being put to use...in Manhattan, anyway. They tend to focus on large commercial and residential buildings, however. They wired my co-op a few years ago but were never able to get permission from the City to do the street cut to get the fiber into the building. We always suspected TW had a hand in keeping them out. (TW already had the building "lit". So the co-op took over their conduit and used it to install a T1 and provides free T1 to the tenants.

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schmol join:2001-12-26 Windsor, PA	Fiberless in PA The prices sound great, but we'll never see it in PA. Even if it does come to the harrisburg area, I'm SOL anyway since I sit in the middle of Sprint territory. Guess I'm stuck with Comcast's 3000k/256 service. I would love to have at least 1500/1500.
	permalink · 2004-07-19 13:22:03 ·

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Re: Fiberless in PA

You should see some of the million dollar homes in the Keller/Southlake/Colleyville area. Definitely not BFE, I live 5 minutes away. I've also been to Lehigh Valley, PA (an armpit in my opinion)and many parts of NJ (don't get me started) and I can definitely say that the quality of life of the people in Keller is much higher than most back east. You have most American Airlines execs living out there. And it's definitely easier to run fibre to a new large-estate area than it is to you run-down apartment building in Lodi New Jersey.

permalink · 2004-07-19 13:47:57 · Print ·

Tzale
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Re: Fiberless in PA

said by anonymity:
You should see some of the million dollar homes in the Keller/Southlake/Colleyville area. Definitely not BFE, I live 5 minutes away. I've also been to Lehigh Valley, PA (an armpit in my opinion)and many parts of NJ (don't get me started) and I can definitely say that the quality of life of the people in Keller is much higher than most back east. You have most American Airlines execs living out there. And it's definitely easier to run fibre to a new large-estate area than it is to you run-down apartment building in Lodi New Jersey.

Are you frigging stupid? LODI NJ might not be a hot spot, but it's a nice area. I live in Hasbrouck Heights, the bordering town. This town is very nice, there is no crime whatsoever! I look into the newspaper, and no kidding the police blotter has stuff like a women can't get a turkey out of her fridge, or someone calls the police because there is a guy sitting in a car infront of someones house (waiting for his friend). It's really funny. This is not a run down area, the houses go for $350,000-$700,000. Stop BS'ing about NJ all the time, making it sound like it's crap. Maybe the parts you were in, but not my area.

-Tzale

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You should see some of the million dollar homes in the Keller/Southlake/Colleyville area. Definitely not BFE, I live 5 minutes away. I've also been to Lehigh Valley, PA (an armpit in my opinion)and many parts of NJ (don't get me started) and I can definitely say that the quality of life of the people in Keller is much higher than most back east. You have most American Airlines execs living out there. And it's definitely easier to run fibre to a new large-estate area than it is to you run-down apartment building in Lodi New Jersey.

Just so you know, Verizon is INSTALLING FTTP here in Bergen County. They are planning to have it installed in Heights/Lodi/Wood Ridge in 1-2 years. There is already fiber installed in some towns here, as test sites like Keller.

-Tzale

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DLinkOZ join:2001-10-24 Wylie, TX	Re: Fiberless in PA Wylie (just east of Plano) is getting Verizon's fiber installed as we speak. In fact, my neighborhood has their contracted company upgrading and pulling the fiber as I type this, no less than 3 houses away. I've posted the contents of the announcement found on my door here: »forums.fragonline.net/viewtopic.php?p=6196
	permalink · 2004-08-04 15:25:03 ·

tim_k Buttons, Bows, Beamer, Shadow, Kasey Premium join:2002-02-02 Stewartstown, PA	PA fiber By the time I see this in my area, I'll probably be too old to care anymore.:(
	permalink · 2004-07-19 13:40:12 ·

jap Premium join:2003-08-10 038xx ·RoadRunner Cable	Get your Muni to do it People in un-served areas should ride their local govt HARD to bring connectivity in as a public utility. Ashland started their fiber-to-home in 1997. »www.thompson.com/libraries/cable···303.html reviews other muni networks. People in these locations have it made.
	permalink · 2004-07-19 14:27:50 ·

Maggs Premium join:2002-11-29 Woodside, NY	Re: Get your Muni to do it 2 miles of fiber costs approx $420,000 @ $40 a ft for 5,250 ft in a mile. $420,000 / 3,000 homes = $140 per house. 3,000 homes would have to be apartment buildings.
	permalink · 2004-07-19 14:44:27 ·

hedyd4u Premium join:2003-12-16 Schenectady, NY	Re: Get your Muni to do it As a taxpayer I do not want to pay for fiber. I want to see smaller government not more of it. The Government is invovled in too much as it is.
	permalink · 2004-07-19 15:20:44 ·

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said by hedyd4u :
As a taxpayer I do not want to pay for fiber. I want to see smaller government not more of it. The Government is invovled in too much as it is.

Yeah, unfortunately lots of people would rather pay money to some distant, non-responsive large corp that may or may not continue to serve them rather than keep both the control & the money in their community. Never ceases to baffle me.

permalink · 2004-07-19 16:08:04 · Print ·

BaselineAce join:2004-07-14 Blauvelt, NY	Supposedly it was going to cost between one and two thousand per house.
	permalink · 2004-07-19 16:40:06 ·

goonting join:2003-07-15 ph	I got 128kbps SHDSL
	permalink · 2004-07-19 22:19:54 ·

JohnC Mr. John Premium join:2000-09-22 Hamden, CT	Norwalk Ct. is getting a test FTTH system. SBC has plans to run FTTH in a test for Norwalk Ct. The fiber will handle 4 phone lines, 3M/3M internet and eventually video. Not sure about pricing or specific areas . Maybe one of the SBC guru's has more info. John -- Mr. Simpson, in the Itchy & Scratchy CD ROM, is there a way to get out of the dungeon without using the wizard key?
	permalink · 2004-07-19 15:38:51 ·

dont you people read @ittesi.com	Re: Norwalk Ct. is getting a test FTTH system. SBC is running fiber to the nieghborhood and still copper to the house.
	permalink · 2004-07-19 18:12:43 ·

JohnC Mr. John Premium join:2000-09-22 Hamden, CT	Re: Norwalk Ct. is getting a test FTTH system. No.
	permalink · 2004-07-21 18:16:43 ·

BaselineAce join:2004-07-14 Blauvelt, NY	NY Metro I'm in Rockland County, NY, where they just finished installing fiber all over town.
	permalink · 2004-07-19 16:39:00 ·

varuna join:2001-03-07 Brooklyn, NY	Re: NY Metro What are the prices for access?
	permalink · 2004-07-19 17:33:06 ·

Tzale Proud Libertarian Conservative Premium join:2004-01-06 Sweden ·Verizon FIOS ·Optimum Online	Re: NY Metro said by varuna : What are the prices for access? Service is not online, except for Keller, Texas. However, service will be up before years end in some towns in NY, NJ, VA, MD, FL and Texas. -Tzale
	permalink · 2004-07-19 17:41:52 ·

aitech
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boston gets the shaft..

bend over.. :-/

you'd think a majorish metro area that spend BILLIONS of dollar$ on fiber camera networks and fiber communications networks to "protect" the citizens in face of the DNC could spring for some fiber to the buildings? Most dwellings in boston are multi-level apt buildings/condos, would take one fiber run to light up 10-20 ppl/building = very cost effective.... but no...

permalink · 2004-07-19 21:27:52 ·

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said by aitech :
bend over.. :-/

you'd think a majorish metro area that spend BILLIONS of dollar$ on fiber camera networks and fiber communications networks to "protect" the citizens in face of the DNC could spring for some fiber to the buildings? Most dwellings in boston are multi-level apt buildings/condos, would take one fiber run to light up 10-20 ppl/building = very cost effective.... but no...

You'd think the SILICON VALLEY would get this technology, but NO!

permalink · 2004-07-19 21:48:06 · Print ·

Dakine A Happy Camper Premium join:2000-03-26 Honolulu, HI	Invest in Verizon I would invest in Verizon before I complained. But on second thought-they cannot get my phone to work-so forget it. -- Surfs Up!!!! GBA
	permalink · 2004-07-20 02:09:38 ·

USAPatriot9 U.S.A. First...And Forever Premium join:2004-03-01 Colorado Springs, CO clubs:	Rubbish I was told in the Summer of 1997 that I'd have DSL to my home by November of that year. It STILL hasn't happened. On occasion they make it available, but not for long. Obviously it's not working well. Face it, if you live in a "mature" neighborhood, you're just stuck. -Rod-
	permalink · 2004-07-20 02:54:54 ·

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