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Verizon: 38 LTE Markets In 2010
1/3 of population reached, 60 airports hit by year's end
by Karl Bode Wednesday 06-Oct-2010 tags: competition · business · wireless · bandwidth · Verizon Wireless Broadband
Verizon today announced at CTIA that their new LTE service will be live in 38 markets at launch. Verizon didn't specifically state when this launch would be, though rumors peg the launch in late November or early December. The company says they're looking to reach about 110 million people with those deployments, on top of plans to offer LTE in more than 60 airports across the United States. Those launch markets include:

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•Large sections of the Northeast Corridor, including Boston, New York, Philadelphia,

•Throughout Miami and south Florida, Atlanta, Dallas-Fort Worth, Houston, and New Orleans as well as Charlotte, North Carolina and Nashville, Tennessee

•Chicagoland, St. Louis, the Twin Cities, Pittsburgh and major cities in Ohio

•Major population centers in California as well as Seattle, Phoenix, Denver and Las Vegas

"We are driven by the vision to provide ubiquitous wireless broadband connectivity and mobility to rural and urban Americans alike," said COO Lowell McAdam. "With our initial 4G LTE launch, we will immediately reach more than one-third of all Americans where they live, right from the start -- and we will quickly introduce 4G LTE throughout the Verizon coverage area."

Verizon has previously stated they'd mirror their current EVDO deployments by 2014. The company again confirmed that launch speeds would be 5-12 Mbps downstream, and 2 to 5 Mbps upstream in "real-world, loaded network environments." Verizon (though T-Mobile might disagree) says these speeds "are significantly faster than Verizon Wireless and other wireless providers’ current or promised 3G network speeds."

You can find their complete market launch list here. There was still no word on pricing, with Verizon's Lowell McAdam telling attendees of a press conference today that the company is still weighing their options. McAdam says Verizon hasn't necessarily ruled out the idea of sticking with unlimited plans in some incarnation, though he made it clear Verizon's a big fan of the "bucket o' bytes" approach to pricing.

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Saint Louis =)

Looks like i'll be able to test out WiMax next to LTE, next to HSPA+. Yay.

As far as speeds go, I think Clear might beg to differ also. Their speed tests have been getting better too for the most part.

Nationwide coverage by 2014, huh? I wonder if they're planning on LTE-Advanced deployment during that time, considering LTE-A should be deployment ready by 2012.
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yay

wooohooo Columbus Ohio!! At&t will be a goner here once this deploys. Any comment about the range of these towers? Like signal coverage areas? I imagine it's far greater than current offerings but by how much?

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wooohooo Columbus Ohio!! At&t will be a goner here once this deploys. Any comment about the range of these towers? Like signal coverage areas? I imagine it's far greater than current offerings but by how much?
Range will be good. Great even. Good in-building penetration. But speeds will probably suffer once people actually begin to use the network.
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not so fast they will deploy HSPA+
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AT&T lol

AT&T should learn how to build a network like Big Red does!
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Re: AT&T lol

It's easy; charge $2 whenever the customer presses the magic buttons on the phone or disable functions that the customer paid for so they are forced to pay to move their own photos.

While Verizon's network far outperforms their competitors, so does their scum-quotient.
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out preforms other carriers?? proof? JD Power doesn't count either. nor does Consumer Reports. or any "indie" studies that are done.

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said by hottboiinnc:

out preforms other carriers?? proof? JD Power doesn't count either. nor does Consumer Reports. or any "indie" studies that are done.
It's true in Boston, anecdotally anyway. I have Sprint and am pretty happy with the service, but I have dead spots where my friends with Verizon don't seem to have any in the city. Obviously this isn't in any way scientific, but from what I've seen Verizon has better service in this area.
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set your phone to roam or take it off the "network" i did this with my blackberry and now it roams. I've been told my several Sprint customers that is the trick in newer phones especially after software updates to get the Sprint phones to roam.

and as you said- that is in the Greater Boston area- does not count for the rest of the country.
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Re: AT&T lol

This never worked for me for any phones on GSM I owned neither on ATT nor T-Mobile

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said by hottboiinnc:

set your phone to roam or take it off the "network" i did this with my blackberry and now it roams. I've been told my several Sprint customers that is the trick in newer phones especially after software updates to get the Sprint phones to roam.

and as you said- that is in the Greater Boston area- does not count for the rest of the country.
There is no roam only anymore.
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my phone has roam only. you unlock it from on the "sprint" network setting and it will only roam. It won't even think about picking up Sprint.

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my phone has roam only. you unlock it from on the "sprint" network setting and it will only roam. It won't even think about picking up Sprint.
Well you have an "older" phone because none of the new Sprint phone's have that including the Evo and Epic 4G.
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My EVO has the following choices:
Sprint Only or automatic. I put it on Automatic.

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i'm also curious about the "out perform" part. Their data is one of the slowest, and it's been getting worse since the Droid came out.

They may have the largest network, but that's bout it til they get LTE deployed in a meaningful manner.
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the largest network still depends on a HUGE share of roaming which is where Sprint picks up and other CDMA carriers. That is why VZ will NEVER give a street level view of their coverage like TMO and Sprint.
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Re: AT&T lol

A HUGE share?

Not even.

Sprint roaming has almost been completely removed from Verizon PRLs for a couple of years now, I believe a few markets it still exists.. but not many.

Other areas where Verizon doesn't have licenses, they do roam yes.. but everywhere they cover, they cover very well.

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said by hottboiinnc:

the largest network still depends on a HUGE share of roaming which is where Sprint picks up and other CDMA carriers. That is why VZ will NEVER give a street level view of their coverage like TMO and Sprint.
Where is the HUGE share of roaming? Stop mistaking VZW for Sprint.
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i'm not but a good share of that map of VZ is roaming just like all carriers. They use a map like VZ that you can't zoom in on to actually see the coverage at a "street level" and i'm not the only one that says this. You should stop cutting down sprint for shit that VZ does.

Also i can list several cities in the Midwest that will roam on Sprint where VZ's own towers don't cover.
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said by hottboiinnc:

i'm not but a good share of that map of VZ is roaming just like all carriers. They use a map like VZ that you can't zoom in on to actually see the coverage at a "street level" and i'm not the only one that says this. You should stop cutting down sprint for shit that VZ does.

Also i can list several cities in the Midwest that will roam on Sprint where VZ's own towers don't cover.
You can actually click on prepaid and it show's roaming and no the majority isn't roaming.
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Lets wait and see how the network holds up once they add millions of Iphones next year..
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won't get the iPhone. no way when this annoucement comes out with all the cities. they won't release a CDMA only iPhone to all the NFL cities and not be able to use it on LTE.

Sprint will get the iPhone if any US CDMA carrier gets it. That has already been said before and always is said. Plus VZ won't give up their $$$$ they make off their ring tones and apps now like T did.
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They'll get it, but that really was not the point.
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i know what the point was. but again; VZ won't give up up their rights and again- they won't put the a CDMA only phone an a 4G network. That will NEVER happen. That is the reason why Sprint keeps releasing new phones- to show off the WiMax network and TMO did it as well with their latest upgrade. Going back to CDMA only would be like getting shot in the foot.
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said by hottboiinnc:

won't get the iPhone. no way when this annoucement comes out with all the cities. they won't release a CDMA only iPhone to all the NFL cities and not be able to use it on LTE.

Sprint will get the iPhone if any US CDMA carrier gets it. That has already been said before and always is said. Plus VZ won't give up their $$$$ they make off their ring tones and apps now like T did.
No, Sprint's coverage is poor compared to Verizon and doesn't attract the same demography of customers.
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said by iLive4Fusion:

said by hottboiinnc:

won't get the iPhone. no way when this annoucement comes out with all the cities. they won't release a CDMA only iPhone to all the NFL cities and not be able to use it on LTE.

Sprint will get the iPhone if any US CDMA carrier gets it. That has already been said before and always is said. Plus VZ won't give up their $$$$ they make off their ring tones and apps now like T did.
No, Sprint's coverage is poor compared to Verizon and doesn't attract the same demography of customers.
What demographic would that be?
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said by tiger72:

said by iLive4Fusion:

said by hottboiinnc:

won't get the iPhone. no way when this annoucement comes out with all the cities. they won't release a CDMA only iPhone to all the NFL cities and not be able to use it on LTE.

Sprint will get the iPhone if any US CDMA carrier gets it. That has already been said before and always is said. Plus VZ won't give up their $$$$ they make off their ring tones and apps now like T did.
No, Sprint's coverage is poor compared to Verizon and doesn't attract the same demography of customers.
What demographic would that be?
Prepaid/No Credit is the general stereotype that prove's to be true in some cases.
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said by iLive4Fusion:

Prepaid/No Credit is the general stereotype that prove's to be true in some cases.
So Sprint has 50 million customers with bad credit? Huh.

I coulda swore that their credit requirements are about the same as T-Mobile, ATT, and Verizon. But hey, you're probably right. Verizon must be real hard to get a contract on. They're awfully exclusive.
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said by tiger72:

said by iLive4Fusion:

Prepaid/No Credit is the general stereotype that prove's to be true in some cases.
So Sprint has 50 million customers with bad credit? Huh.

I coulda swore that their credit requirements are about the same as T-Mobile, ATT, and Verizon. But hey, you're probably right. Verizon must be real hard to get a contract on. They're awfully exclusive.
My good friend was trying to get AT&T and VZW, AT&T wanted to charge $500, VZW $400, Sprint $50.

AT&T and VZW are very strict about credit, Sprint really is getting that way though. And I have nothing against Sprint either cause I use them
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Sprint is the easiest carrier to get credit from. They don't actually run a credit check like VZ and T or even TMO do. They used a service that does "utlity" checks and that's it. The company is based in Washington. If you don't have anything on your credit from the utlity companies they'll get service.

You may end up with a $150 per month spending account limit but you'll end up with service. Plus every device/line you add that $15o ges up by $150 per device. Including the AiRave.
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Thats a nice launch plan but.....

Would like to see a detailed coverage area of the verizon LTE network. Also knowing the plan rates would be nice. I dont feel like buying buckets of data.
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Re: Thats a nice launch plan but.....

I wouldn't mind buying buckets of data for mobile use. If Verizon matches or beats Virgin Mobile's 10¢ per MB, $1 per day option on LTE then that's pretty exciting.

It will be fun to compare WiMAX to HSPA+ to LTE here in Denver; WiMAX should be live shortly, and T-Mobile HSPA+ got turned on yesterday.

Wonder whether AT&T is going to continue with their plan of doing 14.4 Mbps HSPA+ now that T-Mobile is running circles around them with HSPA+ 21.6.

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Re: Thats a nice launch plan but.....

Yeah I would get their home modem if they have one available. That one leaked picture looks promising.

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V=Most expensive Yay?

I was thinking about going with Verizon..but they are the most expensive provider out there and their ETFs are even the most expensive.

And a buddy of mine had a Straight Talk phone powered by Verizon and honestly it wasn't even that great for coverage, T Mobile had better coverage than he did.

(And yes I know it was their prepaid coverage) I imagine their postpaid coverage isn't much better.

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Presentation update

So VZW is doing their webcast right now and there's no pricing to be found, though they are waffling on taking away unlimited. Also, mobile broadband sticks are coming first, with smartphones, machine-to-machine, tablets etc. following.

Verizon still wants the iPhone, but they say the ball is in Apple's court.

They're saying 200 million pops in 18 months, 285 million by the end of 2013. Their launch network will be live before the end of the year, and they will share pricing and date details closer to launch.
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Tampa Bay Area :(

We're even an NFL market, and STILL aren't on the preliminary list.
I hope it shows up by next summer. /wistful thinking

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Too bad it's...

1. slower than HSPA
2. most likely will either suck or won't even come close to "30 markets" covered properly.

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Screw Verizon

Where I live we don't even have EVDO. They are keeping us in 1x hell.

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Link if you signed up for the newsletters

»phones.verizonwireless.com/4g/?e···rkt_annc

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Re: Link if you signed up for the newsletters

Also, does anyone know how far you can be from the tower to get a signal?
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"We are driven by the vision to provide ubiquitous wireless broadband connectivity and mobility to RURAL and urban Americans alike," said COO Lowell McAdam.

I like how he said RURAL that list isn't rural what is the range of LTE enabled towers? Will they offer a fixed home solution for RURAL customers? Looking for a fixed home solution not a mobile solution we have 2 Verizon tower within 4 and 6 miles of the house will they receive LTE eventually?
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Verizon is using the 700MHz spectrum to provide LTE. These are the old UHF TV channels 53 to 68. The signal should travel slightly farther than the present day 850MHz signals used by Verizon.
Verizon has expressed some interest in providing a fixed location device that would be basically a modem with a large antenna built in. Something similar in size to a paperback book. It would essentially be a very large MiFi device. The large size would be for the 700 MHz antennas. Many of us who use Verizon Mobile Broadband hope the first LTE devices continue along the lines of the USB760. Those devices have an antenna port. Using a combination of a large parabolic grid antenna, an antenna cable adapter, and a special amplifier we presently use the mobile broadband device (USB760) to provide broadband where there there is no cable internet or DSL.

If those towers deliver the EVDO REV A Verizon Mobile Broadband today, then they will be upgraded to LTE. Verizon has said that they are going to duplicate, with LTE, the coverage that Verizon EVDO REV A 3G has today.

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Which means those of us with only 1x coverage will be left even further behind.
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where is this "fixed" antenna at? the one that was on here listed as a DSL Modem?

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Another non-announcement

Again they just say late 2010 with no specifics. Introduce some actual content with these news releases. Saying X City will have LTE coverage without a coverage map is worthless, and not giving any data on what devices will be available is equally worthless.

Might as well say hey we have this shiny new car, I can not tell you when were going to sell it, and where it will be sold, were just telling you that eventually this car will be available.

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Re: Another non-announcement

In other words "we're just generating hype".

If this is meant to be the next big thing in mobiles (and it is), I would too if I were a mobile carrier deploying LTE.
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Just wondering!

Are the announced cities places where VZ has FiOS deployments?

I checked my address and and it came back up as available. It also happens that I have FiOS in my area as well.

I get WiMax where I'm at.
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Bugged?

Mine says i'm able to get 4g as well.. I'm one county west of Nashville , TN. I"m gonna say its bugged atm

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Standards

For you standards folks...

»www.3gpp2.org/public_html/Specs/···0406.pdf

eHRPD per the 3gpp standard.

Note the call flow between the UE to the HSGW, AAA, and HSS...

This standard also outlines "attaching" and "handover attach" scenarios (4G to 3G hand down).

I posted this before, the 3gpp standards are out there. If you want a rough and tumble idea how this will work read through them.
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Re: AT&T lol

It is funny, with all the talk of VZ's coverage vs Sprint, for me this isn't true - at least when you have a decent phone.

With all the new do-dads and gismos, many over-done units seemed to forget the primary mission is still phone reception. For our 5 lines, LG's products were the worst, followed by Samsung and Sanyo units that locked up continually. Also, I could never figure out why VZ connections seemed to have noticeable background cross-talk (bleed from other calls) half the time.

I now stick with Motorola units when Sprint offers them and usually out perform friends VZ reception using their high feature junk
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yay

wooohooo! New Orleans. I have been using Verizon ever since ATT
said were sorry about the roaming charges in the city. But you can
pay $50.00 more for roaming. Sorry you will also have to buy a new phone from your new phone you purchased from us last month to support the roaming feature. But we will give you more rollover
minutes you do not use.

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Pricing

Ok so 2010 has 45 days left and still no word on pricing? Are they launching on Dec 31st and waiting until then to announce pricing? You'd think with peolpe already busting their budgets for Christmas gifts they announce pricing before black friday so potential customers can budget for it.

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