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New York, NY | How dare they! quote:
Even Verizon admits that 100Mbps and faster speeds are little more than marketing fodder right now. Most people don't need that type of bandwidth unless they're funneling scientific data to and from their own personal observatory.
Thats blasphemy if the people who frequent this site have anything to say about it. As we all know (from the constant whining of people here) every person in America is demanding a 1Gbps connection right now.
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Smithfield, NC | Re: How dare they! said by wifi4milez: quote:
Most people don't need that type of bandwidth unless they're funneling scientific data to and from their own personal observatory.
Thats blasphemy if the people who frequent this site have anything to say about it. While I would agree that few would need to tie up that kind of bandwidth continuously, it WOULD be nice to be able to transfer an HD movie in minutes instead of hours.
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New York, NY | Re: How dare they! said by MrMoody:said by wifi4milez: quote:
Most people don't need that type of bandwidth unless they're funneling scientific data to and from their own personal observatory.
Thats blasphemy if the people who frequent this site have anything to say about it. While I would agree that few would need to tie up that kind of bandwidth continuously, it WOULD be nice to be able to transfer an HD movie in minutes instead of hours. Well that would only be possible if the other side also had a 1Gbps connection. Remember, downloading/uploading files is only as fast as the slowest link.
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New York, NY | Re: How dare they! said by S_engineer:You have to start somewhere. And whats you infatuation with the KGB, are you a happy commie? Clearly my many years of posting communist and socialist viewpoints on this website makes that an easy assumption to make. 
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New York, NY | Re: How dare they! said by S_engineer:havent read many of your posts...I was looking at the signiture... doesn't that mean KGB ? Yes it certainly does, however dont be fooled by my facetious response to your earlier question. 
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Suffern, NY | said by wifi4milez:Well that would only be possible if the other side also had a 1Gbps connection. Remember, downloading/uploading files is only as fast as the slowest link. Or the transfer is via BT so that the peers doing the sending have their uplink bandwidth added together. | |
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New York, NY | Re: How dare they! said by RARPSL:said by wifi4milez:Well that would only be possible if the other side also had a 1Gbps connection. Remember, downloading/uploading files is only as fast as the slowest link. Or the transfer is via BT so that the peers doing the sending have their uplink bandwidth added together. We are talking legal uses here.
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New York, NY | Re: How dare they! said by funchords:BT transfers are illegal in NY? Sheeesh! Yes, as they are everywhere else in this country. For further proof feel free to ask any of the hundreds (thousands?) of people who have been sued and taken to court over the offense. Now of course I am only talking about file transfers of copyrighted content, but you already knew that.
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kudos:5 | Re: How dare they! said by wifi4milez:Yes, as they are everywhere else in this country. For further proof feel free to ask any of the hundreds (thousands?) of people who have been sued and taken to court over the offense. Now of course I am only talking about file transfers of copyrighted content, but you already knew that. Well, they conducted file transfers. So file transfers are illegal? They used the TCP protocol, so that's automatically associated with illegal behavior? In fact, everyone using BT uses the Internet! So....
BT, is, in fact, legal. It's not only legal, it's great. It solves many problems.
Another example. Video on the web grew from the porn industry, an industry that has always skirted on the edge of the law and/or morality. But we technical people ignored that aspect of it and after years of refinement, now video on the net is mainstream and efficient (I don't think we network types transport it very efficiently, but that's another topic).
Don't disregard a technology just because you don't like how it's sometimes used.
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New York, NY | Re: How dare they! said by funchords:said by wifi4milez:Yes, as they are everywhere else in this country. For further proof feel free to ask any of the hundreds (thousands?) of people who have been sued and taken to court over the offense. Now of course I am only talking about file transfers of copyrighted content, but you already knew that. Well, they conducted file transfers. So file transfers are illegal? They used the TCP protocol, so that's automatically associated with illegal behavior? In fact, everyone using BT uses the Internet! So.... BT, is, in fact, legal. It's not only legal, it's great. It solves many problems. Another example. Video on the web grew from the porn industry, an industry that has always skirted on the edge of the law and/or morality. But we technical people ignored that aspect of it and after years of refinement, now video on the net is mainstream and efficient (I don't think we network types transport it very efficiently, but that's another topic). Don't disregard a technology just because you don't like how it's sometimes used. Now I never said BT was illegal, dont attempt to twist my words around. You and I both know its not the technology that is in question; its what people use it for that makes it illegal. I absolutely agree that P2P has legitimate uses, however as we all know (and has been mentioned here many times) the vast majority of P2P traffic is pirating of copyrighted content.
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Smithfield, NC | Re: How dare they! said by wifi4milez:Now I never said BT was illegal, dont attempt to twist my words around. No twisting needed.
said by wifi4milez:said by funchords:BT transfers are illegal in NY? Sheeesh! Yes, as they are everywhere else in this country.
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New York, NY | said by MrMoody:said by wifi4milez:Now I never said BT was illegal, dont attempt to twist my words around. No twisting needed. said by wifi4milez:said by funchords:BT transfers are illegal in NY? Sheeesh! Yes, as they are everywhere else in this country. A good attempt at humor, however you neglected to include the following sentence that clarified my statement. I will provide it for you now in case you dont want to go back and read it again.
said by wifi4milez:Now of course I am only talking about file transfers of copyrighted content, but you already knew that. Feel free to try again however!
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Smithfield, NC | said by wifi4milez:Yes, as they are everywhere else in this country. For further proof feel free to ask any of the hundreds (thousands?) of people who have been sued and taken to court over the offense. Maybe hundreds have been sued but only a couple were taken to court. None were for using bittorrent.
Now of course I am only talking about file transfers of copyrighted content, but you already knew that. World of Warcraft updates are copyrighted content transferred by bittorrent, but legal. Try again to correctly describe the illegal behavior. Hint: Bittorrent is not part of the description.
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Suffern, NY | said by wifi4milez:said by RARPSL:said by wifi4milez:Well that would only be possible if the other side also had a 1Gbps connection. Remember, downloading/uploading files is only as fast as the slowest link. Or the transfer is via BT so that the peers doing the sending have their uplink bandwidth added together. We are talking legal uses here. BT Usage != Illegal Usage.
All I stated was that use of BT can group the uplink bandwidth into a larger download pipe. I say NOTHING about the content of the BT session being used.
How does the question of if the use of BT is legal, illegal, or both (depending on what is being transferred) have to do with the ability to download faster then the speed of a peer at the other end (which is what I was responding to - ie: A claim that you can download no faster than the source is sending by pointing out that with BT you have more than one source feeding your download link)? | |
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kudos:5 | said by wifi4milez:Remember, downloading/uploading files is only as fast as the slowest link. Not quite as true when local caches or multiple sources are involved. Take yesterday's 700 MB Ubuntu 8.10 release -- you could get it at 1 MB/s via P2P but no faster than about 150 KB/s from most mirrors.
The Chinese are doing something called P2SP which essentially is a multi-sourced server-based transfer (the file you want is hosted on several servers, all of which are feeding you a portion). It's amazingly fast and the concept can be taken to a next level that makes it avoid congested routes and add uncongested routes.
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kudos:5 | The hope is that someday you won't be tieing up bandwidth at all.
When your computer processor is running at 99%, nothing works very well. Networks behave similarly. You want that needle at 99% as little as possible. | |
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Palm Desert, CA | said by wifi4milez: quote:
Even Verizon admits that 100Mbps and faster speeds are little more than marketing fodder right now. Most people don't need that type of bandwidth unless they're funneling scientific data to and from their own personal observatory.
AT&T and the rest of them, are all running around trying to figure out what hit them. Verizon is going to leave them in the dust. Even now the BellHeads at AT&T are still thinking Copper was the wise decision! | |
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00000 | said by wifi4milez:Thats blasphemy if the people who frequent this site have anything to say about it. you would be more believable if current broadband offerings in the states were 10M up and down. instead, we have pathetic offerings such as 768k down and 128k up. | |
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| | Verizon, you're so awesome. Maybe by the time Verizon offers 100/100 in the future AT&T will give u-verse users the whole 25/2 pipe for internet. :3 | |
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kudos:4 | said by kilometers3:Maybe by the time Verizon offers 100/100 in the future AT&T will give u-verse users the whole 25/2 pipe for internet. :3 and cox will offer 5mbps upload to their subs in havenot areas.
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| | lol The problem is servers to handle the speed. I have a 30/5 connection from cablevision and i can barely even find servers that give me half that speed. (microsoft i think is the only one).
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Fullerton, CA | Re: lol said by majortom1029:The problem is servers to handle the speed. I have a 30/5 connection from cablevision and i can barely even find servers that give me half that speed. (microsoft i think is the only one). This is good for verizons future but means nothing to us today. You raise a very good point. I wonder how it's done in Asia with their brags of such high speed (100MB/s, etc.).
I envision very low ping times and latency for this to start to be effective, along with servers that can handle that kind of bandwidth. A "rewire" of the country might need to happen for that to occur.
I'd be happy with 20/5 for my needs.
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New York, NY | Re: lol said by Radio Active:You raise a very good point. I wonder how it's done in Asia with their brags of such high speed (100MB/s, etc.). Its really not much more than a bragging right, even in Asian countries. Some of the Asian ISP's even have disclaimers that the full capacity only applies to 'in country' connections.
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| sniping customers in competitive markets still, in 2008, you can buy cablemodem 15/2 with cablevision as part of a triple play for $29.95 or dual play (with phone) for business at the same rate. at this price, Verizon can't touch that price... nor do they want to... the best they'd do is about $12 higher. (this is NY metro area). they can shove the 100/X you know where until they can get their prices for their services much lower than they are today. there is no "killer" application for 50mbit speeds much less 100mbit. until that becomes possible in the customer's psyche, it's just a marketing ploy for customers. look what we're going to provide in the future, if you subscribe to our overpriced services... and since it sort of works in their wireless marketing, they think they can duplicate that success in FIOS?
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| | | Ummm promotional price? $29.95 ? With that wonderful price you also usually have inconsistant speeds during peak times on oversubscribed cable nodes. Cable sux.
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Middletown, NJ | said by tmc8080:still, in 2008, you can buy cablemodem 15/2 with cablevision as part of a triple play for $29.95 or dual play (with phone) for business at the same rate. at this price, Verizon can't touch that price... nor do they want to... the best they'd do is about $12 higher. (this is NY metro area). they can shove the 100/X you know where until they can get their prices for their services much lower than they are today. there is no "killer" application for 50mbit speeds much less 100mbit. until that becomes possible in the customer's psyche, it's just a marketing ploy for customers. look what we're going to provide in the future, if you subscribe to our overpriced services... and since it sort of works in their wireless marketing, they think they can duplicate that success in FIOS? think again... Yea only if you got what you paid for with cable. And your not sitting on a overload node, With my FIOS I get what I pay for | |
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kudos:2 | Re: well Verizon already has 50/20Mbps package available all-be-it pricey at $147.99/month. | |
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Ashburn, VA | Re: well said by Phil:Verizon already has 50/20Mbps package available all-be-it pricey at $147.99/month. I know what you mean, but there is no way that I will consider 50/20 for less than $150 to be pricey.
Maybe in a few years my views will change, but that type of performance is a steal to anyone that can make full use of it. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: well said by jmn1207:said by Phil:Verizon already has 50/20Mbps package available all-be-it pricey at $147.99/month. I know what you mean, but there is no way that I will consider 50/20 for less than $150 to be pricey. Maybe in a few years my views will change, but that type of performance is a steal to anyone that can make full use of it. I agree with you although I don't think the average consumer would. | |
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Ashburn, VA | Re: well said by aaronwt:said by Phil:Verizon already has 50/20Mbps package available all-be-it pricey at $147.99/month. We pay $90($89.95) a month around here for 50/20. Shhhh, don't tell everybody! | |
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| Wait, what? Verizon is in the process of migrating their FiOS network from BPON to GPON (Gigabit Passive Optical Network) fiber technology. Are you sure that's the correct phrasing?
They've been deploying GPON in new builds since 2007, but how can it make sense for them to already start retrofitting when they haven't even hit the limits of BPON yet, especially when it requires costly revisits to swap customer ONTs? | |
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GPON is only being rolled out in NEW builds. Their existing FiOS BPON network will remain on BPON until it hits its limits.
There's no way Verizon is going to all of a sudden replace their whole BPON network to GPON the moment it becomes available. BPON builds will only be replaced with GPON if speed tiers above 100mbps become available - if that. | |
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Besides the obvious implications for faster internet. What could GPON bring to the table for TV and other services?
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Laurel, MD | Re: TV There isn't that much room for improvement in conventional telephone and TV. The Internet is the future. The 'net will be used to deliver future video and telephone services -- ultimately, I expect POTS and cable-style TV to fall away. The general-purpose nature of the Internet means that no matter how much bandwidth you have, new applications will appear to take advantage of it.
Verizon is already delivering 100+ channels of HD, and there's little more bandwidth available for TV without changing out the equipment, and going to non-standard frequencies.
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