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Verizon: 802.11N FiOS Router Coming This Summer
Sometime in July or August, Verizon tells Broadband Reports
by Karl Bode 06:13PM Thursday Apr 15 2010
A number of FiOS users have been wondering for a while when Verizon would get around to offering an in-home Wi-Fi router that supports the 802.11N standard. Neither the Actiontec or Westell in-home hotspots Verizon uses with FiOS support the latest Wi-Fi standard. And while not a huge deal (given that users can hook up an additional 802.11N unit to their FiOS router), a Verizon 802.11N router would simplify things and save an outlet.

Those looking to upgrade won't have too long to wait. "We have a broadband home router in system integration testing now," Verizon's Bill Kula confirms to Broadband Reports. "We expect it to come out in the July/August timeframe (and) it has the 802.11n radio, and Gigabit Ethernet interface," he says.

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waiting4fios

join:2005-04-08
Howell, NJ

Finally

Its about time. Now I can finally use my laptop wirelessly and take full advantage of my 35/35 package without having to plug in ethernet. Never wanted to buy a separate 802.11n router because I like the simplicity of just one device.
Aluminum
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Mclean, VA

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Too little, too late

I see nothing about dual band support which leads me to believe it won't have it to save a dollar or two. That, and "radio" is used as a singular term.

N on the 2.4/G band would be nearly useless for many typical FIOS customers, if not a hindrance to existing networks.

Given how they cherry picked much of the deployment to only "dense"/affluent areas, you will often see a dozen or more APs already sharing the 1/6/11 channels already.

You will also see poor sobs who think that moving to channel 2 or 10 actually does anything

The actiontech was always sub-par on wifi, anyone that noticed and cared already bought a standalone ap. (given how they treat everything else, it won't be a free or cheap swap)
iansltx

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Re: Too little, too late

Meh, switching channels actually does help a bit. not as much as using a totally clean channel, but it *does* help.

As far as dual-band goes, you won't find that in a router for less than $100, so I don't see why Verizon would include it in theirs.
OldMainLine

join:2007-04-18
Woodstock, MD
I am one of those poor sobs. I thought using something other than the ubiquitous 1/6/11 did help. I mean, I wasn't expecting a miracle or anything, but all other things being equal, I thought it would help a bit...are you saying there is absolutely no advantage to picking a non-1/6/11 channel, even when a dozen of your neighbors are on 1/6/11? (I'm using G, don't have any Ns yet.)

Also, I always thought that there is nothing "magical" about 1/6/11. That is, these are simply defaults...the people who do the firmware are too lazy to throw in some kind of randomizing algorithm for the default channel, so they just pick the first/middle/last channel?

I saw one router's interface (hell, it might be my fios actiontec) that implied that "switching off of 6 is a Bad Thing", and hid the channel setting on an "advanced" page. Ohh, ahh, I'm not using ch. 6, oh my god, it's the end of the world, ahhhhhhh!

Agent Smith

join:2008-07-07
New York

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Hmm

This is what everyone's been waiting for? I Guess the wireless issues may come to a end since it uses giga WAN Interface or LAN then it may be a hint that 100mb speed package may be coming in the future..

fifty nine

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Re: Hmm

said by Agent Smith:

This is what everyone's been waiting for? I Guess the wireless issues may come to a end since it uses giga WAN Interface or LAN then it may be a hint that 100mb speed package may be coming in the future..
Probably but 802.11g won't cut it for anything above 20Mbps or so.

So they really need N for what they're offering right now.

Agent Smith

join:2008-07-07
New York

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Washington, IL
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I bought and bridged an Apple AirPort Extreme Dual Band for this very reason....

Reminds me when Verizon's old gateway only supported WEP encryption...

(OOPS, Just noticed it's for FiOS only! Never mind, some of us are really at the back of the bus, since we're NON-FiOS Verizon customers!!)

Zero

join:2009-07-01
Collegeville, PA
Does it have 802.11n and gigabit ethernet PLUS all of the features that they said the last generation would but then they skipped out on?

»newscenter.verizon.com/press-rel···ays.html

Multiple wireless networks and USB sharing stick out the most to me from that press release.
dlewis23

join:2005-04-18
Boca Raton, FL
It would be nice if AT&T would do this with U-Verse as well. I'm sick of only having 802.11 G on the RG they supply.
hottboiinnc
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Re: U-Verse

ATT any all the other ISPs need to be talking to 2Wire since they all share pretty much the same hardware just different firmwares.
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enOehT
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join:2003-05-17
Langhorne, PA
They need to update the ONTs to support Gigabit ethernet.

Right now the ONTs are 100 mbit not 1000 mbit.
jca2050
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Dallas, TX

Re: Gigabit Ethernet

I'm sure they'll get onto that once they plan on releasing a speed package that high.

enOehT
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Langhorne, PA

Re: Gigabit Ethernet

My point is, they are advertising the router as having Gigabit ethernet.....

So this could be misleading to many, thinking they are connected via gigabit, when in actuality, they are not because the ONT doesn't support it, not withstanding the fact you mention.

jmn1207
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Re: Gigabit Ethernet

said by enOehT:

My point is, they are advertising the router as having Gigabit ethernet.....

So this could be misleading to many, thinking they are connected via gigabit, when in actuality, they are not because the ONT doesn't support it, not withstanding the fact you mention.
The FiOS ONT that I have can be provisioned for Gigabit operation. I assume everyone around me has a similar GPON ONT. This November will make it 2 years with this service for me. There is an LED, currently extinguished, that would be used to indicate whether or not 1000 Mbps mode has been enabled. There would be no reason to have this on the ONT unless it was capable of Gigabit performance. I have an Alcatel.

enOehT
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Langhorne, PA

Re: Gigabit Ethernet

What percent of FiOS customers have the GPON ONT?

I'm in an original FiOS area and don't have this.

Good to know that some do though. Hopefully they will upgrade the old ones.

Edrick
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Re: Gigabit Ethernet

Umm pretty sure they're marketing gigabit LAN not WAN. Which a lot of people would also like to have for their home connected PCs. Anyone daft enough to assume that a gigabit LAN or WAN for that matter instantly means they have a gigabit Internet connection shouldn't be allowed on the internet.
caps620

join:2009-01-18
Central NJ
said by enOehT:

What percent of FiOS customers have the GPON ONT?

I'm in an original FiOS area and don't have this.

Good to know that some do though. Hopefully they will upgrade the old ones.
Just had FiOS installed on May 1st and I got a motorola 1000GT2, gigabit capable GPON ONT. I have TV, phone and 25/25 internet.

Tomek
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join:2002-01-30
Valley Stream, NY
I was looking at specs of current router,
it can support gigabit, WPS and wifi(n)

So the device is there for months, wtf verizon?
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nycdave
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Re: Current Router

The spec sheet is from the vendor - but the current models in the field don't have those features....

Tomek
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Re: Current Router

I didnt take it apart, but at least in theory, WPS should work
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tmc8080

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verizon turned around and made their entry-level triple play take a step back to 15/5 after flirting with 20 & 25 mbit downstream speeds. now they are going to release a n router.... I doubt that they're going to offer these to those who are in an existing contract without extending the contract so you might as well go out & buy your own N router if you need/want one.

releasing an N router without upping the entry-level speeds makes for mixed signals IMO. they need to do something bold such as symmetrical 25/25 as entry level and stop b/s around with having it in some places & not others. so what if the fiber backhaul to some places in their footprint cost slightly more per gb of data xmitted/received. without something bold, the cable companies won't get off their ass and make docsis 3.0 earn it's keep.

JeepMatt
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Re: the future, rethink possible

They'll do something since there won't be any new HD's for the rest of the year under their current infrastructure.

They'll need to deflect the competition's eye away from that fact...
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iansltx

join:2007-02-19
Austin, TX
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Verizon has 15/5. Comcast has 12/2.
Verizon has 25/25 across their footprint. Comcast has 22/5.
I'll take Verizon any day, even if it means buying my own 11n router.
tmc8080

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Re: the future, rethink possible

said by iansltx:

Verizon has 15/5. Comcast has 12/2.
Verizon has 25/25 across their footprint. Comcast has 22/5.
I'll take Verizon any day, even if it means buying my own 11n router.
You Comcast customers need to yell at your cable company for not offering MORE upstream! 5 megabits upstream is crap! The upstream should be made symmetrical for any tier under 25 megabits by now. The bittorrenting of video files is gonna happen no matter what, so Comcast might as well give the consumer what they want-- MORE SPEED upstream! The customers who've caught the bittorrent habit aren't coming back as PAID cable-tv subscribers... so might as well make some money by offeirng symmetrical internet tiers for a slight premium under docsis 3.

Entry level to speed demon: 15/15, 25/25, 50/50, 100/100 ($30, $40, $65, $99, respectively). Their current plans of 100/25 show that docsis 3.0 has NO BALLS in the upstream path yet.. which is to say-- much like DSL it has a technical problem with real world deployment. This is why FIOS is resting on their laurels (and BPONS) with 15/5.

IMO, What most likely happened is the engineers that developed docsis (3) overpromised how well the upstream path would perform in the REAL WORLD of coax last mile based upon the kind of coax that is out there. From what I remember, docsis 3 specs when it was on the drawing board called for upgrading the LAST MILE coax to ensure adequate return path (upstream) bandwidth for channel bonding. What is a point of controversy was that this was supposed to be a problem for speeds approaching 100mbits PER CUSTOMER on the node, not speeds as low as 30-50 megabits (which is about 2-3 bonded channels per customer per node). Technical, yes.. but what it means is Comcast customers are screwed & competition flounders. Fine by a cable company whos content to sit behind a video entertainment empire & charge LARGE fees for such.
iansltx

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Re: the future, rethink possible

They're a publicly held company. They aren't a charity. They're competitive...quite competitive actually in terms of speeds. Honestly, that's about all you can expect.

It's like walking into a gas station and asking to get a candy bar for 50¢ instead of $1 because you can get a 30 pack at Sam's for that price.
rmckofke

join:2001-05-15
Staten Island, NY
I'm hoping it will - last I heard the Westell was supposed to address it but those routers were never made available to my area (last I heard, I gave up on asking for them last year).
jgantert

join:2004-06-02
Columbia, MD
Dang, I still have the Verizon D-Link DI-624 Router with my FiOS, this would be a nice upgrade!

PaulTT

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I dumped my FiOS router years ago, it was a pice of junk!
chinohillsbo

join:2005-09-20
Chino Hills, CA
Does anyone have a link to the specs of the new Fios router? I've been thinking of buying a new "N" router and wonder if I should wait for the new Fios router. Thanks.

ARKx

join:2005-02-13
Philadelphia, PA
I hope it actually does support 1Gbps ethernet and NOT just 11n wired LAN speeds of 300-500Mbps. Depending on the rest of the specs of the device it may actually be able to replace our RVS4000 Gigabit Security Router.

In order to do that it would need an upgradable IPS Signature set, Layer 2 Switching with multiple VLAN support and STP or RSTP. I think we may be really close hear. I'm gonna need a manual for this thing to compare all features when it comes out, thankfully VZ posts them all on their support site. If it does all these things then FINALLY, I won't have to resort to a 3rd party router, it would be even better if it were a Cisco Small Biz device, like the RVS4000/WRVS4400N.

Alan.

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One the reason that you should use your own router, is because Verizon's routers have a back door.

One of many source(s) »www.compu-help.us/205.htm

I hope that new router, wireless n, does not have a back door. If any one knows, please post.

Thanks
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Tzale
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The hostility in this thread towards Verizon is downright laughable.

Verizon FIOS is an ISP. You're paying them monthly for an internet connection, not for the hardware. The router / WAP they give you is FREE and is meant to couple the internal MoCa network (for FIOS TV / the connection to the ONT) to your existing Ethernet network. It's your choice whether you use their router / WAP, or you use your own. If you want a feature they don't provide, don't bitch about it. Go and couple it to the Actiontec.. And if you can't stand the Actiontec, they can provide a NIM100 for you instead at time of install if you go the ONT-Ethernet route.

So stop complaining already!

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