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Verizon, AT&T, T-Mobile All Claim 'Largest 4G Network'
Apparently Everybody Wins.
by Karl Bode 12:38PM Tuesday Feb 21 2012
With the 4G term now abused to include everything from carrier pigeon to cans and string, it's not too surprising to see AT&T, Verizon and T-Mobile all now simultaneously claiming they offer the nation's "largest 4G network." Verizon has the largest LTE deployment by a wide margin, and AT&T and T-Mobile are both of course including their HSPA services as "4G." AT&T was only the latest to join the fun, adding the "largest" proclamation to their marketing over the weekend.

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According to AT&T the carrier's competitors claim to cover around 200 million people with their respective 4G technologies, and AT&T says the company is "significantly ahead of them based on internal and third-party data."

That's quite a difference from 2010, when AT&T got mad at T-Mobile for considering HSPA+ to be a 4G technology. "I think that companies need to be careful that they're not misleading customers by labeling HSPA+ as a 4G technology," AT&T said in 2010 in response to the ads. "We aren't labeling those technologies as 4G," said the company.

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IPPlanMan
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Is anyone really surprised?

Would you expect any less from a company that now offers "Unlimited Data" at speeds that intentionally render a device beyond useless for the primary purpose for which it was sold?

I present Exhibit A:

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=XW5aEQzTcW0


"Rethink Possible"?.... More like "Render Inoperable".
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Suntop
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Re: Is anyone really surprised?

Perfect reason why AT&T needs to be spanked for being that naughty. I get faster speeds on my 2g device. "188K/s"D and "133K/s"U here on Cellular One (MTPCS) No speed reduction for getting close to my 3gb cap. However it is tough to get close to 3gb unless I download 24 hours a day.

Verizon and T-Mobile as well as Sprint throw he 4g around too and also throttle. Why do they even throttle if they can make a killing off overages? That makes no sence.
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ptrowski
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That video never gets old. You should come join the discussion here as well.
»[iPhone] AT&T customers surprised by 'unlimited data' limit

IPPlanMan
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Re: Is anyone really surprised?

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Throttle!
It sure doesn't....

This top 5% throttling scheme is completely indefensible...

There's always a top 5%... which gets progressively lower, and lower, and lower.... and slower.
WernerSchutz

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Re: Is anyone really surprised?

They learned from Comcast and their "1% top percent users" or whatever they claim.
en103

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AT&T has the largest....

Amount of users throttled to less than 2G speeds on a 3G/4G network.

Suntop
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The Term 4G

Now Sure it is abused a lot. But so are the users. They give very little pooled GB. No true unlimited by any of them. At full speed you can go through your allotment within a few days and some cases in a day. They charge ungodly amounts for overages. Like text messages which costs them NOTHING since it rides along the voice packets. 3GB limits is stupid. In some cases it is 2gb. What do these Cell companies think that they can do this? Profits? yes! Step 1 Abuse term 4G, step 2 low caps step 3 $$$ Profits! I do not understand how the internet can be so expensive. I wonder if they are just abusing peoples pocketbooks. What does it cost them to send packets?

Gee I am glad I am with a small company.
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Rudie32
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more so

I consider T-Mobile's "4g" to be more valid than AT&T's considering T-Mobile's network is largely 42Mb while AT&T's is mostly 14Mb. (HSPA+).

MovieLover76

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Re: more so

Technically AT&T hspa+ is 21mbps now, though it's true in shared markets for both companies t-mobile's hspa+ is much faster
BiggA

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Re: more so

AT&T is marketing 14.4 as 4G, as they market the iPhone as 4G. I consider it to be enhanced 3G.

Its just a bunch of marketing BS, but the other factor that's harder to quantify is how well the networks actually work. AT&T's is highly variable, Verizon's very solid, but we don't know how it will hold up a few years down the line...

And coverage is a whole different issue. Around here, T-Mobile is EDGE, AT&T is running HSPA+, and Verizon is limping along on EVDO. I don't consider us to have any 4G.

WiMAX is also a tough case. Should WiMAX be allowed to be marketed as 4G when AT&T's HSPA+ sometimes can match it's speed?

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Re: more so

I have never seen AT&T market the iPhone 4S as 4G.
BiggA

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Re: more so


What do you call this?
From wireless.att.com:

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Re: more so

Wow. That's what, 28Mb/s slower than my phone! That's what people mean by not calling HSPA+ not 4g. It's not the same, but it isn't 3g either, considering evdo 3g is max 3Mb usually. And not all HSPA+ is the same either.

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That would explain why I had a co-worker come to me on Friday and ask why his 4S said 3G instead of 4G....

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I stand corrected.
BiggA

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Re: more so

Fair enough. I don't agree with the way they are marking it, I think 3.5G or 3.9G or enhanced 3G or turbo 3G would be a much better marketing term.

WiMAX should be 4G even though it's slow, but the real 4G is LTE.

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Re: more so

Technically the current Lte used now was not originally considered 4g either so your point fails. It was approved as 4g with HSPA+.
BiggA

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Re: more so

Yes, I know, but it a whole new architecture, so it should be given a new "G". HSPA+ is just an evolution of UMTS.

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Re: more so

What would they use? They can't use 3.5G considering it was used for devices with speeds of 3-7.2Mb/s.
»www.phonegg.com/HP/iPAQ-910c/HP-···10c.html
»www.gsmarena.com/hp_ipaq_910c-2095.php
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BiggA

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Re: more so

3.9G, 3.75G, Turbo 3G, Super 3G, Enhanced 3G, Boosted 3G, 3G Plus, I could keep going on and on...

Or just keep advertising that AT&T's 3G is much faster than the others' 3G. Would make them look better than having crappy 4G. It's sad how AT&T's HSPA+ network gets bashed because it's awful for 4G, but if you look at it correctly, as the 3G that it is, it's really a great network (in most places).

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Don't forget that AT&T wanted to change the 3G symbol on the screen to 4G....

Apple wasn't having any of that.

»www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2394434,00.asp

Perhaps a "Throttled" indicator would be more appropriate.... Suggestions for what form that should take?
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AT&T's HSPA+ ain't 21mpbs in NYC or pretty much any large market excluding the ones in Texas. Their HSPA+ network simply hasn't been upgraded to 64QAM plain and simple.

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=73zZtMF95SU

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYkeSJH5uSM

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Verizon

The clear winner in the fourfauxG race is Verizon. LTE has more of a claim to being 4G than HSPA+, even though LTE isn't really 4G as originally described. With Verizon having the largest, by far, LTE network they should be the only carrier to be able to claim such.

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Re: Verizon

True, the lower speeds on my Verizon LTE are over the top of T-mobile or AT&T, 10 - 15mbps on LTE and I'm regularly in the 20 - 30 range and in the northeast their coverage is getting pretty darn good.

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Re: Verizon

Here in Wilmington, I get those same speeds, minus the better upload. It's when I travel into 3g areas I get 5-10 Mb instead. Granted I'm on a 42Mb phone and tablet. 20Mb is pretty normal, it's usually faster.
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Re: Verizon

If you are getting 5-10 on Verizon 3G, that seems really good. I thought the best Verizon 3G was EVDO Rev A which tops out at ~3Mbps. Did Verizon deploy EVDO Rev B or MC? Those would support the data rates you cite on 3G.

I've never read any Verizon 3G tests achieving 5-10Mbps so I'm surprised by your results.

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Re: Verizon

Sorry, i meant t-mobile 3g.

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Verizon is not the clear winner of the race I seen some Verizon LTE test only claim half of the speed they get just like they get into ATT network so. If you got any claim to back this up please show me.

The test I seen on Verizon LTE network was only 5-7 to 10-15 not 15+ mbps download.
chgo_man99

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Never caught on it

Too expensive to have both data plans ( your old 3G smartphone aha iPhone) and LTE hotspot. And I love iPhone and it's iOs. Will never switch to Android phone except maybe when I get a tablet then I'll get Android just for different feel.
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Fools and their wirele$$ service plans!

»www.trekforeb.com/toyota-25.html

Got you coming and going!
FloridaBoy

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Mo' Money

All this makes me glad I don't have a data plan.

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hmm

Anyone else wondering if any of them are gonna reach their projected upgrade deadline?