Hall MVM join:2000-04-28 Germantown, OH
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Hall
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2010-Oct-22 1:37 pm
How many...How many of those 165k DSL users they "lost" actually remained customers using FIOS ? | |
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Re: How many...I'm still looking. » investor.verizon.com/I've dropped them a line to see how many upgraded to FiOS and how many were users in unupgraded DSL markets that moved to cable. I have a feeling that if most were going FiOS, that's something they'd make clearer. | |
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Hall
MVM
2010-Oct-22 1:56 pm
Re: How many...I seem to recall a Verizon story you posted a while back that talked about how Verizon was removing ALL copper to a home when they switched to FIOS. If that's still true, people can't switch to FIOS for TV and phone but keep their DSL. Their TV, phone, and internet all have to be FIOS-based. | |
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Re: How many...If address becomes FIOS available, you can never get Verizon DSL again. DSL becomes a grandfathered product. You can get CLEC DSL though, if you can get CLEC DSL in the first place (no RTs).
VZ wouldn't want people on $19 758k DSL anyway. | |
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| | | jmn1207 Premium Member join:2000-07-19 Sterling, VA |
to Hall
I suppose it depends on the infrastructure in a given area. We still have both at our house. The POTS service is on a separate bill from our FiOS TV and Internet. | |
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| | | Sammer join:2005-12-22 Canonsburg, PA |
to Hall
I used to live in area that had Verizon FiOS and once FiOS was available to everyone served by that local central office Verizon DSL became a grandfathered only product for that area. Yes Verizon liked to remove the copper drop at that time but it really doesn't matter as far as CLEC DSL is concerned because Verizon isn't allowed under PA law to prevent people from signing up for CLEC DSL simply because there is no drop to the house. If the reason there is no drop is because Verizon removed the old one then that is Verizon's responsibility. | |
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Re: How many...if VZ was smart they'd just start rebuilding their entire network to FiOS and getting rid of the copper like ATT did in many areas back when they were doing Project Lightspeed (Monroe, MI was one area they did that in), no DSL service is available and T1s are through the roof to have installed. | |
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to Karl Bode
Karl, Did the lost 165,000 DSL customers include all those folks(like me) that were Verizon DSL, and are now Frontier DSL (as of July 1) ???
Or, is that a separate item count?
Or, will they change the count in a future earnings period? | |
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Re: How many...Those were offloaded separately...new metrics like the fact FiOS now covers 60% of FiOS territory are the result of the Frontier offload. | |
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| Hall MVM join:2000-04-28 Germantown, OH |
Hall
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2010-Oct-22 2:36 pm
Damn! Story is from 2005... Why I remember something like this I don't know (no Verizon here other than cellular). » Get Fios, Lose Copper - Forever | |
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to Hall
Ok well I got an "almost" answer, which kind of falls in line with my guess that they don't publicize it because many of these folks are going elsewhere: Karl -- About 20-25% of our FiOS Internet net adds each quarter come from Verizon DSL customers moving up to higher FiOS Internet speeds. That's as much detail as I can provide. | |
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to Hall
Approximately 165,000 X .25(25%,as stated above) = 41,250 | |
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mix join:2002-03-19 Romeo, MI |
mix
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2010-Oct-22 1:52 pm
LTE as an upgrade option for POTS/DSL usersIs this a serious idea anyone is throwing around for rural areas? | |
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| jmn1207 Premium Member join:2000-07-19 Sterling, VA |
jmn1207
Premium Member
2010-Oct-22 1:59 pm
Re: LTE as an upgrade option for POTS/DSL userssaid by mix:Is this a serious idea anyone is throwing around for rural areas? Yes, Verizon seems to be giving strong indicators that this will be their long-term plan, especially when one considers how fast they are selling off their current copper wireline business and their apparent lack of interest to support it. | |
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They seem to be testing a residential version of LTE based on some leaked photos recently posted to our forums: » Exclusive: Verizon Home LTE Beta Test PhotosSomeone who has worked with them on LTE deployments also told me they're very serious in using it as a replacement for the DSL in many rural markets they didn't want to upgrade or maintain. | |
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KCrimson Premium Member join:2001-02-25 Brooklyn, NY |
KCrimson
Premium Member
2010-Oct-22 2:11 pm
Vz FiOS will see uptick this qtr thanks to Cablevision/FoxI know I'm switching back to FiOS. The install is scheduled for Monday. The Fox/Cablevision dispute is what got me to start looking at the latest Vz Fios offerings. I love competition - when Verizon raises the rates in 12 months, I might switch back. | |
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Re: Vz FiOS will see uptick this qtr thanks to Cablevision/Foxyou go girl(or whatever)! | |
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| Pathfinder5Dazed Confused Premium Member join:2000-03-26 New York, NY |
to KCrimson
said by KCrimson:I know I'm switching back to FiOS. The install is scheduled for Monday. The Fox/Cablevision dispute is what got me to start looking at the latest Vz Fios offerings. I love competition - when Verizon raises the rates in 12 months, I might switch back. I have it on good authority that the Yonkers CO has seen at least double the FIOS installs that it normally has. (Yonkers is Cablevision territory) | |
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This is normal trendthat an old technology is being phased out in the favor of a new technology. I got rid of DSL in favor of higher speeds and same monthly prices. | |
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Re: This is normal trendIt's not really a replacement if it comes with caps or is charged per byte. If it didn't have any additional costs/restrictions than standard DSL then it would be a win for rural area consumers. If they charge like data usage on cell phones then it's a failure. | |
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wireless saturationat the prices verizon charges and the terms of service there is market saturation... verizon will only respond to price cuts and competition if it really has to, not as an initiator of "disruptive pricing" | |
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DavePR join:2008-06-04 Canyon Country, CA |
DavePR
Member
2010-Oct-22 5:26 pm
Verizon (nee GTE) or Verizon Wireless?Are you saying Verizon the phone company is going to get Verizon Wireless to take over business by switching from hardline to 4G wireless? That seems awfully complicated. | |
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| jmn1207 Premium Member join:2000-07-19 Sterling, VA |
jmn1207
Premium Member
2010-Oct-22 6:02 pm
Re: Verizon (nee GTE) or Verizon Wireless?They have already sold off large regions where they felt that upgrading was simply not worth the effort. Verizon Wireless is hugely successful, and the natural progression of the technology will allow for Verizon to regain a customer base in these regions where they pulled out.
While they are getting an immediate return on the sales of these more rural wireline areas, and as their wireless service coverage and technology advances, it will be quite possible to offer much better service at a more competitive cost a few years down the road.
What is difficult to understand is how Verizon was able to find a willing buyer to take on the enormous debt and flailing, aging telephony business, at least from a consumer aspect. Something about it seems rather nefarious. Having suffered indirectly from the WorldCom scandal, can you blame me for not being very trusting with this industry? | |
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Raven63
Anon
2010-Oct-23 12:19 am
Verizon Adds 226k FiOS Users, Loses 165k DSL UsersVerizon deserve to lose customers. They are absolutely rotten to us. We have had them for 1 year and 2 months and the whole time it's been hell. They have slowed down our download/upload speed so much that we not only can't get get u-tube or radio streams, we can't update our antivirus and security programs and even the updates of the VZAccess Manager fail. I've called them hundreds of times about it. They always say they are putting in a trouble ticket but during all of that time, they only put in 1. They called and told my husband that their troubleshooting found that everything was fine. They didn't ask US if it was fine - and it isn't...I could go on but not now. | |
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| cork1958Cork Premium Member join:2000-02-26 |
cork1958
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2010-Oct-23 5:44 am
Re: Verizon Adds 226k FiOS Users, Loses 165k DSL Userssaid by Raven63 :
Verizon deserve to lose customers. They are absolutely rotten to us. We have had them for 1 year and 2 months and the whole time it's been hell. They have slowed down our download/upload speed so much that we not only can't get get u-tube or radio streams, we can't update our antivirus and security programs and even the updates of the VZAccess Manager fail. I've called them hundreds of times about it. They always say they are putting in a trouble ticket but during all of that time, they only put in 1. They called and told my husband that their troubleshooting found that everything was fine. They didn't ask US if it was fine - and it isn't...I could go on but not now. Get rid of that VZAcess crap anyway. No need for that. Personally, I think Verizon is one of the greediest, most inhumane companies there is. Glad I've never worked for them and so far, glad they sold us off to Frontier!! | |
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| tim_kButtons, Bows, Beamer, Shadow, Kasey Premium Member join:2002-02-02 Stewartstown, PA |
to Raven63
said by Raven63 :
Verizon deserve to lose customers. They are absolutely rotten to us. We have had them for 1 year and 2 months and the whole time it's been hell. They have slowed down our download/upload speed so much that we not only can't get get u-tube or radio streams, we can't update our antivirus and security programs and even the updates of the VZAccess Manager fail. I've called them hundreds of times about it. They always say they are putting in a trouble ticket but during all of that time, they only put in 1. They called and told my husband that their troubleshooting found that everything was fine. They didn't ask US if it was fine - and it isn't...I could go on but not now. Next time, demand an escalation of your problem. You need to get past the tier 1 techs to get anything done. | |
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| Pathfinder5Dazed Confused Premium Member join:2000-03-26 New York, NY |
to Raven63
Why would you keep them for 14 months? Aren't there any alternatives? Personally I have had their DSL for over 10 years and it has been flawless. | |
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Re: Verizon Adds 226k FiOS Users, Loses 165k DSL Userssaid by Pathfinder5:Why would you keep them for 14 months? Aren't there any alternatives? Personally I have had their DSL for over 10 years and it has been flawless. I had the same experience, except mine was for just under four years. I only dropped landline and DSL two months ago. | |
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kmcheng
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2010-Oct-24 11:53 pm
pretty happypretty happy with my 7.1mb DSL from verizon, although I would like to upgrade to fios | |
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ebubman join:2002-01-17 Mechanicsburg, PA |
left comcast20+ year comcast customer----moved recently & fios available at new crib. got the fios extreme hd triple play. internet much faster than comcast. tv menu structure far more attractive than comcast. hd channels > comcast. phone is ok--mainly for e911. however, the guaranteed cost is SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER THAN COMCAST over the entire life of the promotion. overall, we are seriously liking fios & have NO reason to even think about looking @ comcast. | |
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>_>come to my 60 year old house in poor condition and try to remove my copper lines Verizon. I dare you. | |
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