Verizon Adds Record FiOS Subs In Q1 Loses 46k DSL customers, but adds 299k FiOS customers... Verizon this morning issued their first quarter earnings report, which notes that the telco added 299,000 new FiOS TV subscribers and 298,000 new FiOS broadband subscribers during Q1, for a total of 2.2 million FiOSTV customers and 2.8 million FiOS customers. According to Verizon, the company's FiOS deployment reached 500,000 new potential homes during the quarter, and is now available to 10.4 million households. Verizon lost 46,000 "vanilla" DSL customers in the quarter. Like FiOS, wireless continued strong growth, the company adding 1.3 million net wireless subscribers. Verizon's net income jumped 5.3%, in part due to their purchase of Alltel and the 14 million wireless subs added earlier in 2008.
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| parsing data In that data, it would be interesting to see how much of the FIOS adds are in areas that overlap with Comcast (or Time Warner Cable), given their policy of bit capping. Customers might be voting with their wallets, even if they have to pay slightly more for FIOS. The northeast is mostly a saturated and locked market.. unless something drastic happens, the customer base (for the most part) isn't shifting one way or another. | |
|  |  jmn1207Premium
join:2000-07-19
Ashburn, VA | Re: parsing data I can't speak for Time Warner Cable, but in my area, Comcast and FiOS are practically the same price for internet, depending on how you translate the cable giant's PowerBoost feature. The 16/2 Blast! service is $52.95, which does not include the modem rental fee. Comcast claims this is up to 20/4 speeds, with PowerBoost used on first 20MB down and 10MB up. FiOS is $54.95 for their 20/5 service, and this includes the router cost.
The FiOS TV service is cheaper, provided you are getting all of the available channels. My Comcast Platinum package was significantly more each month than my current FiOS TV package with all of the premium movie channels. I am not on any special, bundled pricing plans, as I opted for the 50/20 speed tier ($89.95) which cannot be included in a bundled package.
The prices are going to be very competitive in areas where FiOS is located with either Comcast or TWC. When you take into account the savings from bundles in the first year or two, the amount saved is even more.
I have no allegiance to either Verizon or Comcast, and the current architecture makes it real simple for me to switch from one service to the other. | |
| | |  aaronwtPremium
join:2004-11-07
Woodbridge, VA
·Verizon FiOS
| Re: parsing data But comcast in our area doesn't come close to the 112+ HD channels that FIOS has. For me with the 50/20 FIOS tier and many more HD channels, there is no way Comcast can compete with FIOS
said by jmn1207:I can't speak for Time Warner Cable, but in my area, Comcast and FiOS are practically the same price for internet, depending on how you translate the cable giant's PowerBoost feature. The 16/2 Blast! service is $52.95, which does not include the modem rental fee. Comcast claims this is up to 20/4 speeds, with PowerBoost used on first 20MB down and 10MB up. FiOS is $54.95 for their 20/5 service, and this includes the router cost. The FiOS TV service is cheaper, provided you are getting all of the available channels. My Comcast Platinum package was significantly more each month than my current FiOS TV package with all of the premium movie channels. I am not on any special, bundled pricing plans, as I opted for the 50/20 speed tier ($89.95) which cannot be included in a bundled package. The prices are going to be very competitive in areas where FiOS is located with either Comcast or TWC. When you take into account the savings from bundles in the first year or two, the amount saved is even more. I have no allegiance to either Verizon or Comcast, and the current architecture makes it real simple for me to switch from one service to the other. | |
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| | | I lived in Comcast and switched internet a year ago. Dropped Directv last month and switched to VZ for video
Picture quality is outstanding
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| |  TzaleProud Libertarian ConservativePremium
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NYC Metro | said by tmc8080:In that data, it would be interesting to see how much of the FIOS adds are in areas that overlap with Comcast (or Time Warner Cable), given their policy of bit capping. Customers might be voting with their wallets, even if they have to pay slightly more for FIOS. The northeast is mostly a saturated and locked market.. unless something drastic happens, the customer base (for the most part) isn't shifting one way or another. Not true... A lot of people are leaving CV for FIOS.
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| | when will i get fios ?  wheres my fios you got the money now wire everybody whats the hold up you got to do it some time why not now?  | |
| |  cdruGo ColtsPremium,MVM
join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
kudos:5
·Frontier FiOS
| Re: when will i get fios ? said by duder : wheres my fios you got the money now wire everybody whats the hold up you got to do it some time why not now? Rome wasn't built in a day, FiOS won't be deployed in that time frame either. | |
| | | | | | | Re: when will i get fios ? said by dadkins:said by duder : wheres my fios you got the money now wire everybody whats the hold up you got to do it some time why not now? Comcast is doing quite well for my needs. Especially since my only other choice is AT&T DSL. Needs maybe, but it would be nice to have what you want. I too, am stuck in Comcast/AT&T land where the future promises VRADs  | |
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| Re: when will i get fios ? said by S_engineer:said by dadkins:said by duder : wheres my fios you got the money now wire everybody whats the hold up you got to do it some time why not now? Comcast is doing quite well for my needs. Especially since my only other choice is AT&T DSL. Needs maybe, but it would be nice to have what you want. I too, am stuck in Comcast/AT&T land where the future promises VRADs Don't feel bad I live in VZ territory and so far I can't get FiOS either. | |
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| |  espaethDigital PlumberPremium,MVM
join:2001-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
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| Re: Verizon proves that fiber to the home pays. said by Mr Matt:The Cable Industry uses Pulse Frequency Modulation not Asynchronous Transfer Mode or other true digital protocols to deliver their signal. On the OSI model you just described a layer1 line coding method and a layer2 link protocol. In fact, if you really wanted to you could run ATM over a PFM physical-layer network, the same way that FiOS is running Ethernet over MoCA coax in customer homes.
said by Mr Matt:The the only way for the Cable TV Industry and Incumbent Local Exchange Carriers to keep relevant will be to deploy fiber to the home. That's not really the only way. The cable MSOs can keep doing node splits until they get down to the 32 homes per segment that FiOS has today, and still provide competitive bandwidth for years to come.
Despite all of the advantages that FiOS has today over existing cable technologies, they're still only pushing a 27% adoption rate. That's really not that impressive considering a huge portion of those subscribers were already Verizon DSL customers. I think it's a little early to declare sweeping financial victory when it's only 1 out of ever 4 households that can receive FiOS actually sign up.
The biggest gain for FiOS is the 2.2 million video subscribers and associated revenue that they could never have before FiOS was deployed. | |
| | |  N3OGHYo Soy Col. "Bat" GuanoPremium
join:2003-11-11
Philly burbs
kudos:1 | Re: Verizon proves that fiber to the home pays. Does all that get channeled through the Flux Capacitor, thereby making time travel possible? Because all that stuff went on one ear, and evaporated in the dead brain cells that gave their lives bravely in the name of beer....
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|  IgnitePremium,VIP
join:2004-03-18
UK | said by Mr Matt:The Cable Voles keep customers in the dark in the way they use fiber to deliver their signal. The Cable Industry continues to try to mislead customers, that their networks are truly digital. The Cable Industry uses Pulse Frequency Modulation not Asynchronous Transfer Mode or other true digital protocols to deliver their signal. Snipping a few things, analogue transmission gives considerably more efficiency than digital, 256QAM used on cable downstreams delivers over 6 times the bit rate of binary in the same RF bandwidth.
Cable doesn't use FM for their transport of digital, they use Quadrature Amplitude Modulation downstream and usually QAM or more rarely Quadrature Phase Shift Keying for upstream, both of which ourperform an all digital solution.
ATM is not a 'true digital protocol' it can and is carried over analogue networks, as espaeth mentioned you're confusing a link protocol with a transmission protocol, ATM can ride over PFM or binary. | |
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| | Price and HD channels That's what seems to be drawing most people.
Most people (apart from us technogeeks) don't care about internet speeds or caps. As long as it's above 5Mbps it's fine for most average people. | |
| | | | Re: Price and HD channels I can say that a friend of mine had Comcast for years. I moved a half a block from him and we both had Comcast. When FIOS came, I was having a lot of problems with channels not working or pixelating. He went with FIOS after a door to door salesman came up.
Now, my friend is not technically minded at all and neither is his wife but both of them were commenting on how much better the picture quality was on FIOS over Comcast and they don't even have an HD TV.
That being said, they prefer the On-Demand selection of Comcast.
I love FIOS as their service is much better than Comcast ever was and having their package (1 HD box, 2 digital adapters and 1 Cablecard) is cheaper than Comcast with no boxes and just the locals in HD (which they claimed I shouldn't be getting.)  | |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1 | 40% availability FIOS is at 40% availability. Assuming 13.2 million passed according to this report.
This is assuming 33 million premises with POTS ( »www.tvover.net/2006/09/27/Verizo···ars.aspx ).
1 year ago, in feb 2008, I ( »Re: haha ) calculated it at 28%, 9.3 million passed.
Thats a pretty good jump, they increased availability by %40 of existing availability in one year. %40 is close to the half way point. I dont think we will ever hear any stories about urban cherry picking again, since all urban areas will be covered (excluding MDUs). | |
| | | | Re: 40% availability you know what they say about saying never, right?
people will ALWAYS complain about cherry picking on these forums. they won't stop until they have service X, once they get it, they'll stop complaining. | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1 | Re: 40% availability The cherry picking complaints have gone down alot on this site. Even most "lets track FIOS construction threads" on »Verizon Fiber Optics have disappeared over the last year or two since most people who are on DSLR and complain have gotten it by now since VZ passed them because they live in decent income urban, or suburban areas. I've never seen threads on DSLR for islands of FIOS in upstate NY, yet its there, the complainer bunch on DSLR is a small crowd and most have been pacified by now. | |
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| | fios and me sucks for me that people in my neighborhood are able to get fios, but i can't because i live in an apartment building and verizon hasn't setup my building yet. | |
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join:2001-03-28
Arlington, VA | Re: fios and me When it comes to apartment buildings sometimes the residents have to go to the management or owner to request it. My apartment in Arlingotn, VA has it yet my old apartment just a mile away that had FIOS passing it first does not have it because management has a deal with Comcast and sees no reason to change things. You should go to your resident manager and ask they if they have been approached by Verizon unless of course FIOS is not running past your building yet. | |
| | | jmn1207Premium
join:2000-07-19
Ashburn, VA | Re: fios and me It's not necessarily all bad. Being in close proximity to FiOS does free up some possible congestion in the immediate vicinity, and the fierce local competition ensures that you also see similar price discounts and performance updates as those folks living down the street. | |
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|  PathfinderDazed ConfusedPremium
join:2000-03-26
Mount Vernon, NY | Hey I'm in the same boat. | |
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| | Add ME Okay the guys laid the fiber in my neighborhood last November/December, Can we run it to my house already? I know it's VZ's fiber because I saw the contractors and VZ supervisor checking the work being done, but damn I can't tell you how frustrating it is know the fiber is in the ground only a few yards from my house but it's not lit yet. Please hook it up SOON! I want to be a FiOS add!  | |
| | NPGMBR
join:2001-03-28
Arlington, VA | Re: Add ME Yeah that sucks a big fat one. Hope it changes for you soon. I love my FIOS. My only complaint is these crappy ass Motorolla boxes that have buggy software. | |
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 HpowerRoflmao
join:2000-06-08
Glendale, CA | FIOS in Burbank! Common! :o I really hope I will see FIOS in the Burbank, CA area before I retire damnit. Common, timewarner is getting tiresome with this lame caps drama lately lol.
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| | | | Re: FIOS in Burbank! Common! :o said by Hpower:I really hope I will see FIOS in the Burbank, CA area before I retire damnit. Common, timewarner is getting tiresome with this lame caps drama lately lol. Unfortunately you will never see it there, as Burbank is AT&T territory, not Verizon. You might want to check up on AT&T U-Verse and see if it is available. | |
| | | | Aren't you in at&t area? You'll NEVER get FIOS. | |
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rmckofke
join:2001-05-15
Staten Island, NY | Fios TV has been great... Aside from the "off" remote/box issue, the TV service has been phenomenal. Their SD pic quality blows TWC away (I was watching MLB in SD and my brother thought it was the HD feed).
The Internet speeds are as promised but them preferring to use their router (I know you can use your own but the setup is a pain) is a bit annoying. The phone has been more or less ok but we've had some weird line issues that VZ claims is either faulty jacks and/or a poor phone.
at 95/month you can;t really beat the price/product. I was paying TWC almost 170 a month for crappy TV and 10 down/ less than 1 up internet - I'm paying less for way more - apparently a lot of other people are as well (where available obviously). | |
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join:2002-01-21
Hayward, CA | Oh...please Please come to the San Francisco bay area. Please!!! | |
| | | Fios Fios is great if you can get it, but considering that 90% of the nation cannot get it, it's kind of pointless to keep providing free FiOS advertisements here. It will take years for Verizon to even cover 100% of its current footprint with FiOS. And people who are not in Verizon territory now will never be in Verizon territory, meaning they have a 0% chance of ever getting FiOS. Sure, I suppose its possible in theory for Verizon to expand its territory, but it wont be worth their time to fight the Comcast, TWC and AT&T legal teams. We've all seen the fuss that the MSO's have made about municipal fiber. Just wait until Verizon tries to encroach on their territory.
The best that most of us can hope for is that Comcast, TWC, Cox, et al decide to go the fiber route. And that probably wont happen for another 20 years or so. Hell, most of us cable subs are still waiting on D3. | |
| | | WHY fios will destroy TWC and comcast yes it will get all the areas covered then under cut , TWC being so badly oversubscribed with outdated tech will crumble as will comcast, THIS is what is coming.
YOUR going to see it start maybe in 3-4 years as Verizon eyes it all.....BYE then the others doing nothing it will be too late. ADD the fact TWC wants caps that's means they wouldn't be able to compete same with comacast as that just tells me there plan is TO MILK what they have longer.
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Verizon proves that fiber to the home pays.
If the incumbent local exchange carriers want to remain relevant they must replace copper with fiber to the home. The Cable Voles keep customers in the dark in the way they use fiber to deliver their signal. The Cable Industry continues to try to mislead customers, that their networks are truly digital. The Cable Industry uses Pulse Frequency Modulation not Asynchronous Transfer Mode or other true digital protocols to deliver their signal. The the only way for the Cable TV Industry and Incumbent Local Exchange Carriers to keep relevant will be to deploy fiber to the home.
