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Mount Airy, MD | Re: Whoooo stop the presses. said by batterup:Wasn't this common knowledge over a year ago? Well now that the war is looking better than it did, major media outlets are trying to gin up another reason for the left to be mad at Bush. 
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Mount Airy, MD | Re: Whoooo stop the presses. said by rit56:once again defending the Administrstion for breaking the law. Yawn. The left is doing everything it can to ensure our defeat. They couldn't cut the funding for our troops so they will now kill our relations with allied countries as a means to help the enemy win.
And then the left has the nerve to whine that our image abroad sucks when they do this?
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read the following...
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then realize that people like you who think military power is the answer to every problem are exactly what Eisenhower
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he knew there are benefits and DANGERS to the use of military power.....people like you think it is an end to all means...and that is what is destroying the US image/respect in the world today....why don't you just go join BLACKWATER as the mercenary you want to be and just go through out the world killing people, then you'll be happy... | |
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kudos:1 | said by pnh102:said by rit56:once again defending the Administrstion for breaking the law. Yawn. The left is doing everything it can to ensure our defeat. They couldn't cut the funding for our troops so they will now kill our relations with allied countries as a means to help the enemy win. And then the left has the nerve to whine that our image abroad sucks when they do this? How much did the Republicans pay you to say that?
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Mount Airy, MD | Re: Whoooo stop the presses. said by RR Conductor:How much did the Republicans pay you to say that? Now that is insulting. I've always come up with my own material. Should I have inadvertently quoted someone else without attributing proper citation, then I will gladly correct the record.
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Mount Airy, MD | Re: Whoooo stop the presses. said by DGDTrathole:as Bush can't and Cheney can't could you please define how we "win" a political/civil war in another country as a foreign power with military force...as it has never/ever been done before. We've beaten many countries in foreign wars. During World War 2 we beat 3.
As for Bush and Cheney, I think they are finally starting to realize that in order to win a war, our troops have to actually fight and kill the enemy. Prior to the surge, it almost read as if any of our troops who wanted to even holster a weapon had to go through a 19 point checklist before he/she could even fire a shot. My main gripe about the surge is that it wasn't started sooner. We could have saved a lot of lives had we done it.
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Mount Airy, MD | Re: Whoooo stop the presses. said by DGDTrathole:those were not political/civil wars...so answer the question instead of changing the issue How was World War 2 not political?
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Here's the letter they sent me in May 2006:
26 May 2006
Thank you for contacting Verizon Wireless through our website. My name is Lorna, and I am happy to assist you regarding NSA story.
Verizon Wireless does not provide its customers' call records, or any information from those records, to the NSA. Any suggestion in news reports that we do is utterly false.
It has been a pleasure assisting you today, and we appreciate your business. Should you have additional questions or concerns, please reply to this e-mail.
Sincerely,
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Verizon Wireless does not provide its customers' call records, or any information from those records, to the NSA.
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Nirvana | America Inc. Can anybody tell me how the current state of personal freedoms in America is any different from communist or fascists countries? (besides death and imprisionment -- which is also starting to creep-in via extraordinary rendition).
Let's face it "America the Beautiful" - isn't anymore. Since the 60's it's been "America Inc." -- and your only as good as your last day here (at work that is).
I'd say only an armed peasant revolt or utter destruction from outside will change things now (even Hillary looks like a sell-out!  )
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1. Socialized Medicine
2. $5000 voucher for every new kid
3. "Woman's" Rights? Is she grouping gay rights with this one?
4. Right from her website...stregthen middle class...
As president, Hillary will:
Make health care affordable and accessible to every American.
Reduce the cost of energy and make us energy independent.
Expand access to affordable, high-quality child care.
Make college more affordable.
Protect families from predatory lenders and help them avoid foreclosures.
Increase the minimum wage.
Create good jobs with good wages to expand the middle class.
Balance the federal budget so we don't pass today's massive debts to the next generation.
Reward savings, protect pensions, and provide greater retirement security.
This is just a piece of the crap this sociopath has in store for your country! God help us defeat this beast! | |
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Nirvana | Re: America Inc. said by RogerADSL:1. Socialized Medicine 2. $5000 voucher for every new kid 3. "Woman's" Rights? Is she grouping gay rights with this one? 4. Right from her website...stregthen middle class... As president, Hillary will: Make health care affordable and accessible to every American. Reduce the cost of energy and make us energy independent. Expand access to affordable, high-quality child care. Make college more affordable. Protect families from predatory lenders and help them avoid foreclosures. Increase the minimum wage. Create good jobs with good wages to expand the middle class. Balance the federal budget so we don't pass today's massive debts to the next generation. Reward savings, protect pensions, and provide greater retirement security. uhhh...don't we all want these things? Bush and the repugs have confirmed their way is "666". Hillary's way might work -- but she's also beholden to "666" as well. I'm NOT for more government -- just less "corporate democracy". Hate France all you want to -- but from I stand I looks mighty good for the average worker.
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1 edit | Re: America Inc. Corporate democracy is the only reason "they" want to kill you (i.e. Exxon et al). Become more like Canada and live in peace (if our Christian fundies don't get us killed for defending a rogue state like Israel).
Verizon is just par for the course in a corp. democracy.
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Maybe Fascism is the only goverment that can rule these people. They only understand power. A repubulican goverment, like ours, is difficult to understand. Most of you will call it a democracy, but it is far from what we have, or from what our founding fathers wanted.
If it spills over into IRAN, so be it. Those people need to be taught to respect the power of American might, and fear the mushroom cloud! | |
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Mount Airy, MD | said by ronpin:said by RogerADSL:1. Socialized Medicine 2. $5000 voucher for every new kid 3. "Woman's" Rights? Is she grouping gay rights with this one? 4. Right from her website...stregthen middle class... As president, Hillary will: Make health care affordable and accessible to every American. Reduce the cost of energy and make us energy independent. Expand access to affordable, high-quality child care. Make college more affordable. Protect families from predatory lenders and help them avoid foreclosures. Increase the minimum wage. Create good jobs with good wages to expand the middle class. Balance the federal budget so we don't pass today's massive debts to the next generation. Reward savings, protect pensions, and provide greater retirement security. uhhh...don't we all want these things? NO!
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Make health care a benefit of the rich. Everyone else just get's sick and dies.
Keep supporting the terrorist by buying their oil.
Stop mothers from working, they should be at home raising the kids anyway.
College is like health care, only the rich should be allowed to go.
Let's start up MORE slimy mortgage brokers, and break the economy even MORE!
Let's LOWER the minimum wage, If you can't live off $5.00/hr ($200.00/week), then you should live on the street.
Lets keep paying our executives more and more, and let them oursource all our manufacturing, technical and skilled positions overseas. Everyone else can get a job at McDonalds for $5.00/hr
Let's keep spending and cutting taxes! That's the solution to the future.
Stop SAVING. The megacorps NEED your money! Let's INCREASE the penalties for saving! (but, with 5.00/hour jobs, that shouldn't be too hard)
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People that criticize government (like you) don't get put in prison.
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New York, NY | Re: America Inc. said by ronpin:said by footballdude:said by ronpin:Can anybody tell me how the current state of personal freedoms in America is any different from communist or fascists countries? We don't kill people when they try to leave the country. People that criticize government (like you) don't get put in prison. Where've you been? It's happening brother (extraordinary rendition). OK, it's only just started -- so we still have a chance to stop it. Ummm, do you have a single example of a person who criticized the government, or simply tried to leave the country being subject to rendition???? I think you are a little confused here!
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Mount Airy, MD | Re: America Inc. said by wifi4milez:Ummm, do you have a single example of a person who criticized the government, or simply tried to leave the country being subject to rendition???? I think you are a little confused here! Sure he does... he saw that movie about it
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kudos:2 | said by ronpin:Can anybody tell me how the current state of personal freedoms in America is any different from communist or fascists countries? Since the 60's it's been "America Inc." -- and your only as good as your last day here (at work that is). For starters, there's no "Inc." in communism. | |
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1 edit | AP -vs- Washington Post Verizon has been regularly asked in subpoenas and national security letters to identify a "calling circle" for certain telephone numbers and to provide related subscriber information.
The company has never complied with such a request as it does not maintain calling-circle records, according to Verizon general counsel Randal Milch.
There is a difference between "Verizon said it had received FBI administrative subpoenas, called national security letters" and "regularly asked in subpoenas and national security letters"
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1 edit | Re: AP -vs- Washington Post said by lesopp:Verizon has been regularly asked in subpoenas and national security letters to identify a "calling circle" for certain telephone numbers and to provide related subscriber information. The company has never complied with such a request as it does not maintain calling-circle records, according to Verizon general counsel Randal Milch. And now, VZW is starting the process of determining calling circles by collecting your CPNI call data, including number called, time called, and length of call. Unless you opt out, of course. They promise to not sell the data that is linked to you, just to collect the aggregate.
Yeah, right.
How soon before it is expanded to Verizon wired?
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kudos:5 | Re: AP -vs- Washington Post said by Answer Guy:Yup, he is not the first person to try and distort the facts to their own view. Trying to make Verizon appear to be the bad guy is his goal in life. Not sure who you're referring to, but facts are, by definition, well, they are facts. I distorted nothing.
said by Answer Guy:The last time I looked, it isn't really an invasion of privacy to share customer data with your own subsidiaries. Oh, I get it. You thought I was talking about the invasion of privacy issue. I was, but only obliquely.
My point was that the only reason VZ did not share the info with the Feds, is they didn't have it. Well, guess what? They're starting to collect it at VZW, and it won't be long before they start it at VZ. The first is a fact, the second is a prediction based on it.
Once they have the data, how difficult might it then be to comply with Feds requests?
Slightly off-topic: The privacy issue is always worrisome. There is always the potential for abuse of the info collected. You might trust the Feds, and think VZ has only your best interests in mind. Fine, that's you.
But when your life is turned upside down because someone puts two and two together and comes up with three, opens an account in your name, leaves a mess for you to pick up after, and they say, "Sorry, it was a data breach. Move along now.", what will you do? Sue? Who?
What happens when two plus two equals three, and a bunch of people in uniforms come in to borrow your computer, search your house just in case you're hiding something (they DO leave a mess behind), ask a shitload of questions to see how they can trip you up, don't say a word for a year, then say, "Sorry, we thought you were involved in some plot, oh and by the way, here's your computer back." What will you do then? Thank them for being vigilant?
With all the data collected, "so we can deliver ads for services targeted to the specific person", your daughter will take a case to the supreme court in 30 years. She will sue to have another category added to the non-discriminatory practices legislation.
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kudos:1 | Re: So if I understand correctly... There are instances where you would want the telecom companies to be flexible - for instance, if a child was abducted and most people would agree because that is common sense. Its unfortunate that the current fixation on surveillance will necessitate stronger privacy laws which may prevent such flexibility going forward.
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00000 | Re: So if I understand correctly... i call complete and total b.s. (FUD) there have been mechanisms in place that allow for this type of flexibility for many years.
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Does everyone want Verizon to be their own judicial branch to determine if an emergency request sent to you by the U.S. Government is a legally valid request? | |
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kudos:11 | Haven't We Heard That Line Before? quote:
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kudos:3 | Re: Haven't We Heard That Line Before? said by DownTheShore:Otherwise known as, "I was just following orders". Just like Lt William Calley was doing.
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...the government then punished the telco by holding back lucrative government contracts.
Verizon said it had received FBI administrative subpoenas, called national security letters, requesting data...
So your little brother says "no, I'm not taking out the trash and he doesn't get icecream because of it. Then you get asked to take out the trash... What would you do?? Verizon's response of "it would slow efforts.. blah blah blah.." would be like you saying "sure because it's trash and it should go outside instead of stay in the house, I don't care about icecream"
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hiatus | Re: So? said by TechieZero:These were phone records, not actual phone calls. They had subpoenas for some and in the least they can exert reasonable cause to search and investigate especially if they are following a lead. Its what cops do. Does Congress want to assume that responsibility? I don't think they want that responsibility... What they appear to be doing wanted to clarify the rules under which LEOs can operate.
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2 edits | Here's what bothers me here... What really upsets me is how selfish so many of you are! Your attitude seems to be: "I've got MINE, so FUCK YOU!" This is really bothersome to me! Right now, we're fighting a war to promote american democracy in the Middle east. So many of you here seem to think that it's FINE to help out people you'll never know, yet you say: "FUCK YOU" to people that live right down the STREET from you! America was born to be a charitible, caring country-yet I see very little of that charity in many posts here! What happened to caring about your fellow man? Is that second sports car or HDTV so important to you that you have no problem telling those less fortunate then you to go SCREW themselves? Facts are, that Americans are the richest people in the world. Fact is also are that Americans GIVE the SMALLEST percentage of their income to charity then any other first world country! Facts ALSO are that EVERY OTHER first world country in the world also believes that the health of their citizens is a BIRTH RIGHT, while here in America almost 40 million have no health insurance! MILLIONS of children go hungry every night RIGHT HERE!
HOW DARE that you greedy consumers ignore their plight!
Why do you think that the USA is so hated abroad? It's because they SEE our greed! They SEE YOUR GLUTTONY!
THEN you claim that socialism is bad...Let me clue the herd of you into something...ANYTHING can be good or bad if overused, INCLUDING CAPITALISM! Here in the USA, capitalism is like a runaway train, and MILLIONS are suffering because of it!
The divide between the haves and have nots has NEVER been greater-the top 2% of Americans control something like 95 percent of the wealth in this country-and so many of you here think that's AOK???! Maybe it hasn't affected you yet, but eventually it will-and YOU'll be the one suffering. I'm sure your HDTV in every room will really help you out then...RIGHT???
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| Re: Here's what bothers me here... Besides the fact that the topic is about privacy and illegal wire tapping, you will be even more upset when you realize that the war you're referring to has nothing to do with 'promoting American democracy' as Bush/Cheney would like you to believe, but is instead a war born of greed and fascism. I agree with a lot of what you say but this is not the right place to discuss it. Unfortunately, those people who love speed (FIOS) will suffer from lack of content to select from.
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| | | said by qworster:What really upsets me is how selfish so many of you are! Your attitude seems to be: "I've got MINE, so FUCK YOU!" Actually, I was born poor. I not only didn't get money for college, I wasn't taught that I needed it. I went in the military for 10 years and was screwed out of my education benefits (remember VEAP anyone)?
I decided I needed to get my own skillset, on my own. I did that. Without government help (I'm a white male).
During the significant part of my life as a "have-not", I didn't whine about the "haves." I believed in the American Dream then, and I still do. But what I have wasn't given to me by the government or anyone else. I earned it. Just like the Constitution intended.
I've got mine because I went out and got mine. So get your own or, yeah, exactly...f*ck you! | |
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kudos:3 | said by qworster: Facts ALSO are that EVERY OTHER first world country in the world also believes that the health of their citizens is a BIRTH RIGHT, while here in America almost 40 million have no health insurance! Ask a Canadian how that works.
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| I'd rather have Canadian Universal health then nothing! I got laid off last August when the company I worked for went out of business. The company I worked for was small, (30 employees), so no COBRA was offered. My wife has Asthma, and I have found it IMPOSSIBLE to find ANYONE that will give us health insurance! I. my wife and my three children NOW HAVE NO HEALTH INSURANCE!!!!! My wife recently went back to work. She will be able to GET health insurance through her company AFTER THREE MONTHS!!! That means that we'll have NO HEALTH INSURANCE for FIVE MONTHS!!!!!
Believe me, I'll take Canada's plan over THIS SHIT ANY DAY!!!
I'm not a welfare person-I'm an executive whose company went out of business.
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1 edit | Re: zenith said by David:said by fatness:Wow, the comments in this thread are some of the best topic-shifting I've seen in a long time. Btw did you hear that if you put Mobil 1 in a chevy avalanche it runs a lot better? how is that for topic shifting I disagree. IMO light virgin olive oil browns a roast nicely without leaving a greasy flavor.
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| | Could BroadBand reports please remove the racist link? The michellemalkin site is full of the most vile, racist, hate-filled spew I've had the privilege to read recently. Can we spike that link please? | |
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kudos:3 | We Can Hear You Now. ;-) He's got it.
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