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1984It is absolutely inexcusable that any provider would use this and if you are the programmer that worked on this, how do you sleep at night? | |
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thegeek
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2011-Dec-1 10:43 am
Tested True for MeI tested two phones with custom ROMs and one stock phone and no CIQ on any of them. Didn't figure I'd find it on the custom ROMs anyway. » forum.xda-developers.com ··· ount=110 | |
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2011-Dec-1 11:14 am
Re: Tested True for MeYeah great, assuming that app even works correctly. | |
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2011-Dec-1 12:04 pm
Re: Tested True for MeThe developer is a trusted Android dev. I'm going to assume it actually works. | |
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2011-Dec-1 12:08 pm
Re: Tested True for MeThat developer is the same guy that brought the whole carrier iq to light in the first place! | |
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Same here, but my Droid 1 has Cyanogenmod 7 on it, so didn't expect anything. | |
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I'd want VZW to define that a bit more broadly.I think that VZW needs to state that they are not collecting the datasets that CarrierIQ appears to track.
Their 'to the letter' statement could mean that while VZW is not using CarrierIQ, it IS using CarrierIQX. | |
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2011-Dec-1 11:45 am
[Poll] Avoid smartphones because of tracking software?I saw 1 post where a user says this is another good reason to avoid smartphones. Poll Will you avoid buying a smartphone to avoid tracking software? |
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Re: [Poll] Avoid smartphones because of tracking software?said by FFH5:I saw 1 post where a user says this is another good reason to avoid smartphones. If it was my comment to which you refer, that's an inaccurate statement. I wrote (paraphrased) that carrier-installed spyware was another reason for me to forgo a not-so-smart phone. said by FFH5:Will you avoid buying a smartphone to avoid tracking software?,YES,NO Now how about doing a poll that addresses the actual issue we're discussing: Spyware, not simple tracking. Heck, even my prehistoric old Centro can be tracked. Jim | |
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The only smart phone I will purchase is a fully unlocked phone or vendor phone. Never from the VZW store...
I don't have a smart phone though... so its all good... | |
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OTOHHow many people out there download Android software for their smartphone without either checking the permissions or not really caring what they say? It's almost impossible to find wasoftware that doesn't invade your privacy and almost none of the software truly needs the permissions it asks for. I wish there was a listing of Android software that didn't ask for any permissions. It just would download and do only the exact thing you needed it to do. | |
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2011-Dec-1 12:21 pm
Re: OTOHsaid by biochemistry:I wish there was a listing of Android software that didn't ask for any permissions. It just would download and do only the exact thing you needed it to do. Every Android app that needs internet access to obtain info to present needs at least Internet Access permission. Maybe a game that you PAID for and didn't have ads could fit into a category that didn't need internet permission or other permissions. But there are very few apps that don't need at least a couple permissions just to run. | |
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I wish there was a listing like this as well but until there is you can always root your phone and install LBE Security Service and take those matters into your own hands. I am running the stock Verizon release on my DroidX but since I have rooted the phone I can block crap like Angry Birds from looking up my current location or other apps from reading my SMS messages or phone directory. | |
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2011-Dec-1 12:35 pm
still not clear?If they do not use this software or similar software. Is it still installed on their phones? | |
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nikdo
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2011-Dec-1 1:40 pm
Windows PhoneI like the way Microsoft handles this. When I click settings/feedback/privacy on my phone it takes me to this page which tells you how to disable any feature you want that concerns your privacy. Of course, I am taking them at their word on it... Its a pretty good phone/OS too » www.microsoft.com/window ··· acy.aspx | |
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2011-Dec-1 1:43 pm
Full list of what is supposedly tracked?Does anyone have a full list of what is supposedly tracked with CIQ? | |
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2011-Dec-1 2:13 pm
Re: Full list of what is supposedly tracked?said by 93388818:Does anyone have a full list of what is supposedly tracked with CIQ? So says Sen Franken when he castigated CarrierIQ: » franken.senate.gov/?p=pr ··· &id=1868Carrier IQ was logging and potentially transmitting the sensitive information of consumers, including:
when they turn their phones on; when they turn their phones off; the phone numbers they dial; the contents of text messages they receive; the URLs of the websites they visit;the contents of their online search querieseven when those searches are encrypted; and the location of the customer using the smartphoneeven when the customer has expressly denied permission for an app that is currently running to access his or her location.
Sen. Franken called on Carrier IQ President and CEO Larry Lenhart to explain exactly what information the software records, whether that information is transmitted to Carrier IQ or to other companies, and whether that information is shared with any third party, among other things. He also asked if Carrier IQ would allow users to stop this tracking. | |
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2011-Dec-1 3:38 pm
Re: Full list of what is supposedly tracked?said by FFH5:Carrier IQ was logging and potentially transmitting the sensitive information of consumers, including:
1 when they turn their phones on; 2 when they turn their phones off; 3 the phone numbers they dial; 4 the contents of text messages they receive; 5 the URLs of the websites they visit;the contents of their online search querieseven when those searches are encrypted; and 6 the location of the customer using the smartphoneeven when the customer has expressly denied permission for an app that is currently running to access his or her location. I'm not sure I'm understanding the issue here. 1. Carrier already knows when the handset registers on the network 2. Carrier knows when the phone drops off the network 3. Carrier obviously knows this to complete the calls. 4. Carrier can easily see this information 5. all web traffic sent through the carrier's web could easily be captured 6. also quite easily captured or able to be triangulated by cell tower and cell neighbors. | |
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2011-Dec-1 2:27 pm
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Watching the video by the guy who found this it looks like the answer to your question is "everything". Every keystroke is logged. Text messages were captured. This program basically sits between the phone and the network and captures everything you do. The video is on Gizmodo: » gizmodo.com/5863849/your ··· autoplay. | |
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2011-Dec-1 2:50 pm
Sprint says it uses CarrierIQ for network performance» www.theverge.com/2011/12 ··· -networkAfter a flurry of statements from carriers and manufacturers who claim not to install the Carrier IQ tracking software, we've finally gotten an official statement from Sprint, which admits to using Carrier IQ but says it's just for analyzing network performance. Sprint says it collects "enough information to understand the customer experience with devices on our network," but that it can't look at the contents of messages, photos, or videos using Carrier IQ. Of course, this story broke when a Sprint HTC EVO 3D was shown logging keystrokes and call information, so the question remains if Carrier IQ on Sprint phones can monitor, store, or send that data we'll ask for a clarification. | |
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2011-Dec-1 3:50 pm
Re: Sprint says it uses CarrierIQ for network performanceAnd AT&T also says they use CarrierIQ: » www.computerworld.com/s/ ··· handsetsBoth wireless carriers AT&T and Sprint insisted that the software is being used solely to improve wireless network performance while phone makers HTC and Samsung said they were integrating the software into their handsets only because their carrier customers were asking for it.
Meanwhile, several large carriers and handset makers, including Verizon, Research In Motion and Nokia, distanced themselves from the software and insisted that reports about their devices integrating the tool are false.
Mark Siegel, executive director of media relations at AT&T, however, declined to say whether Carrier IQ is present in all AT&T handsets, what notice users have of its presence and whether users have the ability to turn off the software if they choose.
In an emailed statement, Siegel said that AT&T's use of Carrier IQ software is in line with the company's privacy policies. "We're really not going to offer more detail than what's in the statement," he said. | |
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2011-Dec-1 3:12 pm
Good reason to rootIf for no other reason than to uninstall the carrier provided OS. been running cm7 on past couple droids with little to no issues. | |
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2011-Dec-1 3:27 pm
CIQ Check on Verizon ThunderboltI installed the tool to check for CarrierIQ.
On page 2 there are 3 CarrierIQ buttons. Start Test UI just says "Trying to Start Activity" then nothing. The Open Port button is greyed out. The Check CIQ Files button returns "CIQ File List ------------ CIQ Check Complete " SO I'm guessing that since no files are returned, CIQ isn't installed?
I wonder what they DO use to track the same things. | |
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Jovi
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2011-Dec-1 3:56 pm
Couldn't find it on my phone...Couldn't find it on my new Sprint Samsung Galaxy S2. Do you need to root your phone to be able to a least see it running? | |
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You can keep your stinkin Smart phoneI am amazed how many will still rush to buy the latest smart phone regardless of the violation of privacy. I do not need to buy | |
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2011-Dec-1 9:30 pm
Network maintenance?I think it's pretty funny that Verizon says they don't use it, but I read another article stating that Sprint and AT&T do. Verizon's network is definitely superior to both....
The Sprint spokesperson said according to the article: "Carrier IQ is an integral part of the Sprint service. Sprint relies on Carrier IQ to help maintain our network performance."
Network performance? Hey Sprint, I think your version of Carrier IQ is broken. | |
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2011-Dec-2 2:39 am
O.K. when?Questions remains; When does google etc push an update to remove? | |
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