 bgraham
join:2001-03-15
Smithtown, NY | Why would I pay $45? I have Voicewing for $25 and 3cents/minute to Europe. Why would I pay $45 for the same thing?
I probably could get another VOIP for $15 or $20 a month if I looked around. | |
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aaronwt
Premium
join:2004-11-07
Woodbridge, VA | Re: Why would I pay $45? I have MagicJAck and pay $20 for the entire year. It sounds just like when I had my landline with FIOS only I'm saving almost $500 a year. Plus no taxes. | |
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join:2003-08-16
Stratford, CT | Re: Why would I pay $45? Majic jack sucks, are you serious? The most unreliable phone service on the entire planet. | |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Re: Why would I pay $45? I've used Skype, and it works very well.
For $36/year, I use it on my cell phone (WiFi) for international calls, and work conference calls, and webcam conferences.
Its been very robust - even usable over VPN, through a proxy. | |
| | | | | fiberguy
My views are my own.
Premium
join:2005-05-20
| Great. It works for you. Glad your computer has become an ATA device for what should be treated as a lifeline service.
Now, back to reality where the air exists and water is required to sustain life.
MAGIC JACK IS NOT "PHONE SERVICE"... it's a toy, plain and simple. If I were to rank the phone services out there are sustainability:
POTS
Cable Switched Service
Cable managed VoIP Service / Fiber VoIP (FiOS, Surewest)
Cell Phones
3rd Party Vonage, etc
Two-Cans & String
Skype
MagicJack
MJ is a ponzi scheme waiting for the breaking news that will be the next shocking news cycle story, which isn't a shocker to some of us already. If anyone knows anything about MJ and its model, and how it plays with the rest of the PSTN, MJ can't survive. It will eventually hit it's plateau and the service will go dead.
This service is a joke. (Yes, I have it and I've used it. The service sits in the drawer now) Not only does this "phone service" require internet connections (which is fine) it also relies on the stability of your PC, as you/we know, that has to remain powered up AND not crashed or sleeping.
Vonage finds that many people are not too keen on the notion of having to self serve their home phone needs. They're not happy with having to do their own installs (which is why they now have installer teams same as satellite did years ago) they find that people are not keen on having to reboot/power cycle their phone box, and people don't want to be passed around between providers when there's an issue with the service. (All proven facts)
Now comes MJ being pushed as a "real player in the phone business".. HAH! MagicJack is really nothing more, in my opinion, than a service like Skype that can plug into your phone jack. However, the boob that "invented it" is playing people with the claims. $20 a year isn't sustainable - the service WILL go dark and probably not too far into the future as there are already signs of it.
Some of these "vision changers" think that people are going to simply give up stability for price. It took many years for the cell phone industry to even gain the status that it could be used as the only phone, and even then, people still complain about dropped calls, call clarity, and reliability.
MJ is hardly a phone service at all. Just becuase it can 'make a phone call' doesn't make it a phone service.. at best, as it stands, MJ is largely a techies toy.
Continue to use it, rave about it, praise it's ability to fit your needs, but DON'T call it phone service. I would NEVER port my primary, established, or important phone number to any company that doesn't stand behind its product or is held to standards by any authority that will ensure they are a sustainable provider.
To be honest, if government EVER did one thing right, they'd bar ANYONE from providing "phone service" or a service called "dial tone" to the end user in this country unless they followed rules and had oversight by the FCC. Phone service in the US is just FAR too important to allow children to hawk a service to the consumer made to believe that what they are getting is "phone service" which is largely compared to that of the likes of a reliable POTS service.
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aaronwt
Premium
join:2004-11-07
Woodbridge, VA
 ·Verizon FIOS
 ·Comcast
 ·Verizon Online DSL
1 edit | Re: Why would I pay $45? MAGIC JACK was a bonus for me. I dropped my land line a few months ago to use my cell phone as my primary service. But the call quality from my cell phone has never been close to land line quality. I was using a Dock N talk with the Bluetooth connection on my cell phone so I could use my 1.9GHz(DECT 6.0) cordless phones while at home. That worked fine, but again, since it's going over the cell, the quality is the same as the cell.
So then I tried the Magic Jack after a coworker turned me on to it.
So I dumped my Dock N Talk and got an Xlink BTTN unit. It works like the Dock N Talk, linking with the cell phone over it's BT connection, but it also allows up to three cell phones, and a land line. So for the land line port I am using the Magic Jack. So for all outgoing or incoming calls I can use either line. Although I will mainly be using the cell line for incoming and the Magic Jack for outgoing calls.
For 911 service I will be using my cell phone, although I've never had to use 911. I've had to call the police and fire dept. before, but not in a life threatening situation, so 911 wouldn't apply to those situations. You use the regular number instead of tying up 911 service like most of the calls they receive for 911 that aren't really emergencies.
said by fiberguy  :Great. It works for you. Glad your computer has become an ATA device for what should be treated as a lifeline service. Now, back to reality where the air exists and water is required to sustain life. MAGIC JACK IS NOT "PHONE SERVICE"... it's a toy, plain and simple. If I were to rank the phone services out there are sustainability: POTS Cable Switched Service Cable managed VoIP Service / Fiber VoIP (FiOS, Surewest) Cell Phones 3rd Party Vonage, etc Two-Cans & String Skype MagicJack MJ is a ponzi scheme waiting for the breaking news that will be the next shocking news cycle story, which isn't a shocker to some of us already. If anyone knows anything about MJ and its model, and how it plays with the rest of the PSTN, MJ can't survive. It will eventually hit it's plateau and the service will go dead. This service is a joke. (Yes, I have it and I've used it. The service sits in the drawer now) Not only does this "phone service" require internet connections (which is fine) it also relies on the stability of your PC, as you/we know, that has to remain powered up AND not crashed or sleeping. Vonage finds that many people are not too keen on the notion of having to self serve their home phone needs. They're not happy with having to do their own installs (which is why they now have installer teams same as satellite did years ago) they find that people are not keen on having to reboot/power cycle their phone box, and people don't want to be passed around between providers when there's an issue with the service. (All proven facts) Now comes MJ being pushed as a "real player in the phone business".. HAH! MagicJack is really nothing more, in my opinion, than a service like Skype that can plug into your phone jack. However, the boob that "invented it" is playing people with the claims. $20 a year isn't sustainable - the service WILL go dark and probably not too far into the future as there are already signs of it. Some of these "vision changers" think that people are going to simply give up stability for price. It took many years for the cell phone industry to even gain the status that it could be used as the only phone, and even then, people still complain about dropped calls, call clarity, and reliability. MJ is hardly a phone service at all. Just becuase it can 'make a phone call' doesn't make it a phone service.. at best, as it stands, MJ is largely a techies toy. Continue to use it, rave about it, praise it's ability to fit your needs, but DON'T call it phone service. I would NEVER port my primary, established, or important phone number to any company that doesn't stand behind its product or is held to standards by any authority that will ensure they are a sustainable provider. To be honest, if government EVER did one thing right, they'd bar ANYONE from providing "phone service" or a service called "dial tone" to the end user in this country unless they followed rules and had oversight by the FCC. Phone service in the US is just FAR too important to allow children to hawk a service to the consumer made to believe that what they are getting is "phone service" which is largely compared to that of the likes of a reliable POTS service. my 2-cents | |
| | | | | | | elray
join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA
·SONIC.NET
·Verizon Online DSL
·RoadRunner Cable
·MM INTERNET, INC.
| Re: Why would I pay $45? said by aaronwt :I dropped my land line a few months ago to use my cell phone as my primary service. ... For 911 service I will be using my cell phone, although I've never had to use 911. I've had to call the police and fire dept. before, but not in a life threatening situation, so 911 wouldn't apply to those situations. You use the regular number instead of tying up 911 service like most of the calls they receive for 911 that aren't really emergencies. Except that your cell phone 911 will not work, and "the regular number" WILL NOT WORK when you have that life-threatening situation.
I have the unfortunate opportunity to test these facilities more often than I'd like. Cell-phone 911 is not viable (yet). Dialing the PSAP directly is hit-n-miss, in other words, you can literally "die trying".
Are you willing risk your life for $17 a month?
(That's what we pay for Verizon POTS). | |
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aaronwt
Premium
join:2004-11-07
Woodbridge, VA
·Verizon FIOS
·Comcast
·Verizon Online DSL
2 edits | Re: Why would I pay $45? said by elray :said by aaronwt :I dropped my land line a few months ago to use my cell phone as my primary service. ... For 911 service I will be using my cell phone, although I've never had to use 911. I've had to call the police and fire dept. before, but not in a life threatening situation, so 911 wouldn't apply to those situations. You use the regular number instead of tying up 911 service like most of the calls they receive for 911 that aren't really emergencies. Except that your cell phone 911 will not work, and "the regular number" WILL NOT WORK when you have that life-threatening situation. I have the unfortunate opportunity to test these facilities more often than I'd like. Cell-phone 911 is not viable (yet). Dialing the PSAP directly is hit-n-miss, in other words, you can literally "die trying". Are you willing risk your life for $17 a month? (That's what we pay for Verizon POTS). Then you need to tell that to the emergency providers around here who have responded to 911 calls over cell phones sucessfully.
I don't know about Magic Jack for 911. Although It does have the proper info with my address for 911.
I'll have to ask some friends if they've responded to any emergencies from people who dialed 911 using Magic JAck. I know they have from Cell phone users without any issues. | |
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wwdubbia
join:2002-06-03
Clinton, NY | show me your Verizon bill for $17 and I'll believe you. You're flat rate plan is probably $17, but then you need to add your line cost on top of that, plus taxes/fees.
It's probably more like $50 after taxes. | |
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mod_wastrel
join:2008-03-28
 ·magicjack.com
| Re: Why would I pay $45? A no-frills POTS line from Verizon costs at least a few dollars less than $17 (total)--varies some with locality. If I remember correctly (always questionable), POTS is 911 and everything else is E911 (VoIP and cell), though a recently enacted law (?) will require the telcos to open up 911 centers directly to non-telcos. My point being that if someone feels safe only with 911, then it could be worth it for the "peace of mind" to pay the little extra for true 911 you used to only get with POTS (and I don't know the schedule required by that law as far as providing access to the 911 centers--could be awhile knowing the telcos). But all of this has little to do with using a phone to make calls for the sake of conversation. | |
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join:2003-02-18
Brunswick, MD
·Comcast
·Verizon Online DSL
| said by elray :said by aaronwt :I dropped my land line a few months ago to use my cell phone as my primary service. ... For 911 service I will be using my cell phone, although I've never had to use 911. I've had to call the police and fire dept. before, but not in a life threatening situation, so 911 wouldn't apply to those situations. You use the regular number instead of tying up 911 service like most of the calls they receive for 911 that aren't really emergencies. Except that your cell phone 911 will not work, and "the regular number" WILL NOT WORK when you have that life-threatening situation. I have the unfortunate opportunity to test these facilities more often than I'd like. Cell-phone 911 is not viable (yet). Dialing the PSAP directly is hit-n-miss, in other words, you can literally "die trying". Are you willing risk your life for $17 a month? (That's what we pay for Verizon POTS). typical fear mongering. I have nothing but cell phones and 911 has always worked just fine. I have had a couple of major accidents befall my family in the wintertime and the cell phone has always worked. I can tell you right now if there is a big enough calamity to take out all of the cell towers in my area the landlines are going to be gone as well(think katrina..landlines did you no good there..it was the HAM operators that saved the comm day there). I'm in training to join the ranks of Ham radio operators. That's a service that works irregardless of the infrastructure destruction. | |
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My views are my own.
Premium
join:2005-05-20
| Re: Why would I pay $45? Fear mongering huh?
Cell phones - unreliable as they are radio waves and are subject to far more issues than a closed wired service. However, your luck with 911 has been great!
I can show you land line service that is 100% underground from the home to the CO to the rest of the network before it even thinks of going over head.. maybe an earthquake in that area would have been a bad thing at the time.
When you go into learning to be that HAM soldier, why don't you ask them, while you're at it, if that giant HAM radio antenna is stronger than any cell phone tower or land line pole that you use to broadcast with, okay?
The fact is that while you're trying to pass over something that has been PROVEN to be a lifeline service as trivial and "fear mongering" you failed to look at your own savior's weaknesses.
I'm sorry to that but it still is a gamble that your cell phone, even, though while still my best 2nd choice, is going to be your life line over a proven reliable land line service in an emergency. It's not fear mongering to say that it's a gamble to take reliability out of the picture in the chance of emergency. And further, it only takes the 1 time that you can't make that call over your "cell phone" and before you get your HAM radio up and running (ugh) before you're personally affected and crying foul IF your cell phone failed you in an emergency.
The people on the Titanic probably never once thought about the life boat situation on the ship until it was sinking and they needed them either. Look what happened after that... we've already had issues with cell phones in emergencies and looks what's changed because of it? (and its still not 'perfect'..) Look at the issues with provider based VoIP services and the mandatory E911 services.. you think that it's all fear mongering still..?
... I support your right to believe what you want, but you can keep the fear mongering call out of this one as it will only make you look a fool. Oh, and again, if you do have an issue, and you do have that one time you can't get through right away and something bad happens, PLEASE don't come here rallying the troops to bitch with you becuase I'll be happy to break and violate EVER T.O.S. term here to rub in your loss. 
There is a real problem, in SOME cases, in this country with the lack of resolve in people.. 9/11, no matter what anyone believes happened that day, 3,000 people still died and two 100 story towers fell. The country AT LARGE kept it on their minds for a few months, and not quite long enough, before getting on with life. Sorry, but this sort of mentality is just move of the same. Emergencies and accidents are never planned. Not to mention, how you respond to them is very important even though its very unlikely that many will. But, it's that ONE point of failure that can and will turn your life upside down and you'll never be the same. Many "fear mongering" claimants used to believe what you did, until the one point of failure and then many of them became activists for their cause. Just keep that in mind when you balk at the wired phone line that has been proven effective for many many years in this country and will continue to be for many more.
Have a good one.  | |
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mod_wastrel
join:2008-03-28 | Re: Why would I pay $45? Fore-warned is fore-armed. Plan for failure. (However, to each his/her own.) | |
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join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA
·SONIC.NET
·Verizon Online DSL
·RoadRunner Cable
·MM INTERNET, INC.
| said by hescominsoon :said by elray :Except that your cell phone 911 will not work, and "the regular number" WILL NOT WORK when you have that life-threatening situation. I have the unfortunate opportunity to test these facilities more often than I'd like. Cell-phone 911 is not viable (yet). Dialing the PSAP directly is hit-n-miss, in other words, you can literally "die trying". Are you willing risk your life for $17 a month? (That's what we pay for Verizon POTS). typical fear mongering. I have nothing but cell phones and 911 has always worked just fine. I have had a couple of major accidents befall my family in the wintertime and the cell phone has always worked. I can tell you right now if there is a big enough calamity to take out all of the cell towers in my area the landlines are going to be gone as well(think katrina..landlines did you no good there..it was the HAM operators that saved the comm day there). No, real world experience. In Los Angeles, our police dispatch does not respond to cell phones well (911 doesn't route consistently, sometimes doesn't go through at all); the PSAP doesn't answer when you dial direct, and the local precinct won't dispatch. Only 911 from a landline results in a response when you need it.
I'm not concerned about Katrina-like situations. If one isn't personally prepared for such, no 911 system is going to help you, nor are a group of ham operators.
I'm worried about preventable, recoverable, everyday life-threatening situations that actually happen - heart attack, stroke, shootings, stabbings, fires, burglaries, and assaults. It is not that other technologies can't be made 99% reliable, but they just aren't, so far. | |
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N3OGH
Bear patrol must be working like a charm
Premium
join:2003-11-11
Philly burbs
·Verizon Online DSL
| As a person who lives alone, and as a first responder, I would never recommend anyone relying solely on a cell phone or VoIP phone for summonsing emergency responders.
I had the unfortunate experience of dealing with Vonage's 911 a few years back. It was bad.
For $17/mo it IS worth it to have a POTS line.
And I know a lot of people say folks rely on 911 too much. That's just bullshit. You tell me that when you've nicked a femoral artery while using power tools, and you're bleeding like a damn stuck pig.
I'm usually the first person on scene for the medical calls in my town when I'm working (we beat the medics routinely) and I can't tell you the number of people that have saved their own lives due to a 911 call.
Best $17/mo I spend IMHO...
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| | | | | | | | | | | lucky178
join:2000-11-06
Coshocton, OH
·AT&T Midwest
| unfortunately i have to agree magic jack is horrid i have not been able to use it for 2 months now. when it worked service was very iffy, it would disconnect for no reason or not receive inbound calls. when I plug magic jack in, my computers will no longer recognize it. i tried magic jack tech support and they had me download several "fixes" and it still cannot be recognized by my computers. i have vista and xp. | |
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mod_wastrel
join:2008-03-28
·magicjack.com
| said by ITALIAN926 :Majic jack sucks, are you serious? The most unreliable phone service on the entire planet. Works fine for me (which, of course, says nothing about how well it works, or doesn't, for someone else--not everyone has a good enough setup for VoIP even if they're using an ATA). And I certainly didn't get broadband so as to support VoIP, so the cost of broadband doesn't even factor into it (unlike when I had DSL and needed to have that landline, but still had VoIP, too). | |
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tshirt
Premium,MVM
join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
·Comcast
| said by aaronwt :I have MagicJAck and pay $20 for the entire year. It sounds just like when I had my landline with FIOS only I'm saving almost $500 a year. Plus no taxes.
Well, sort of.
with magicJack, you are are paying your BroadBand provider (Verizon, in your case) for the access point.
I'm sure all the telco's would be much cheaper in the voice market, if they didn't have the huge overhead of maintaining a local/long distance network (local termanation for non-customer calls are a particularly big drain).
As the telco's transition to pure IP voice service, I think you'll see the Broadband price rise to cover the network cost, and voice service drop closer to full service VoIP providers (vonage, etc.) | |
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aaronwt
Premium
join:2004-11-07
Woodbridge, VA
·Verizon FIOS
·Comcast
·Verizon Online DSL
| Re: Why would I pay $45? said by tshirt :said by aaronwt :I have MagicJAck and pay $20 for the entire year. It sounds just like when I had my landline with FIOS only I'm saving almost $500 a year. Plus no taxes. Well, sort of. with magicJack, you are are paying your BroadBand provider (Verizon, in your case) for the access point. I'm sure all the telco's would be much cheaper in the voice market, if they didn't have the huge overhead of maintaining a local/long distance network (local termanation for non-customer calls are a particularly big drain). As the telco's transition to pure IP voice service, I think you'll see the Broadband price rise to cover the network cost, and voice service drop closer to full service VoIP providers (vonage, etc.) I am paying FIOS anyway for my 50/20 connection. Even when I had my landline I had the 30/5 first and then the 50/20 INternet. So I'm not paying any extra for that. | |
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ME
join:2003-10-15
Toledo, OH | You'll only see HSI prices raise from the Telcos if they change to pure IP for everything. Cable rates will stay the same if not become cheaper. | |
| | | battleop
join:2005-09-28
00000 | Thanks for encouraging the 4 minute commercials they run. I don't care if it's the best service ever, I will never give them a dime. | |
| | | | | | | | | battleop
join:2005-09-28
00000 | Re: Why would I pay $45? I've seen them run one with a guy that looks like a stereotypical used car sales man on QVC. They have a count down timer and number sold graphic running. They run them like mini infomercials that run during a commercial break. | |
| | | | | | iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Fredericksburg, TX
·Comcast
·Qwest.net
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| Re: Why would I pay $45? I'm cell-only, plus MagicJack. For long conversations, I pick up the phone and make a MJ call. MJ actually is more reliable than my cell; here in Colorado I sometimes have to place a call twice...first one's a fast budy. Other than that, the cellular service is crystal clear.
MagicJack? As long as my internet isn't wonky, it's crystal clear too, and unlimited.
Just because I'm paying less per year for my RJ-11 phone service than anyone else is no cause for strife. No, I don't count my broadband bill into the mix because I use that connection for other stuff.
Yes, I can get a landline, but what would I use it for? 99.9% of calls I make are long-distance from here, and even a basic line would cost me $20+ per month. Plus long distance. No thanks.
YMMV, yes But cellular plus VoIP has proved quite reliable for me. If you think MagicJack should die and everyone should move to VoIP provided by the people who run your internet cables, be my guest...but I'd like $40 per month from you to cover Comcast Digital Voice.
When the price differential is that big, whaddya gonna do?
Still, MagicJack isn't for everyone. I'd be hesitant to run a high-volume business line over the service, and they don't have local numbers everywhere. Then again, only cable and telco VoIP have local numbers back home, as far as oIP stuff goes anyway. So, realistically, I' pay $30/month for unlimited, full-featured VoIP with a local number from my cable or telco provider. No added texas or fees. If they want a penny more of my money, I want crazy does-the-dishes-for-yu features. Got it? | |
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join:2005-09-28
00000
| Re: Why would I pay $45? I think you are not catching on as to why I wouldn't give magicjack a dime. It's the same reason that wouldn't buy Vince's ShamWOW or anything that Billy Maze peddles. I won't buy an x10 Camera or anything else from any one who runs an annoying commercial. | |
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mod_wastrel
join:2008-03-28 | Re: Why would I pay $45? ???... there are commercials that aren't annoying? | |
| | | | | | | | iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Fredericksburg, TX | I could care less about commercials. Don't have TV. But whatever floats your boat... | |
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join:2005-09-28
00000 | Re: Why would I pay $45? Uh yea... Shame on me for not having a DVR on every TV I own or might watch. | |
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Lee GWB
Yaco
Premium
join:2001-10-13
Allendale, NJ | Hi,
I just picked up MJ for a second line. So far so Good! I cannot believe the quality.
The funny thing about it is I did a search on the number and the ILEC is Cablevison/Lightpath. I cannot verify how accurate it is.
Lee | |
| | | | | fiberguy
My views are my own.
Premium
join:2005-05-20
| Re: Why would I pay $45? said by seaquake :$15 a month for unlimited local, long distance and other services and I'll be impressed. That's assuming the quality is there. I've heard my in-laws Charter VOIP and it sounds like 1960's mission control. Actually, I'm exaggerating. Charter didn't sound *that* good. I'd be impressed too,.. however, not ever likely to happen. Well, it COULD happen, BUT, expect the price of broadband to rise to compensate for it.
What people forget is that the companies aren't pricing the product, necessarily for the end-user alone. They have to sustain a certain about of income to *sustain* their entire business.
People think that if Voip ruled the world today that the providers could simply cut their incoming by about $25 per customer. (do the math to calculate the loss)
Now, back to reality. Even the HSI service has to travel over lines. Those lines are the same as what carried the POTS service. Those same lines still are subject to the same damage, wear and tear, change maintenance, etc. If your phone service goes down, then your HSI can still go down.
So, if the TRANSPORT METHOD changed to VoIP, how do you all suspect it's going to change the landscape of the.. well.. the network?
The only major change from analog to voip is that it's not all analog any more, rather, its data, and as we know both voice and data all travel down the same lines.
So, unless we move to an all wireless network in this country, which we have the option to - and don't - expect that prices will never drop to $15 a month. | |
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@charter.com
| I've had charter voip for about 3 years and I have to mute my tv because it is so clear. Your in-laws probably got some old wiring in their house have them plug directly into the EMTA and see if it isn't better. Also I'd recommend wire maintenance for them if they can't correctly re-wire the home. | |
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Elf Wizard
Premium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ
| however if you have something like MJ and your cable goes down, dont expect rush service just because it is also your phone line when you dont have their phone service. and i agree with their stance on how they handle that.
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| ITALIAN926
join:2003-08-16
Stratford, CT | Finally all the ducks are quacking together. This is Verizons way of getting their voice service on par with Cable co offerings. Doing this will get rid of the taxes and fee's landline customers have to unfairly pay when compared to cable. Great news. | |
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NOCMan
Verizon Fios User
Premium
join:2004-09-30
Flower Mound, TX
| If they went all ip voice They can significantly reduce their workforce. I hope those 5ESS tech's keep their training relevant because their entire VOIP operations would probably fit in 2-3 datacenters vs all those central offices.
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Lee GWB
Yaco
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join:2001-10-13
Allendale, NJ
·Verizon Online DSL
·Verizon FIOS
| Re: If they went all ip voice Hi,
Funny you mention that. Cousin (In law) retired here in NNJ and he had a get together with his old crew. Long story short they are closing a few garages in our area and they are a bit worried with the transition that is taking place.
You are correct, alot of new training or different training is only going to help the field techs out.
Lee
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| | fiberguy
My views are my own.
Premium
join:2005-05-20
| True, but you still have to have all those central offices in order to house the last mile data equipment, and you need a place for the wire network to terminate.. and, you need tech to maintain those lines.. and you need..
.. not much changes enough to really matter TOO much. This is really nothing more than going from analog cable to digital. You improve on some of the quality, and clarity, but you still have the network to maintain... just not as much. I don't think you're talking about much in the means of a work force to see a $20 or more reduction in the phone bill for the same services today. | |
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Lee GWB
Yaco
Premium
join:2001-10-13
Allendale, NJ | Re: If they went all ip voice Hi,
They already closed 2 Garage's in Bergen/Passaic county.I think more of a personnel reduction first.Along the lines of Retirement,Retraining,Realignment,then lastly Attrition.
Lee | |
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phoneboy3
@shawcable.net | All IP voice? What does the all IP voice statement mean. Are they talking about their network core? | |
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mod_wastrel
join:2008-03-28 | Not even close... I wouldn't get it at half that price--it's just phone service. All 3 phone services I have now (2 VoIP and 1 cell) cost me less than that for an entire year. | |
| pabster
join:2001-12-09
Waterloo, IA | Overpriced... But what can you expect from Ma Bell? Now they want to get rid of all that pesky circuit-switched voice and go 100% IP...great. But the problem is, they expect to get the same $$$ for it as traditional POTS services. Nope. | |
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Mactron
Happy 4th
Premium
join:2001-12-16
CM94sv
| FIOS in the entire foorprint?.. So how are they going to do this the areas that don't have nor probably will ever will have FIOS. The odds of FIOS here is pretty slim I'll bet. VOIP on copper ?.. Do it on DSL ? Still copper...
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If only the Verizon CSRs worked this well. | |
| | | benc
Premium
join:2007-06-17
Glen Carbon, IL | No More Landlines/POTS in a Verizon Area? Is that basically what this means?
I can't believe it. This is incredibly bad news.
The pricing isn't the best, but line power can't be beat. As far as I know, POTS is the only service that offers this. | |
| | VirtualLarry
Premium
join:2003-08-01 | Re: No More Landlines/POTS in a Verizon Area? Yeah. I know. How are we supposed to get out of the matrix, when the phone company cuts all of the hard lines? | |
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join:2002-01-17
Enola, PA
·Comcast
·Vonage
| are they nuts? $44.95 per month tells me that the verizon marketing spinmeisters are smoking crack cocaine. this is precisely the haughty attitude that convinced me to punt our verizon landline out the front door about 7 years ago. hence, in the last 7 years i have paid verizon exactly nothing. the odds of me paying them anything in the next decade or so are rather remote as well. nice going guys. great marketing job. | |
| jaw2012
join:2008-08-01
019405 | Tv? Any indication when their TV service will also be all IP? | |
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mod_wastrel
join:2008-03-28 | Re: Tv? As soon as multi-cast makes sense for IP? (So, probably never**.)
(**Never say never.  ) | |
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borredo
Premium
join:2004-03-29
Allentown, PA | Hurrah for Magic Jack I've been using it for over 3 months and it works flawlessly.
What is wrong with you people? | |
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clickwir
join:2001-06-21
Dickson City, PA
| Vonage Vonage. As VOIP gets more press, people are going to start seeing that companies like Vonage had it right and it really doesn't cost that much to make a phone call. $30/month after everything is a lot better than Verizon's starting rate of $45/month, plus fee for this charge for that and I'm sure that never ending "convenience fee" will show up too. Oh and they'll charge you for the convenience of letting you pay them. | |
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TDM_H8R
@buckeyecom.net
| Do away with TDM please! I hate TDM circuits with such a passion and relish the thought of a future with nothing but VoIP / SIP for voice service (I know this will eventually happen some day). Hopefully they'll trash their entire TDM infrastructure and go with a strictly ether + VoIP network... that would be glorious...
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InTheHills
@usps.gov |  Verizon Digital Voice for All
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| waiting4fios
join:2005-04-08
Howell, NJ
·Verizon FIOS
| Don't confuse all ip voice w/ Verizon Digital Voice These are two completely different changes. The all IP voice will apply to the entire network backbone, where Verizon will eliminate ciruit switches for connecting your calls between central offices. In essence your POTS as you have it today will not change the equipment in your home, but once it hits the local CO, from there Verizon will convert it to all IP to router your calls, this is also known as packet switching. You can do a simple search online for the difference between packet-switched and circuit-switched. The Verizon Digital Voice is separate as this will be a service dependent upon a customer to get FiOS from Verizon and will include features available to VOIP that aren't extensively available for POTS. | |
| | tmc8080
join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY
| Re: Don't confuse all ip voice w/ Verizon Digital Voice said by waiting4fios :These are two completely different changes. The all IP voice will apply to the entire network backbone, where Verizon will eliminate ciruit switches for connecting your calls between central offices. In essence your POTS as you have it today will not change the equipment in your home, but once it hits the local CO, from there Verizon will convert it to all IP to router your calls, this is also known as packet switching. You can do a simple search online for the difference between packet-switched and circuit-switched. The Verizon Digital Voice is separate as this will be a service dependent upon a customer to get FiOS from Verizon and will include features available to VOIP that aren't extensively available for POTS. Mostly right.. but I can foresee a day that some legacy DSL lines will do DSL & Voip within the same modem (to milk the last of legacy copper). This just saves them millions on maintaining legacy infrastructure.. they may even be able to consolidate some central offices... or some central offices can serve more lines by using IP routing of calls. All the more incentive to be able to put those dollars to work upgrading last mile FIOS. So, we can probably see a pivoting of those cost savings into FIOS deployments sometime this year. You can also begin looking for places where they actually pull copper lines down from the poles & underground routes.
**That will just leave qwest and at&t's bellsouth footprint with a majority circuit switched network, though AT&T is committed to IP overhaul just taking it piecemeal.. and will let more legacy equipment whither on the vine a bit more than Verizon. Most of the equipment already began interoperating with IP as far back as the 1990s to terminate voip calls. | |
| voipdabbler
join:2006-04-27
Kalispell, MT
| Time for federal regulators to consider the big picture. I use VOIP and don't see myself going back to POTS (I'm now in an area that doesn't have great cellular coverage so cellular only is not an option for me). That said, however, I have major concerns about a baby bell being allowed to dump switched circuits and moving all communications to VOIP. Clearly, nationwide VOIP is not going to be feasible until there's nationwide broadband (everywhere, not just cities and their suburbs). But the bigger issue raised in allowing the baby bells to move to all VOIP is the national security aspects of moving our nationwide civilian communication system to the Internet, which is so easily attacked remotely by foreign enemies. (If you think I'm exaggerating, do some Google searches about remote attacks directed against US utilities via the Internet last year.) Policy makers really need to address the big picture issue--the national security aspects of this proposed move by the baby bells. | |
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datguy7
@verizon.net
| 911 the real difference You are having a heart attack,you pick up the phone and dial 911, then you drop the phone before you are able so speak.. then what happens??
POTS: An automatic dispatch of someone to your home-no doubt about it.. every 911 call with no response gets a dispatch.. PERIOD and with POTS your home phone has a physical address associated with it.. Heck the entire E911 system is built around the traditional phone network
Voip/Cable Phone : does 911 get your location? Maybe ,maybe not
Cell Phone: Doubt it, theyre not going to canvass a 3 block area and ring doorbells
Majic Jack: Flip a coin cause its no better the VOIP
Google some 911 voip stories,you will see people have DIED because 911 didnt work for them. | |
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Verizon: All IP Voice In 7 Years
