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Verizon Begins 2013 With 473 LTE Markets
Will Be in All 3G (EVDO) Markets By Mid Year
by Karl Bode 08:33AM Thursday Jan 10 2013
Speaking at CES this week, Verizon stated they began this new year with 473 LTE markets, covering 273.5 million potential customers. Verizon's LTE network currently covers close to 89% of their United States wireless footprint, and by the middle of the year LTE will be available in every market currently seeing 3G (EVDO) service. "Using LTE...we'd love to broadcast the Super Bowl in the 2014 time frame," CEO Lowell McAdam said at CES. Verizon has previously stated their goal is to sunset their current 2G/3G networks by 2021. The company's next big noticeable step will be to deploy voice over LTE (VoLTE) in 2014.

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JigglyWiggly

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meanwhile at att

meanwhile at ATT...
no LTE in Fresno or Merced

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Re: meanwhile at att

In most cases, 3G HSDPA+ gets the job done.

It has the same bandwidth capabilities of LTE, granted LTE has lower latency but you can deal with that. But there's another big plus that HSDPA+ has over LTE... no battery draining side effect.
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Re: meanwhile at att

said by trparky:

In most cases, 3G HSDPA+ gets the job done.

It has the same bandwidth capabilities of LTE, granted LTE has lower latency but you can deal with that. But there's another big plus that HSDPA+ has over LTE... no battery draining side effect.

At&t calls HSDPA+ 4G not 3G. So right there they are being deceitful.

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Re: meanwhile at att

Stop belaboring a 2 year old issue, the ITU redefined 4G to include WiMax, HSPA+ and LTE and in real world use, HSPA+ can provide speeds that are close to LTE, just look at T-mobile data speeds, and it consistently outperforms WiMax, which was the first 4G

Technically speaking none of those meet the original definition of 4G, which only LTE-advanced meets.
BiggA

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Re: meanwhile at att

That's all good and dandy if you, say, roll out HSPA+42, not HSPA+14.4 like AT&T uses...

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You mean hsdpa can do 30/12 like Verizon has done here for over a year?

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Re: meanwhile at att

I switched from Verizon LTE to T-mobile HSPA+ and I usually get between 6 - 16mbps and I'm only in a HSPA+ 21 area, users in HSPA+ 42 areas frequently see speed over 20mbps.

Even in my case, in real world usage, I never notice the difference, even for the time I had the two running side by side.

The only exception might be for very large downloads, the additional speed would help you there. But I myself connect to wifi when I have a very large download, I did that even with Verizon LTE because I didn't want to waste my precious data allotment.

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Re: meanwhile at att

Verizon 4G LTE was fast when it was first introduced in my area. I'd see speeds upwards of 15 Mbps. Now that more people are using it I barely see 6 Mbps on LTE, most of the time I see only 4 Mbps but even that's a stretch. YouTube plays video with constant buffering, I can't get through a single video without buffering at least four times during playback.

Verizon has been seriously neglecting their network in my area. Worst of it all, they don't seem to care.

Dropped calls, slow data. They don't care.
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Re: meanwhile at att

I'll be seriously looking at either AT&T or T-Mobile when my contract is up in mid-2013.

Does anyone know how roaming works with T-Mobile and AT&T?

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Re: meanwhile at att

roaming on AT&T in most areas is not usually needed , because of the size of their network. But in places they lack coverage you can generally roam to another GSM carrier and use is counted just like regular usage on AT&T

T-mobile roams a lot and doesn't have the comprehensive coverage AT&T does, but in some areas coverage can be very good, I use it myself. They have limits on data roaming with vary depending on your plan. Much of T-mobile's roaming is 2G only or throttled to 2G speeds.

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Re: meanwhile at att

Does anyone have any accurate coverage maps for Cleveland, Ohio?

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Re: meanwhile at att

Accurate coverage maps? do they exist ? no coverage map is completely accurate

The site root metrics has fairly good crowd sourced coverage , signal and data speed maps. They aren't 100% but they can give you an idea.

The carrier coverage maps , while far from perfect will give you an idea.

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said by Metatron2008:

You mean hsdpa can do 30/12 like Verizon has done here for over a year?

Maybe not 12 up, but i've certainly seen 28/5 with 48ms pings on T-Mobile's HSPA+

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Re: meanwhile at att

You've seen? I've seen 60/20. 30/12 is the USUAL for lte.

Now, I have seen it at 12/4 and even 4/1, but those are really rare here..

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Re: meanwhile at att

said by Metatron2008:

You've seen? I've seen 60/20. 30/12 is the USUAL for lte.

Now, I have seen it at 12/4 and even 4/1, but those are really rare here..

30/12 isn't the usual everywhere either. In fact, according to most reports over at howardforums (the largest forum dedicated to those interested in cell networks) - in most urban areas Verizon's LTE network has dropped right into their stated goals of 5-12mbps.
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next big noticeable step

Actually they will be rolling out LTE over 1700/2100 MHz later this year. I call that a big noticeable step before VoLTE in 2014.
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Re: next big noticeable step

Particularly since their 700MHz network is starting to creak under the load of 50% of their data traffic, at least in some areas.

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Re: next big noticeable step

said by iansltx:

Particularly since their 700MHz network is starting to creak under the load of 50% of their data traffic, at least in some areas.

How can that be? Karl and others here clearly state that spectrum shortages are a lie. /sarcasm

Anyway yeah that's why they plan on doing 1700/2100 in those markets. Of course you need devices that can actually take advantage of those frequencies. Also getting people off of unlimited will help.
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Re: next big noticeable step

Splitting cells would fix the problem too. But that's more expensive.

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You know...

At this point, I'd rather go back to 3G/HSDPA+ with either AT&T or T-Mobile and drop Verizon since 4G LTE is one hell of a battery hog at this moment.

Most of the phones contain first or second generation LTE modem chips which drains your phone's battery like nothing I've ever seen before.

And besides, I live in a market that's supposedly all upgraded and that according to Verizon, I should have 4G LTE everywhere. Not so. I've been into areas of my market that are quite affluent and where the people have money. 4G LTE coverage? Nope, only 3G.

And 3G is next to useless, speeds such. I drop calls all the time. I practically have to stand on one foot and whistle Dixie for a call to not drop. Verizon of course tells me that I live in a "marginal signal area" and that to correct it I have to buy some $100 box I have to connect to my Internet connection.

So wait a moment... I have to buy something to correct a problem with YOUR network? Sorry, that doesn't work with me.
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Re: You know...

I haven't seen the battery draining issues with my Samsung Galaxy Nexus. Perhaps the newer radio firmware addressed the problem, but my phone drains at about 1% to 1.5% per hour (according to BetterBatteryStats) when it's idle on LTE.

The real battery hog with this phone is when it's in a 3G-only, or worse, fringe LTE area where it flips back and forth. If I neglect to disable LTE when I'm in a 3G only area it will completely drain the battery in a matter of hours. I presume that's the phone trying to find an LTE signal over and over, rather than backing off when it can't locate one. Of course, the flipside to that is it almost instantly picks up LTE when I enter a coverage area.

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Re: You know...

said by Crookshanks:

The real battery hog with this phone is when it's in a 3G-only, or worse, fringe LTE area where it flips back and forth. If I neglect to disable LTE when I'm in a 3G only area it will completely drain the battery in a matter of hours.

That must be my problem. My Galaxy Nexus phone can drain the battery in no time at all on 4G LTE. I can watch the percentage drop by a digit every five minutes on LTE. Must be because I live in a "marginal signal area" according to Verizon.
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Re: You know...

Disable LTE and let it idle on 3G. Not much else you can do about it. They don't promise coverage everywhere, at least they're being upfront with you about your particular location.

You can find used Network Extenders on eBay for <$100. That's what I did to deal with the black hole (no carrier has coverage) called my hometown. It sucks, but we're in the middle of a valley shaped like a soup bowl, alongside about a dozen other households, so it really wouldn't pay for any carrier to erect a tower just to cover us.

Also, check out the BetterBatteryStats app, specifically use it to look at partial wakelocks. It's entirely possible that you have apps running in the background that are killing your battery. I found a few that were hurting me, most I could keep by tweaking settings, but I uninstalled a few that couldn't be fixed.

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I did exactly that, I went to prepaid, both to save money and because Verizon phones get extremely slow updates and bad battery life and as long as their phones have to have CDMA and LTE on at all times, for voice their battery life will in general not be as good as GSM carriers.

For myself I can't complain about coverage it's better than anything around here , I won't even consider Verizon until they release LTE only phones with newer chipsets and VoLTE.
But even then I don't think I'll want to start paying double for my wireless plan again.

AT&T's coverage is pretty much the same as Verizon's around here, except we have no LTE and T-mobile's coverage while not as comprehensive is very good.

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Re: You know...

said by MovieLover76:

For myself I can't complain about coverage it's better than anything around here , I won't even consider Verizon until they release LTE only phones with newer chipsets and VoLTE. But even then I don't think I'll want to start paying double for my wireless plan again.

A LTE only phone would mean you couldn't call anyone as calls currently go over 1X. You know you can always turn of the 4G.

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Re: You know...

That's what VoLTE is for, Voice over LTE.
It will slowly replace the older cdma network, and Verizon's timetable to deploy it is sometime in 2014. I don't plan on going back to Verizon any time soon, I did state until they release, which implies in the future. not the current state.

LTE only phones will eventually come to Verizon, that's why they are covering 100% of their 3G footprint with LTE, becuase CDMA and LTE together is really a cobbed together mess technically.

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Re: You know...

said by MovieLover76:

That's what VoLTE is for, Voice over LTE.
It will slowly replace the older cdma network, and Verizon's timetable to deploy it is sometime in 2014. I don't plan on going back to Verizon any time soon, I did state until they release, which implies in the future. not the current state.

LTE only phones will eventually come to Verizon, that's why they are covering 100% of their 3G footprint with LTE, becuase CDMA and LTE together is really a cobbed together mess technically.

Verizon has stated they will refarm their 1X and 3G for LTE by 2021. Now could they do it sooner sure. If not I guess Verizon will see you in 8 years.

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said by trparky:

At this point, I'd rather go back to 3G/HSDPA+ with either AT&T or T-Mobile and drop Verizon since 4G LTE is one hell of a battery hog at this moment.

If one is to believe at&t they should have most of their areas covered with LTE within the next year.

Most of the phones contain first or second generation LTE modem chips which drains your phone's battery like nothing I've ever seen before.

I don't have such issue on my LG Lucid which isn't exactly high end. Also if you're not using data then turn off the 4G.

And besides, I live in a market that's supposedly all upgraded and that according to Verizon, I should have 4G LTE everywhere. Not so. I've been into areas of my market that are quite affluent and where the people have money. 4G LTE coverage? Nope, only 3G.

Actually Verizon says it will have it's entire 3G footprint covered with 4G by the end of 2013. All MARKETS will have some 4G by mid 2013. My area has 4G, but not every TOWER in my area has 4G. Bit a difference.

Also coverage is not guaranteed indoors and the coverage maps can not take into account things like building and trees that may block a signal.

And 3G is next to useless, speeds such. I drop calls all the time.

3G is for data. Calls go out over 1X.
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We've had Verizon LTE for awhile in Tucson but...

In the last month or two the coverage has really sucked. Drops to 3G frequently, or coverage dies completely. Its not just my phone either I asked our Helpdesk at work and lots of employees have been reporting it through out the city.
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Re: We've had Verizon LTE for awhile in Tucson but...

Mine is rock-solid in Wilkes Barre PA, will only drop back to 3G if I'm indoors somewhere with marginal signal, and in those instances 3G doesn't exactly well work either. Nothing VZW can do about construction materials that attenuate their signal...

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Re: We've had Verizon LTE for awhile in Tucson but...

said by Crookshanks:

Nothing VZW can do about construction materials that attenuate their signal...

People seems to think so. They think mobile communications work by magic or something.

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LTE

My experience with VZW LTE on my iPad has been nothing short of great. Works perfectly. Although I will say those few times when it does drop to 3G its a very noticable difference in terms of speeds.
GH

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Coverage maps

If you look at the current 4G coverage maps it sure seems like the have a lot of work to do in the next 6 months to get all the 3G updated to 4G
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bs

I call bs on this.. They upgraded the towers around me that I am actually getting service from to lte, yet my area which is currently serviced by 3g is only labeled in the extended area... As people have been experiencing with home fusion, extended area doesn't always mean your covered.. but, i'm gonna guess they are gonna blanket claim it all anyways.. Like ATT did with their coverage maps a while back...

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Re: bs

I think it's market coverage, every market has some coverage. they said they'd be filling in areas throughout 2013. So yea it's a big of snakeoil, but that's every carrier with market coverage claims.

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Re: bs

They have been clear. ALL markets will have some LTE by mid 2013. ALL 3G areas will have LTE coverage by the end of 2013. People can come back in a year and complain if it's an issue.