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| Re: Yay said by iLive4Fusion:Verizon, your so innovative with your "4G" technologies that our current HSPA+ technology is capable of and even faster in other countries. Oh wait, your just deploying this because EVDO is EOL. Where is our voice solution! I don't want just 4G data, I want 4G voice! PPU FTW I want to be able to receive all of my calls and when connected not have them drop unexpectedly. My wireless carrier should focus on this expectation first and 4g ambitions second... since as far as I'm aware, most people still use cell phones to hold phone conversations. So far, Verizon is able to do this while AT&T is not (this is true for the last 4 places I've lived, of course YMMV). | |
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| Re: Yay said by Tsume:said by iLive4Fusion:Verizon, your so innovative with your "4G" technologies that our current HSPA+ technology is capable of and even faster in other countries. Oh wait, your just deploying this because EVDO is EOL. Where is our voice solution! I don't want just 4G data, I want 4G voice! PPU FTW I want to be able to receive all of my calls and when connected not have them drop unexpectedly. My wireless carrier should focus on this expectation first and 4g ambitions second... since as far as I'm aware, most people still use cell phones to hold phone conversations. So far, Verizon is able to do this while AT&T is not (this is true for the last 4 places I've lived, of course YMMV). VZW is terrible in my market for voice with their new nasty half rate voice codec. Shockingly Sprint has the best overall call quality when you have signal. -- 2010 Ford Fusion Sport | |
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| Re: Yay said by en102:Isn't 'half rate codec' a GSM thing (AMR -HR/AMR-FR?) Sprint/VZW use an EVRC based codec, if I'm not mistaken. Its possible that in your area, VZW is overloaded. VZW uses EVRC-B which is a 4k vocoder, unfortunately even the big V has resorted to half rate in some markets. -- 2010 Ford Fusion Sport | |
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| VZW is also not that great here in the SE Denver metro area. I have AT&T on my Nexus One, and my friend has the HTC Hero (Droid Eris). In most places I get a stronger signal than he does. Examples are at my house, full signal from AT&T, he has 1/2 signal. His house I get 3 out of 4 bars, he gets 1. The local mall, I get 3 to 4 bars, he gets 1 to 3. The Parker Post office, I get 3, he gets 2. Both phones have a scale of 4 bars, 4 = full service.
I also seem to get faster speeds than he does.  Its pretty normal for me to get 2.2Mbps down and 1.25mbps up, if I am close to a tower I pretty consistently get 2.6+mbps down and 1.4+mbps up. On the other hand, he sees about 500-800kbps down and 150-300kbps up normally, but has peaked about 1.3mbps down and 350kbps up. But again, it all varies by market... | |
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 |  BF69Premium join:2004-07-28 Camden, TN | said by iLive4Fusion:Verizon, your so innovative with your "4G" technologies that our current HSPA+ technology is capable of and even faster in other countries. Oh wait, your just deploying this because EVDO is EOL. Where is our voice solution! I don't want just 4G data, I want 4G voice! PPU FTW Until at&t can provide 3G equal to Verizon's footprint at&t needs to STFU. Pretty sad the I can get 3G from Verizon but the nearest 3G from at&t is 50 miles away. | |
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| Re: Yay said by BF69:said by iLive4Fusion:Verizon, your so innovative with your "4G" technologies that our current HSPA+ technology is capable of and even faster in other countries. Oh wait, your just deploying this because EVDO is EOL. Where is our voice solution! I don't want just 4G data, I want 4G voice! PPU FTW Until at&t can provide 3G equal to Verizon's footprint at&t needs to STFU. Pretty sad the I can get 3G from Verizon but the nearest 3G from at&t is 50 miles away. Not going to lie, but they really haven't focused on rural area's before. Sorry your area's not served by 3G from AT&T, I live in a well populated metro area and we have all 4 carrier's with 3G and AT&T is the best. Technically though AT&T could claim EDGE is 3G even though it's slow as dirt.
Check out the AT&T 3G expansion plan for TN this year. It's pretty massive I must say, in AL I know they are upgrading 250 cell site's to have 3G and 75+ brand new sites in addition to those 250 so this year they are kicking it into gear. The speed's I am getting on 3G are higher than what a lot of people are getting on 4G. -- 2010 Ford Fusion Sport | |
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| Re: Yay said by iLive4Fusion:said by BF69:said by iLive4Fusion:Verizon, your so innovative with your "4G" technologies that our current HSPA+ technology is capable of and even faster in other countries. Oh wait, your just deploying this because EVDO is EOL. Where is our voice solution! I don't want just 4G data, I want 4G voice! PPU FTW Until at&t can provide 3G equal to Verizon's footprint at&t needs to STFU. Pretty sad the I can get 3G from Verizon but the nearest 3G from at&t is 50 miles away. Not going to lie, but they really haven't focused on rural area's before. Sorry your area's not served by 3G from AT&T, I live in a well populated metro area No coverage in rural areas? Looks like T-Mobile's not the only one. -- My Blog 2.0 | |
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| Re: Yay said by iLive4Fusion:said by Gbcue:No coverage in rural areas? Looks like T-Mobile's not the only one. I use rural loosely. The coverage is still substantially larger than T-Mobile's 3G. But 250+ Million people shouldn't be so shocking for AT&T, they have a lot of money and this is pretty much the first year they will use it. None of which is spent. -- My Blog 2.0 | |
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| Re: Yay said by Gbcue:said by iLive4Fusion:said by Gbcue:No coverage in rural areas? Looks like T-Mobile's not the only one. I use rural loosely. The coverage is still substantially larger than T-Mobile's 3G. But 250+ Million people shouldn't be so shocking for AT&T, they have a lot of money and this is pretty much the first year they will use it. None of which is spent. In good ole' AL it is

quote: AT&T* today unveiled its Alabama region wireless network investment plans for 2010, which include the addition of more than 75 new cell sites and the upgrade of more than 250 additional cell sites to 3G throughout the state.
The planned wireless network enhancement strategy is part of AT&T’s 2010 wireline and wireless capital investment, which is expected to be in the $18 billion to $19 billion range companywide, an increase of between 5 and 10 percent over 2009. This planned amount includes an increase of about $2 billion in capital expenditures for wireless and backhaul related to AT&T’s wireless network. This planned level of investment is framed by the expectation that regulatory and legislative decisions relating to the telecom sector will continue to be sensitive to investment.
“Investment in the state's broadband networks is critical to keeping Alabama competitive and providing our citizens with the best technology,” said Sen. Rodger Smitherman, President Pro Tempore Alabama State Senate. “Expanding and enhancing the mobile broadband network extends the benefits of broadband access to many consumers who are relying more and more on wireless technology to access the Internet."
Today’s announcement builds on AT&T’s 2009 wireless investment, during which it added nearly 30 new cell sites in Alabama and upgraded more than 60 existing sites to 3G. From 2007 through 2009, AT&T’s total capital investment in its Alabama wireless and wireline networks was nearly $1.2 billion. From 2007 through 2009, AT&T’s wireless network investment in Alabama was more than $150 million.
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| Re: Yay for a company flowing in money (ATT) you'd think they could at least match their GSM/UMTS competition, wouldn't ya?
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I was also able to sustain this, confirmed by stressing with multiple downloads at once. The bigger question is which carrier can sustain good performance with many users sharing same site. | |
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| Re: Yay said by xenophon:That is great for 3G but not quite as fast as I'm getting on Clearwire. And note better ping time...  I was also able to sustain this, confirmed by stressing with multiple downloads at once. The bigger question is which carrier can sustain good performance with many users sharing same site. Where Clear builds out, it'll definitely be them. They have over 100mhz just about everywhere. All dedicated to 4g. T-Mobile has about 20-30mhz dedicated to 3g (with the rest dedicated to 2g). -- "What makes us omniscient? Have we a record of omniscience? ...If we can't persuade nations with comparable values of the merit of our cause, we'd better reexamine our reasoning." -United States Secretary of Defense (1961-1968) Robert S. McNamara | |
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| Re: Yay said by bobgwen:said by Gbcue:No coverage in rural areas? Looks like T-Mobile's not the only one. I can see the cows across the street in the field grazing and I am in about a rural an area as you can get and I get great coverage from T-mobile. Whaddya mean about no coverage in rural areas???? I'm with you, tell that to the Apple & AT&T fanbois. -- My Blog 2.0 | |
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| I live in more of a rural area, then Bartow, I live in Polk City on Deen Still Road. I drive by and see nothing but cattle farms and our nearest cell phone tower is 4.45 miles .. The funny part is they are running Fios to the cell phone tower and not to the residents around there as well, they could double dip on their investment. | |
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| You said it yourself, "HSPA+ in other countries", which means you will not even see it because AT&T will jump to LTE (After VZW) before reaching those speeds.
EVDO is not EOL yet, there's more revisions that support higher data speeds and voice simultaneously.
But in the meantime, enjoy your spotty 3G coverage and your new 3G data caps since AT&T won't spend a dime to improve their network to support the demand. | |
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1 edit | Re: Yay said by glinc:You said it yourself, "HSPA+ in other countries", which means you will not even see it because AT&T will jump to LTE (After VZW) before reaching those speeds. EVDO is not EOL yet, there's more revisions that support higher data speeds and voice simultaneously. But in the meantime, enjoy your spotty 3G coverage and your new 3G data caps since AT&T won't spend a dime to improve their network to support the demand. Have you seen AT&T's 3G deployment pan in effect for this year? HSPA+ to reach 250+ million american's by then end of this year.
CDMA has had many higher revisions including EVDV and EVDO Rev.B but neither Sprint nor VZW want anything to do with that. Their primary focus is migrating to new network's.
I have fantastic 3G coverage with AT&T. I don't venture out into the rural neck of the wood's here in AL. By the end of the year though every major highway will be covered. Their "voice" network is already bigger than VZW's here. | |
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| Re: Yay said by iLive4Fusion:said by glinc:You said it yourself, "HSPA+ in other countries", which means you will not even see it because AT&T will jump to LTE (After VZW) before reaching those speeds. EVDO is not EOL yet, there's more revisions that support higher data speeds and voice simultaneously. But in the meantime, enjoy your spotty 3G coverage and your new 3G data caps since AT&T won't spend a dime to improve their network to support the demand. Have you seen AT&T's 3G deployment pan in effect for this year? HSPA+ to reach 250+ million american's by then end of this year. I find that number laughable.
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1 edit | Re: Yay said by iLive4Fusion:said by Phoenix2088:AT&T is a large employer in iLive4Fusion  's area. Bias may apply. I don't work for AT&T. I dislike them as a corporation and wouldn't work for them if it was the last job in Hoover. You dislike them so much that you use them as your avatar?
Also, Hoover, AL is just outside of Birmingham. Looks like you're covered by Sprint 3g, Verizon 3g, and T-Mobile 3g. -- "What makes us omniscient? Have we a record of omniscience? ...If we can't persuade nations with comparable values of the merit of our cause, we'd better reexamine our reasoning." -United States Secretary of Defense (1961-1968) Robert S. McNamara | |
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| Re: Yay said by tiger72:said by iLive4Fusion:said by Phoenix2088:AT&T is a large employer in iLive4Fusion  's area. Bias may apply. I don't work for AT&T. I dislike them as a corporation and wouldn't work for them if it was the last job in Hoover. You dislike them so much that you use them as your avatar?Also, Hoover, AL is just outside of Birmingham. Looks like you're covered by Sprint 3g, Verizon 3g, and T-Mobile 3g. Bolded for truth. -- My Blog 2.0 | |
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| said by tiger72:said by iLive4Fusion:said by Phoenix2088:AT&T is a large employer in iLive4Fusion  's area. Bias may apply. I don't work for AT&T. I dislike them as a corporation and wouldn't work for them if it was the last job in Hoover. You dislike them so much that you use them as your avatar? Also, Hoover, AL is just outside of Birmingham. Looks like you're covered by Sprint 3g, Verizon 3g, and T-Mobile 3g. T-Mobile SUCKS in Hoover, VZW your lucky to get 500kbps, and Sprint is decent at 1.5mbps. PS. Check West Jefferson, AL 35130 Thats where most of my time is spent, we just got a new AT&T 3G tower. -- 2010 Ford Fusion Sport | |
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The bigger challenge is having enough spectrum and backhaul to sustain high performance for potentially hundreds of users on one site.
I'm more interested in how much backhaul carriers will provide, than the technology at this point. Given that VZW will be selling buckets of data with no unlimited option, I wonder if they'll be skimping on backhaul.
Clear is apparently doing 30-40Mbps microwave backhaul and 100Mbps+ for landlind backhaul. Anyone know what the other carriers are doing?
Edit: Clear is using that much backhaul in newer rollout cities. Earlier cities have much less and they haven't started upgrading most of those yet. | |
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1 edit | Re: Yay said by xenophon:HSPA+ is a great way to get high performance out the door in the short term but it is also nearing EOL, of course not as quickly as EVDO. It still runs on an infrastructure designed for voice. 3G+ and 4G are crossing paths right now in terms of performance but 3G+ is at the tail end and 4G isn't seeing its potential yet. It's not about how fast it can go in ideal conditions, it's about how well they can sustain advertised performance for hundreds of users at once. The bigger challenge is having enough spectrum and backhaul to sustain high performance for potentially hundreds of users on one site. I'm more interested in how much backhaul carriers will provide, than the technology at this point. Given that VZW will be selling buckets of data with no unlimited option, I wonder if they'll be skimping on backhaul. Clear is apparently doing 30-40Mbps microwave backhaul and 100Mbps+ for landlind backhaul. Anyone know what the other carriers are doing? I am pretty sure they will be and the fact that it's Verizon. When Clear is deployed here, if it's decently fast (3-8mbps) and unlimited or at least a reasonable cap then I will get it for sure. 3G and 4G right now are about the same, but when Sprint/Clear get's their act together we should be in for a big treat because WiMax is so easy to deploy. They also have a BIG spectrum advantage. VZW's CDMA network right now is overtaxed big time in a lot of market's. Their LTE spectrum is good, but not enough to support heavy heavy data intensive user's which could be a big factor in their metered plan's. AT&T and VZW and Sprint in some area's are using fiber, AT&T is using major fiber in my area but who know's. I think they will run out of Spectrum before they run out of backhaul. Opposite for Sprint, I think they will run out of backhaul before they would ever run out of spectrum!
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LTE might be a bit premature right now but VZW has no choice. They have to do it right now or not keep up. I suppose they could tactically do EVDO RevB for a year or three, but it sounds like they decided to stick with LTE. Only 5 markets now and they plan to have 100m covered by end of year? They have the bucks to throw at it but that sounds pretty challenging. I suspect that 100m coverage was announced by the marketing department to show VZW will keep up, not the dept rolling it out. | |
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| Re: Yay said by xenophon:Given that HSPA+ is being deployed in existing 3G spectrum by Tmobile/ATT, is there enough spectrum left to sustain high performance for many users? I'd bet they'll deploy HSPA+ but not sell many devices with HSPA+ radios. LTE might be a bit premature right now but VZW has no choice. They have to do it right now or not keep up. I suppose they could tactically do EVDO RevB for a year or three, but it sounds like they decided to stick with LTE. Only 5 markets now and they plan to have 100m covered by end of year? They have the bucks to throw at it but that sounds pretty challenging. I suspect that 100m coverage was announced by the marketing department to show VZW will keep up, not the dept rolling it out. Well HSPA+ is backwards compatible so it mostly depend's on the number of data intensive user's per tower. T-Mobile has the advantage of having clean spectrum to use just for 3G. AT&T is playing the balancing game with their's, they are running GSM/EDGE and UMTS/HSPA in their 850/1900mhz spectrum's. Unfortunately that's where the cap's partially come into play. VZW could have done an HSPA+ overlay like in Canada, but arguably it would have been a waste of money. IMHO it would have saved them money to had deployed it 08-09 like Bell/Tellus partnered to do because it provide's a more seamless transition to LTE.
I guess we will see soon enough!!
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| Re: Yay T is NOT the fastest 3G provider. TMO is with their new HSPA+ network that they're rolling out. ATT is just claiming they're the fastest like they claim they cover 97% of the US on their network. When in fact a good share of that Orange map is stripped roaming. -- www.twopugsbrand.com Kosher, Vegan, and Organic Certified Dog and Cat treats/foods and other products! | |
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Only T-Mobile is offering 21MBit HDPDA+ connections, AT&T offer the same technology and caps it at 7.2 meg. In either case the companies do not have the backhaul required. | |
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| Re: Yay said by NOCMan:said by iLive4Fusion:Verizon, your so innovative with your "4G" technologies that our current HSPA+ technology is capable of and even faster in other countries. Oh wait, your just deploying this because EVDO is EOL. Where is our voice solution! I don't want just 4G data, I want 4G voice! PPU FTW Did it ever occur to you that HSPA+ tops out lower than LTE tops out, carriers are free to restrict the data rate as they see fit. Verizon has in the past brought up speeds when competition demands it. Only T-Mobile is offering 21MBit HDPDA+ connections, AT&T offer the same technology and caps it at 7.2 meg. In either case the companies do not have the backhaul required. They don't cap their connections, they don't have the technology deployed yet on their tower's. It's still in trial's. -- 2010 Ford Fusion Sport | |
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My laugh may be a bit premature. We've got a new WiMAX company nearby that is determined to make sure our house is covered. I have concerns about their speeds and am awaiting clarification, but they look like my next provider come August.
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»arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news···band.ars
So, what do I do? Great Lakes High Speed (the WiMAX company) wants a two-year contract. VZW keeps promising LTE sooner and sooner. My 2-year Alltel true unlimited aircard's contract expires the end of August. Do I take a chance and wait, going month-to-month with VZW and hope they don't cut me off, or go with WiMax?
At least I have a Plan B. Six months ago Plan B was no plan at all.  | |
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 |  |  | | Re: Fixed Wireless Same here. Right now I am month to month with Sprint Unlimited going over 5 gigs ever month just waiting to get kicked. LTE and Wimax are a long ways off for me.  | |
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 |  |  |  | | Re: Fixed Wireless Ouch, that's a tough one. Maybe Sprint is more interested in maintaining you as a paying customer than in dumping you? Aren't they still hurting for revenue?
I don't know if I'll get mercy from VZW. The WiMAX guys give a 30 day guarantee, so I'll maintain my aircard until I'm sure it's going to work. Heh, if it doesn't, I'll be in the boat with you.
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 |  |  PaladinSage of the light join:2001-08-17 Chester, IL | I'd go WiMax... chances are that your local carrier won't cap you like Verizon will. | |
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 | | 100 million covered next year, not end of this year VZW seems to be changing its tune saying they'll have 100 million coverage in 2011 instead of end of this year. In the past several months they were saying 100m coverage by end of this year. They still say 25-30 markets for this year but perhaps they will be smaller ones or less part of metros covered.
»www.glgroup.com/News/Sprint-HTC-···013.html | |
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 dvd536as Mr. Pink as they comePremium join:2001-04-27 Phoenix, AZ kudos:4 | Dumping unlimited? theres *NOTHING* on VZW that is truely unlimited. hint: 5gb/mo is *NOT* unlimited regardless of how much the average sub uses! -- The shortest distance between 2 points adds 1.5 stars to T. want $25? solve »coord.info/GC20A37 for me | |
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 |  glinc join:2009-04-07 New York, NY | Re: Dumping unlimited? Actually, Data plan on smartphone is unlimited on 3G. When 4G comes out, maybe will be different. | |
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 | | Clearwire 4G here today, truly unlimited Picked up a Clearwire fixed modem this weekend at RadioShack and dumped TWC 7Mbps cable...
Hope this can be sustained, otherwise back to TWC. Clear is using more backhaul in the newer rollout cities so crossing fingers this can be sustained with more subscribers...

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 MarkyDPremium join:2002-08-20 Oklahoma City, OK 1 edit | OKC I can confirm that OKC is one of these test markets. I met a Verizon regional bigwig at the corporate store weeks ago. He was showing the store manager his "4g card" in his laptop. he was surprisingly willing to share info. he said that OKC was chosen as a test market for several reasons....over 100mhz of spectrum holdings here thanks to Alltel's badass network that they acquired in OKC. Also, since Verizon is new to town, subscriber count compared to the other guys is very low, thus giving them a nice un-taxed network to test on. He told me a LOT of other stuff that he requested I not repeat, which I wont...but he did do a speedtest to the Dallas OOKLA server and got 11.2mbps down and 3.8 up. He said they have "a dozen or so" towers with live LTE radios, and are building out "at a breakneck pace." He said they have fiber backhaul to almost all their towers in the OKC metro now.
He says they're racing Sprint for a nov-dec 4g launch in this market. (WiMax is active on two sprint towers in the city, and they're aiming for a launch in the same timeframe here.) EDIT:
for what it's worth, verizon's 3g network here in OKC is just awesome. I get pretty consistent 2.5mbps down/1mbps speeds, even in my office building with one bar. | |
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 |  | | Re: OKC Will be really interesting to see how VZW prices LTE. Clear caps the upload speed to about 1Mbps so that you don't use it for unlimited major hosting. VZW probably won't cap upload since they plan to charge by buckets of bytes.
I'm also interested to see how 700Mhz does with LTE with significant distance as there is more interference. Better building penetration than 2.5Ghz but more interference when attempting high speeds.
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 |  |  MarkyDPremium join:2002-08-20 Oklahoma City, OK | Re: OKC indeed, good times indeed. OKC has always been behind the times with mobile tech, but we now have HSPA+ from T-Mo live and in service here, as well as both 4g techs in testing. -- MCSE, ACSA, and a lot more | |
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 Lamiel join:2008-04-05 Saint Johns, MI | 3G for phone calls I'd like to see Verizon offload all it's voice/cell service to the existing 3G network and reserve 4G for data. Like 3G isn't good enough for phone calls? Maybe if 4G were exclusively used for data, there wouldn't be any need for caps... -- Core2Quad Q9450 @ 3.4GHz, XFX 780i SLI mobo, 2x MSI 8800GT OC in SLI, 4GB Patriot Viper DDR2-1066, Samsung 20x optical, Samsung F1 750GB HDD, Antec TP3 650 watt PSU, CoolerMaster Centurion 5 case, Vista Home Premium 64 bit... | |
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 |  | | Re: 3G for phone calls Verizon's 3G network is on 1900MHz...you wouldn't want voice on that. I'm willing to bet they will do some sort of VOIP on their 700MHz LTE network. | |
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 |  |  PaladinSage of the light join:2001-08-17 Chester, IL | Re: 3G for phone calls They are supposedly using VoLTE, but the carrier version of that is drastically unbaked and probably won't be rolled out until 2012. Part of me thinks they should roll out HSPA plus with LTE and get some roamers along with the GSM phones other countries get right now and get HSPA+ up nationally then software upgrade to LTE. Simple, use AWS and Cellular to deploy HSPA, sell headsets on HSPA, begin retiring EV-DO spectrum. Boom transition problem solved. | |
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| said by Lamiel:I'd like to see Verizon offload all it's voice/cell service to the existing 3G network and reserve 4G for data. Like 3G isn't good enough for phone calls? Maybe if 4G were exclusively used for data, there wouldn't be any need for caps... That's precisely what they'll be doing. Thing is, it'll be more expensive for them to keep their aging CDMA network because it's spectrally inefficient (ie in the future they'll be able to make more money on the same spectrum), and hardware will be limited (the market for phones that support CDMA and LTE is limited to Verizon). -- "What makes us omniscient? Have we a record of omniscience? ...If we can't persuade nations with comparable values of the merit of our cause, we'd better reexamine our reasoning." -United States Secretary of Defense (1961-1968) Robert S. McNamara | |
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| Re: 3G for phone calls said by tiger72:said by Lamiel:I'd like to see Verizon offload all it's voice/cell service to the existing 3G network and reserve 4G for data. Like 3G isn't good enough for phone calls? Maybe if 4G were exclusively used for data, there wouldn't be any need for caps... That's precisely what they'll be doing. Thing is, it'll be more expensive for them to keep their aging CDMA network because it's spectrally inefficient (ie in the future they'll be able to make more money on the same spectrum), and hardware will be limited (the market for phones that support CDMA and LTE is limited to Verizon). It's not that inefficient with them slapping half rate vocoder's like they are starting to do with EVRC-B  -- 2010 Ford Fusion Sport | |
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