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·Verizon FiOS
| Bing Bin "Of course precisely what Verizon defines as a "multi-media phone" isn't clear."
Oh yes it is, any phone with a screen! 
Just like their mandatory data plan fee for any phone with key input! | |
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 |  |  ThrowDemsOutIf you can't convince 'em, confuse 'emPremium join:2002-03-03 Mullica Hill, NJ kudos:4 | Re: Bing Bin Looks like the multimedia phones are in a tier BELOW smartphones and ABOVE feature phones. But I'll be damned if I can tell what the major differences are between what they call multimedia phones and smartphones. Though they do list them as 2 different categories. | |
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 |  |  |  openbox9 join:2004-01-26 Alexandria, VA kudos:1 | Re: Bing Bin Agreed. It is somewhat confusing. Maybe VZW will eventually get to two tiers, "regular phones" and "devices requiring a data plan". | |
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 |  |  |  openbox9 join:2004-01-26 Alexandria, VA kudos:1 | Re: Bing Bin My DX does just fine...not sure what your point is. | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  openbox9 join:2004-01-26 Alexandria, VA kudos:1 | Re: Bing Bin That article isn't about a Droid. So what's your point again? | |
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You do realize that the article that we are posting to now is nullifying that article from yesterday that you posted a link to, do you not? | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  openbox9 join:2004-01-26 Alexandria, VA kudos:1 | Re: Bing Bin What is your point? This strengths/weaknesses of openness were discussed in yesterday's thread. | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | | please, all this shows is that bing is using antitrust.
remember, they're all "google is illegally using market influence", yet microsoft phones are locked to google. Are google phones locked to google?
no.
notice that. | |
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 jgkoltPremium join:2004-02-21 Lakewood, OH | all phones but feature phones so this will include all phones with true browsers. Sounds like the feature phones that have the wap2.0 browsers will not have bing, because there is no real reason too. Slightly missleading comments. | |
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 ropeguruPremium join:2001-01-25 Grafton, WV | Anyone think it interesting.... That Verizon is putting Bing (Microsoft) on Adndroid (Google) phones and not giving the option to remove it? I smell a antitrust suit coming naming Verizon and Microsoft as the defendants. | |
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 |  | | Re: Anyone think it interesting.... said by ropeguru:That Verizon is putting Bing (Microsoft) on Adndroid (Google) phones and not giving the option to remove it? I smell a antitrust suit coming naming Verizon and Microsoft as the defendants. They have been doing shady things for years without penalty. Yet the Verizon customers seem to think that its "ok" to give up consumer rights for "better signal". | |
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 |  |  ropeguruPremium join:2001-01-25 Grafton, WV | Re: Anyone think it interesting.... said by k1ll3rdr4g0n:said by ropeguru:That Verizon is putting Bing (Microsoft) on Adndroid (Google) phones and not giving the option to remove it? I smell a antitrust suit coming naming Verizon and Microsoft as the defendants. They have been doing shady things for years without penalty. Yet the Verizon customers seem to think that its "ok" to give up consumer rights for "better signal". Yeah, but customers are lazy and don't care. They will step on google's toes now who has money and does care. | |
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·Verizon FiOS
| Re: Anyone think it interesting.... I am a verizon customer. My wife wants a new phone and would like an iPhone or Android. For now, the iPhone is not an option (I use an AT&T phone for work and there is no way I am going to put up with the complaints if we switch). So, I am really annoyed that Verizon is loading software on the android and locking them to Bing. But, what can I do? They will not change a phone just for me and I need to get my wife a new phone. I really wish that the vertical integration of phones and service would be broken. The government should enforce that any phone can be used on any compatible network. Then, we would not have these annoyances - we would have other ones. | |
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 |  openbox9 join:2004-01-26 Alexandria, VA kudos:1 | said by ropeguru:I smell a antitrust suit coming No, because you can still utilize Google and other search engines all you want. | |
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 |  |  ropeguruPremium join:2001-01-25 Grafton, WV | Re: Anyone think it interesting.... said by openbox9:said by ropeguru:I smell a antitrust suit coming No, because you can still utilize Google and other search engines all you want. So what is the difference between that and the law suit over not being able to remove internet explorer? Or am I remembering that law suit incorrectly. | |
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 |  |  |  openbox9 join:2004-01-26 Alexandria, VA kudos:1 | Re: Anyone think it interesting.... In a nutshell, the US vs. MS lawsuit was about MS bundling its web browser with its OS and instilling restrictive licensing agreements with OEMs. It was ultimately settled with a wrist slap which changed little in the environment.
I view this differently than what MS likely did with VZ. First, I don't believe the restrictions are as dire as a lot of the media have made them out to be. Look around at some of the Fascinate owners. Second, MS doesn't own the whole platform as it did during the US vs. MS suit. Lastly, choices still exist as this device and/or agreement doesn't control a significant portion of the market. | |
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 |  |  |  |  BF69Premium join:2004-07-28 Camden, TN | Re: Anyone think it interesting.... said by openbox9:In a nutshell, the US vs. MS lawsuit was about MS bundling its web browser with its OS and instilling restrictive licensing agreements with OEMs. And this is different how? | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  BF69Premium join:2004-07-28 Camden, TN | Re: Anyone think it interesting.... said by openbox9:Read the rest of my post I did | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  openbox9 join:2004-01-26 Alexandria, VA kudos:1 | Re: Anyone think it interesting.... Then why are you asking me how this situation is different than the previous antitrust litigation against MS  | |
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 |  openbox9 join:2004-01-26 Alexandria, VA kudos:1 | said by TamaraB:To wipe the bloatware out and install a stock Android OS on VZ Smartphones? You can remove bloatware with root access. You won't be able to install stock Android on all devices. It depends on what the manufacturer does to lock down the device. | |
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 | | Sounds like they are keeping it off the Droids Sounds like they are positioning some androids as lower tiered smart phones, and will leave the Droid labelled ones alone. Sounds good to me, easy enough to stay away from those.
Interesting that they are positioning their Galaxy S that way though, as hardware wise, it is pretty much the top of the heap (minus the nasty gps issues). | |
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 | | Go ahead and try ... People already despise Verizon for overcharging on just about every aspect of service so they can not afford Go ahead and try placing Bing and BS VZ Navigation on my phone, I can tell you my 5 household Android phones are getting cancelled!
Since I already pay the highest rates in the country with Verizon, I have no issue paying full price for new phones and getting cheaper rates and more freedom with T-Mobile with no contract! | |
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 | | Uhhhhhhhhh....... Android is "open", but you can't remove apps/craps that Verizon bakes in??? I don't understand. | |
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 | | Bing is supposedly "cleaner" than Google when it comes to search results.
Anyone believes that? | |
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 |  Darkflight4G Stitch626 join:2001-03-03 Rowland Heights, CA | Re: Bing is supposedly "cleaner" than Google That goes as far as everyone trusting what Microsoft says is the best thing for you... Or that Apple never has an issue... | |
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 |  BF69Premium join:2004-07-28 Camden, TN | said by blguy07:when it comes to search results. Anyone believes that? I don't thinks so but it doesn't matter. Even if it could be proven than Bing is better, if I as the customer who is paying BIG money for a device and service should have the CHOICE of using the "crappier" search engine if I want. | |
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 |  Fluker join:2005-04-07 West Lafayette, IN | Well.. Google Maps blows Bing maps out of the water by a wide margin.
Comparisons like this:
»imgur.com/pXJAz.png
Show that Google maps are a huge winner. I think a lot of people consider that to be a big feature of a portable device. | |
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 |  |  marigoldsGainfully employed, finallyPremium,MVM join:2002-05-13 Saint Louis, MO kudos:1 | Re: Bing is supposedly "cleaner" than Google Google maps has some very serious accuracy issues since they dumped their 3rd party providers though. »www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2010/0···asadena/ | |
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 bnceo join:2007-10-11 Bel Air, MD | Point & Laugh @ Android Love the "openness" of Android. But if you really want openness, it's at Palm and WebOS. Where the company actually LIKES the homebrew community and doesn't try to clamp down on them. Where the patch makers and homebrew app devs are actually given a shoutout during big presentations ala CES.
Where even a CTO at HP (Palm's new owners) has overclocked the Palm Pre with utter ease while the Android crowd struggles to get root access on some phones.
So while Android might cry open, they really are not. Open enough for carriers to lock down whatever they want on their phone versions. Have fun with that.
Droid doesn't do homebrew easily. Droid can't multi-task like WebOS. Droid can't patch and later your OS in under 2 min. Droid doesn't have TouchStone charging. Droid just can't. | |
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