 | | Looks good I would take this over the IPhone any day, but what do i know i am a BB kinda guy. | |
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BTW this will be way better then the Iphone that's for sure | |
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| |  cbrigante2Cubs 20??Premium
join:2002-11-22
North Aurora, IL | Re: Looks good You know for a group of phone users that claim to hate the iPhone so much, you Blackberry users sure do talk about the iPhone a lot. | |
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| | | dagg
join:2001-03-25
Galt, CA | Re: Looks good said by cbrigante2:You know for a group of phone users that claim to hate the iPhone so much, you Blackberry users sure do talk about the iPhone a lot. ya.. i talk about treo's also... whats the point?
i have two BBs and i took an iphone for a spin.
you tryin to tell me that you have never talked about something that you didnt like before?
anyway... on to being on topic:
dont like touch screen phones which is why i have the curve. I wont be even checking this one out... | |
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| | | | cbrigante2Cubs 20??Premium
join:2002-11-22
North Aurora, IL | Re: Looks good said by dagg:said by cbrigante2:You know for a group of phone users that claim to hate the iPhone so much, you Blackberry users sure do talk about the iPhone a lot. ya.. i talk about treo's also... whats the point? i have two BBs and i took an iphone for a spin. you tryin to tell me that you have never talked about something that you didnt like before? anyway... on to being on topic: dont like touch screen phones which is why i have the curve. I wont be even checking this one out... I guess you made my point with the last part of your reply. It's about keeping to the topic. It seems EVERY phone story comes around to iPhone bashing or comparisons these days. Nothing in the initial story made any mention of the iPhone (or the Treo for that matter). Why don't you see users comparing this phone to that? | |
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| | |  kyler13Is your fiber grounded?
join:2006-12-12
Arnold, MD | Re: Looks good Not that it makes it better definitively, but the Storm will have support for microSDHC cards which means 16GB capacity (maybe 32GB down the road) not including the 1GB built-in. It also has a removable battery. Wifi is great and all, but free hotspots are limited, especially if you're NOT with AT&T (Starbucks charges). Given a data plan, I don't see why lack of wifi would be a deal breaker. The Storm will still garner more business users, and I imagine Verizon will pick up more consumers in another year or so when Apple's exclusive deal with AT&T expires. A CDMA iphone sounds nice! | |
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| | | |  ptrowskiGot Helix?Premium
join:2005-03-14
Putnam, CT
kudos:4
1 edit | Re: Looks good Speed and data caps are the main reason for wifi. On the iphone on 3g, I get about 800 kb to 1.1 mb downloads. When on wifi at home I get 4.2 mb. The other point is being on wifi you don't contribute to the data caps. | |
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| | | | | | | Re: Looks good What's the point of using the phone at home for the net when you have a PC
/awe shyt never mind I would do the same thing | |
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| | | | | | ptrowskiGot Helix?Premium
join:2005-03-14
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kudos:4 | Re: Looks good The biggest thing is not adding to my data caps from AT&T. Streaming video, music to the iphone is much faster over wifi obviously. | |
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| | | | tlcbob
join:2001-07-11
Harrisburg, PA | The Storm will come with an 8GB preinstalled courtesy of Verizon... | |
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| | | dvarona
join:1999-11-29
Richmond Hill, NY Reviews:
 ·Covad Communicat..
| For me:
- Has click response
- Not tied to AT&T, but to Verizon, which I prefer
- Open development platform, so I can write my own apps without paying a fee for the SDK
- Not locked to Steve Jobs' use-our-website-only lock-in
- Lack of fanboy "Apple is the Only K00l" hype
- Has Blackberry sensibilities and apps
The Storm is more than an iPhone clone, if you'd read up on it. It actually has distinctive features. All inventions are always borrowing design from someone else, so we could also easily claim that Apple borrowed their ideas from someone else too. | |
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| | | | | | Re: Looks good You do realize that the "click response" is nothing more than a vibration throughout the phone when you hit a key on the on-screen keyboard, right? Apple could easily add this feature into the OS if it wanted to but I think they already realized that 1) it wastes battery life and 2) it offers nothing in terms of a feature other than letting you know that you've hit a key. You still won't know WHAT key you hit unless you're looking at it.
I have no idea what you're referring to when you say "Not locked to Steve Jobs' use-our-website-only lock-in." Your comment about Apple fanboys is also completely off topic and ridiculous.
The only valid point you made out of all of your bulleted items was that it was tied to AT&T (currently) and not Verizon. For me, AT&T's coverage has been MUCH better than Verizon's in my area. With Verizon, I could never maintain a signal on the first floor of my house. With the iPhone and AT&T, I can actually have conversations. | |
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| | | | | | | Re: Looks good actually it isn't. It is NOT the haptics feedback you are talking about. You need to do a bit of research before mouthing off. So as such:
"1) it wastes battery life"
No it doesn't as it's not a vibration form of haptics.
"2) it offers nothing in terms of a feature other than letting you know that you've hit a key."
What exactly does that mean? Your logic makes no sense. Nor does your sentence. What is it supposed to do? Feedback on whether you hit a key is EXACTLY the point, that's why many people prefer real buttons over touchscreens.
And just because you don't get his "Not locked to Steve Jobs' use-our-website-only lock-in." doesn't mean other people don't. I understand what he's talking about completely. | |
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 ·TekSavvy Cable
| said by iPhoneIsBetter :
You do realize that the "click response" is nothing more than a vibration throughout the phone when you hit a key on the on-screen keyboard, right?
Actually, you're the one that is horribly misinformed. The screen actually clicks, with key travel, because the screen is one big button. Several reviewers describe it as feeling like every button on the screen is a real hardware key. Apple most certainly couldn't add this with a software update, it would require a whole clicker mechanism to be added to the iPhone so the screen would have key travel.
I haven't used one myself so I don't know if it will be possible to type without looking. What I do know is that reviewers have said that the key travel gives touching keys a nice "bounce" that allows you to have a better rhythm and with that type faster. It also allows you to "hover" over things by touching but not clicking, giving a new way to interact with the device.
For the "use-our-website-only-lock-in" I believe the GP was referring to the fact that you have to jailbreak an iPhone to install apps other than those in the app store. As a result features like improved media players are disallowed (Apple has a lot of restrictions on what goes in the app store). This compares to BlackBerry where there are no restrictions on what apps you install, and there are media player apps out there that compete with the default. I think the default is the best on my BlackBerry Bold, but if I had a Curve I'd buy FlipSide.
There are of course other things too, like the fact you can tether a BlackBerry (and I don't need a special tethering plan to do it). There's the fact I can run apps in the background, so I'm constantly signed in to MSN and Google Talk. There's the fact that Apple's push technology for 3rd party apps still isn't ready yet (was supposed to be ready for the end of September), but BlackBerry web signals works great right now. There's the fact that the iPhone lacks a microSD card slot.
The iPhone probably has some advantages, but I've looked at both devices and made my decision. And I certainly don't think that those features make it simply another knock-off, but rather a superior device. RIM has been making BlackBerry's far longer than Apple has been making phones, if one's a knock-off it's Apple (though I believe neither is). And I say this as someone who isn't going to buy a BlackBerry Storm (though, full disclosure, I own a different BlackBerry).
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OwlSaverOwlSaverPremium
join:2005-01-30
Berwyn, PA Reviews:
 ·Verizon FiOS
| I will probaqbly get two My wife and I need new phones. I would like to get them before we go on vacation so I hope there is not too much of a backlog. Lack of WiFi will be an issue for me until they roll out those home micro towers (I can't recall the industry term for them). Coverage at my home is very poor. | |
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|  KarrideSlower Traffic Keep RightPremium
join:2000-04-17
Germantown, TN | Re: I will probaqbly get two Your thinking of a Femtocell | |
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| | OwlSaverOwlSaverPremium
join:2005-01-30
Berwyn, PA | Re: I will probaqbly get two Thanks, yes that is it. Getting old is such a bummer. I really need one of those Femtocells. Then, I will be able to drop my landline. | |
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| | iPhone more reliable than BlackBerry or Palm »www.pcadvisor.co.uk/news/index.c···D=106920
According to a survey of 15,000, year-old smartphones by the online warranty supplier in the US, iPhones have a malfunction rate of 5.6 percent after the first year, which was "significantly lower" than malfunction rate of 11.9 percent for BlackBerry handsets. Palm Treo users suffered the worst, with a malfunction rate of 16.2 percent. | |
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| | | Re: iPhone more reliable than BlackBerry or Palm Im a diehard iPhone user, and I can see that comparison is very skewed and misleading.
The iPhone is not a business phone, nor is its numbers anywhere near that of the blackberries inside corporate USA. I for one baby the hell out of my phone. If i had a BB, it could be putt through much worse, and still look better than iPhone. | |
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| | beaups
join:2003-08-11
Hilliard, OH | Re: iPhone more reliable than BlackBerry or Palm I think the iphone makes a great business phone. It's the first phone I've owned that was able to successfully connect to our Cisco VPN concentrator here at work. And I was able to pick up terminal emulation software (free) and get into all of our systems. And somehow, the exchange client is able to pull down HTML emails...something my WM phones have never been able to do (unless IT upgrades to newer exchange server). So while iPhone certainly does not have anywhere near the enterprise user-base that RIM does, it sure works well. | |
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| | |  MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | Re: iPhone more reliable than BlackBerry or Palm said by beaups:I think the iphone makes a great business phone. It's the first phone I've owned that was able to successfully connect to our Cisco VPN concentrator here at work. And I was able to pick up terminal emulation software (free) and get into all of our systems. And somehow, the exchange client is able to pull down HTML emails...something my WM phones have never been able to do (unless IT upgrades to newer exchange server). So while iPhone certainly does not have anywhere near the enterprise user-base that RIM does, it sure works well. If the iPhone can pull down HTML email, then any WM phone can. Apple just licensed the Activesync technology from Microsoft. The WM phones may have it turned off in the policy settings, something you can't do with the iPhone.
From a corporate standpoint, the BB and WM phones have a HUGE advantage over the iPhone, you can apply policies and remotely manage them. Until that functionality is there, you won't see them deployed widly like the WM or BB phones. | |
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| | | | ptrowskiGot Helix?Premium
join:2005-03-14
Putnam, CT
kudos:4 | Re: iPhone more reliable than BlackBerry or Palm I thought the can be remotely managed in a corporate environment. I could be wrong though. | |
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| | | | beaups
join:2003-08-11
Hilliard, OH | you are wrong on html email. WM can ONLY do it with exchange server 07 or later. Iphone does it with exchange 03 (which is what we use here).
Once the iphone is setup to sync with the exchange server they can also be remotely managed...although I'm not sure to what degree vs. WM/BB | |
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| | | | | ptrowskiGot Helix?Premium
join:2005-03-14
Putnam, CT
kudos:4 Reviews:
 ·VOIPo
| Re: iPhone more reliable than BlackBerry or Palm For me reading email on the iphone is much easier that on my BB Curve. Daily I receive status reports that are cut and pasted from Excel spreadsheets, and the Curve displayed them so they were unreadable. With the iPhone they come across just as they were sent. | |
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join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 |  VZW Trying to Move These
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| | | Re: VZW Trying to Move These I'm suprised VZW haven't tried with me. I've been off a contract since last year, and seeing the commercial last night, have now been hungering for the Storm. One problem I have is affordability with the plans they have  , unless I can get my job to help  .
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| | MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | Re: VZW Trying to Move These said by Boricua65:I'm suprised VZW haven't tried with me. I've been off a contract since last year, and seeing the commercial last night, have now been hungering for the Storm. One problem I have is affordability with the plans they have , unless I can get my job to help . Yeah, luckily for me my company already pays for a $45 data plan, plus a $15 tether plan, and I know we have a few extra BlackBerry Server licenses available for our BES server.
I'm still not sure if I'm going to get it yet or not though. The extra $50 credit offer expires on November 15th and I don't think I want to spend the money on it this month. | |
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|  N3OGHYo Soy Col. "Bat" GuanoPremium
join:2003-11-11
Philly burbs
kudos:1 | I'm not eligible for an upgrade until next May. By then, they should be easily obtainable, and they should have some of the kinks out of them.
Now, if Verizon was so inclined to entice me to upgrade early and opt into a new deal, I may have to bite. The Storm looks pretty cool, and most importantly for me, it's with Verizon....
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 PolarBear03The bear formerly known as aaron8301Premium
join:2005-01-03 | Hello T-mo! As soon as T-mo gets it with UMA, I'm sold! | |
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| | HSDPA Whats the big deal about no HSDPA? In the US it uses EVDO.
Doesn't it have HSPA for international roaming? | |
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|  SuperNet9Go Ninja,Go Ninja Go..Premium
join:2002-10-08
Harwood Heights, IL
kudos:4 | Re: HSDPA tri-band HSDPA?
Dosn't VZW use EVDO?
If it is anything like at&t 3G I don't want it | |
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| | HooperPremium
join:2001-10-22
Villanova, PA | Re: HSDPA It only has 2100 Mhz band support for 3G. So if you are in parts of the world that use 850/1900 3G, you will only get Edge.
Wonder what happens with Canada? I guess you will continue to roam on the CDMA carriers up there. Theoretically it could do Edge on Rogers though. | |
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| | | | The EVDO coverage is much better than ATT 3G.
I live in a town of 6k and we have VZ EVDO. | |
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MTUPremium
join:2005-02-15
San Luis Obispo, CA Reviews:
·AT&T Yahoo
| Storm Long-time VZN wireless customer, was interested in Storm.
Vodaphone (Europe's VZN) offers the Storm for "free" with 18 mo. contract, 1500 mins, unlimited text, unlimited mobile internet and Blackberry mail=$84.00 per mo. The same plan with 600 mins. = $61.00 per mo.
As mentioned U.S. folks are being allowed to pay $199 for the phone and a two-year contract, plus the contract will cost, according to one source, at a about $100 per mo. BB nationwide. Uncertain as to actual plan costs to make use of all Storm's features. | |
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 palbriPremium
join:2000-10-22
Bristol, VT | Perfect Timing! I am eligible for a new "Every Two Year" December 1st!
Perfect timing. Price is $199 less the $50 discount I hope to reap from the "Every 2 Year" trade-in equals $150 for me!?
Can't wait!
But, I see a new "email plan" is required, adding to monthly service rate.
If not this choice, then I will go with LG Dare which is kinda cool in its own right. | |
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|  NY TelPremium
join:2004-04-09
Smithtown, NY
kudos:3
·AT&T CallVantage
| Re: Perfect Timing! said by palbri:I am eligible for a new "Every Two Year" December 1st! Remember everyone, log into
»www.verizonwireless.com
and sign up if you have not already done so. There is a "meter" which will tell you when you can upgrade.
If you are nearing the end of your contract, at 20 months (not 24) you can use your NE2 credit.
Check it out and be part of the "Perfect Storm"......  | |
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| | Will try the storm, but I just bought a Bold but will test drive the Storm. I am afraid however the lack of WiFi will give Bold the win for now. I have a Verizon wireless card (love it), and while the coverage far exceeds AT&T's 3g, it doesn't work inside my house. Don't get much of a voice signal either, and I work from home. AT&T doesn't have 3G for miles, but WiFi and a good voice signal make that a moot point.
I love the Bold, but more screen real estate is attractive to my not so young eyes. | |
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| | Not impressed Sorry, but when every other major smart phone at the moment includes wifi, and this is supposed to revolutionize the Blackberry market... come on now. | |
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Lysis
join:2005-03-30
Brooklyn, NY | per month fee? how much per month?
i hear iphone starts at $90 per month?
i look for cheaper per month fees, don't care about initial cost of the phone | |
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 DeeCPremium
join:2000-09-01
the world
kudos:1 | Big Plus Over The iPhone is the microSD slot...... not need to buy a new phone for more memory.... and a replaceable battery. These definitely outweigh Wifi (IMHO).......
You are stuck with 8GB or 16GB with the iPhone and a non-replaceable battery......not so with the Storm. | |
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