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join:2002-08-21
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LiamJunket
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join:2002-03-03
Ocean City, NJ
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| said by plat2on1  :what year am i in? I agree. That is an important feature to not have. I can understand Verizon not wanting to heavily subsidize a phone with tri-band HSDPA because the user could then take that phone to AT&T or T-Mobile. But having WiFi turned off would make me go elsewhere or at the very least use a phone that has WiFi turned on.
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join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
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| Re: no wifi? said by LiamJunket :I agree. That is an important feature to not have. I can understand Verizon not wanting to heavily subsidize a phone with tri-band HSDPA because the user could then take that phone to AT&T or T-Mobile. But having WiFi turned off would make me go elsewhere or at the very least use a phone that has WiFi turned on. Oh please, Verizon has been known for crippling their phones for years. If they can't make money off a feature, they shut it off.
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Big Pete 82
@verizon.net | the year where verizon's 3g network covers 290 Million people (including the Alltel network) | |
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| Re: no wifi? almost-a-monopoly's are great huh? Get real.
Verizon is notorious for cutting features out of phones, this is no different. I guess the iPhone is more of a threat than they initially let on. I'm glad Verizon didn't get the iPhone when Apple first asked, otherwise, It would be just as crippled. As a matter of fact, Apple probably said NO to the crippling, which made Verizon move on, which is a good thing, no matter if they have 250M folks on their network or not. | |
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RailRoadDude
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join:2002-04-02
Redwood Valley, CA
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3 edits | said by Big Pete 82 :
the year where verizon's 3g network covers 290 Million people (including the Alltel network)
Yep, and the year where Verizon STILL has lousy coverage in a lot of this part of CA. While they do have automatic in-market roaming onto US Cellular to fill in the coverage gaps here, it's 1X only, no EVDO roaming with Verizon, and US Cellular is now turning on their EVDO. Verizon is all EVDO up here though, and in most of NorCal. | |
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aliasrlz
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| Those that *NEED* WiFi, go buy the iPhone, its that simple...
The Storm will be my 3rd Blackberry, and I don't give a rat's ass about WiFi, especially with 3G and global capabilities.
I also don't need the tethered modem support. The 5G limit is for that, not the basic unlimited data package (as a note, clarification for all). | |
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Smithtown, NY | This phone is hot And will help win back a lot of customers. | |
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join:2004-08-01
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| Re: This phone is hot said by NY Tel :And will help win back a lot of customers. The article says that too but I can't help but think. How are they going to do that when most signed a contract with AT&T? 
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Blairstown, NJ | what do you need to download on wifi.. that you cant download on 3g? | |
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LiamJunket
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join:2002-03-03
Ocean City, NJ
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| Re: what do you need to download on wifi.. said by waffleburger :what do you need to download on wifi..that you cant download on 3g? How about to avoid the 5GB caps many cellphone plans have. While on WiFi, you wouldn't be running up against your cap as quickly.
Also, you could then use the device in your house or at your job where cell signals often don't have good signal strength.
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Niarlan
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Manville, NJ | Re: what do you need to download on wifi.. With the built in memory, plus the included 8MB SD card....where are you putting that 5GB a month?...sheesh..email and browsing do that heavy a load?
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join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| Re: what do you need to download on wifi.. said by Niarlan :With the built in memory, plus the included 8MB SD card....where are you putting that 5GB a month?...sheesh..email and browsing do that heavy a load? Nia Um it's 8 GB SD card not 8 MB Einstien. | |
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TamaraB
Question The Current Paradigm
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join:2000-11-08
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| said by LiamJunket : ... Also, you could then use the device in your house or at your ... Indeed! I generally keep WiFi turned off on my iPhone, as 3g, at 600kbps+ is faster than my DSL (I live at an extreme distance from my CO). However, I sometimes use WiFi at home. I connect to my local net and can transfer files from my PC to and from my phone. Also, while rare, 3g has gone down in my area, and EDGE is slow. WiFi has added options which I would otherwise not have access to.
Also, it's wonderful to be jogging in the park, sit down for a rest, and connect to an open WiFi hotspot, which are numerous here. WiFi, while not strictly essential is something I would miss greatly at times.
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aliasrlz
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| said by LiamJunket :said by waffleburger :what do you need to download on wifi..that you cant download on 3g? How about to avoid the 5GB caps many cellphone plans have. While on WiFi, you wouldn't be running up against your cap as quickly. Also, you could then use the device in your house or at your job where cell signals often don't have good signal strength. Many have already clarified that 5GB limit is for tethered usage, not the basic "unlimted" data package, so I wish you guys would get a clue before saying there is a 5GB limit on the phone...... sheesh. | |
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dumwaldo
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join:2001-03-12
| said by waffleburger :that you cant download on 3g? Video Podcasts. I am finding more and more 100MB+ sized video podcasts. While you can download them on 3G it takes FOREVER while it takes just a few minutes with WiFi.
cranky geeks last show was 112.2 MB
MAKE magazine just had two episodes over 115 MB
The Wood Whisperer episodes are now hitting 200 MB
If you want to find out exactly how slow 3G speeds are then start downloading those.
How about the ability to get good data service in places that the coverage does not reach like inside heavy concrete buildings and such. Is that not worth consideration?
How about VOIP telephone service for traveling to foreign countries or simply conserving minutes. VOIP is still a whole lot cheaper than even a prepaid SIM in an unlocked phone.
You folks can defend the omission all you want but the fact of the matter is if they included WiFi and you didn't need it that is no big deal, just don't use it. But if you needed WiFi and they didn't include it then it is a problem.
I never thought I needed WiFi in my cell phone till I got a phone with WiFi and now there is no way I would ever buy a phone that does not have WiFi. It is not just speed, it is convenience.
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aliasrlz
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the world | Re: what do you need to download on wifi.. To each, his or her own. That is why we have choices. The people that NEED Wifi, go buy the iPhone. If you want same/similar features plus Blackberry benefits, can live without Wifi (like me), get the Storm. | |
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join:2002-07-13
Cincinnati, OH
| They're Kidding...Right? I'm sick of phone companies and carriers, banks, and all the rest hitting you up for things you should already have at the price you are already paying.
And by the way...Verizon has had a little deal with retailers to sign newbies using the retailer as co-signer. Newbie pays the bill and later finds out they're on the hook for more than just their phone when the co-signer leaves the contract and then Verizon goes after the newbie for all sorts of charges that the retailer used and postponed onto the newbies account. | |
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| Re: They're Kidding...Right? said by rolano :I'm sick of phone companies and carriers, banks, and all the rest hitting you up for things you should already have at the price you are already paying. And by the way...Verizon has had a little deal with retailers to sign newbies using the retailer as co-signer. Newbie pays the bill and later finds out they're on the hook for more than just their phone when the co-signer leaves the contract and then Verizon goes after the newbie for all sorts of charges that the retailer used and postponed onto the newbies account. What are you talking about? Are you ranting or can you cite chapter and verse of what you are alleging Verizon does?
Who is the "retailer" you are referring to?
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@comcast.net | Re: They're Kidding...Right? I have a data plan with my Treo on Verizon and i have unlimited KB Usage and texts. So where is this 5GB coming from?? | |
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Matamoras, PA
clubs: | Re: They're Kidding...Right? 5GB is referring to tethering usage. | |
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Lock Haven, PA | Greed Now they can charge you $39.95 for their wireless internet plan! | |
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wvcaver
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Millersburg, OH | NO WIFI ! So they can keep it !! | |
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aliasrlz
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join:2000-09-01
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| WiFi NOT Needed... For those yacking about limits on data (someone said 5GB), get the unlimited data package. And with 9GB of storage (1GB internal + 8GB microSD card), what do you need to download and store? It's a phone, not a laptop! 3G speed is a enough for the majority, otherwise the Blackberry brand wouldn't have made it this far....... | |
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stufried
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join:2003-10-13
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1 edit | Wi Fi Is Needed (As is HSDPA) Of the two, wifi is clearly the more important. There are still plenty of places in the US where there is no 3g and where wifi is a good fall back. The northern part of my state (Michigan) is a classic example. Then there are basements, warehouses, cruiseships, etc.
This year I was on two ferry crossings (one hour and four hours) where there was no cell coverage. Then there is roaming. Verizon certainly wants to make sure that no business person ever takes this phone to Korea or Japan.
Does this phone external memory? Can you buy/rent movies on it lie the iPhone. If you are renting movies, you can easily go through 5 gigs a month. Does Verizon want to open its network up for this extended traffic? | |
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join:2008-07-13
Seattle, WA | You Choose... Phone Manufactures should just make phones that work on all networks and then the customer can choose what network to go with. | |
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sapo
The Internet is Down
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join:2002-09-16
Sacramento, CA
| Re: You Choose... said by SHABAZZ :Phone Manufactures should just make phones that work on all networks and then the customer can choose what network to go with. Nice idea in theory but exclusiveness can lead many customers to your network, ala iphone. | |
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join:2003-10-13 | Re: Aimed at Business iPhone Converts I have a 3g plan (5 gigs in the US) and 20 megs outside the US. 20 megs is not very much. I supplement it with a subscription to Boingo Mobile which gives me wifi coverage in many of the world's airports and on many trains. | |
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| Re: Aimed at Business iPhone Converts said by stufried :I have a 3g plan (5 gigs in the US) and 20 megs outside the US. 20 megs is not very much. I supplement it with a subscription to Boingo Mobile which gives me wifi coverage in many of the world's airports and on many trains. Then buy a GSM phone which will get you better worldwide coverage. You are definitely in the minority. | |
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join:2003-10-13 | Re: Aimed at Business iPhone Converts I carry a Nokia E71 (quadband + HSDPA) & wifi. | |
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Round Lake, IL | VZW does HSDPA? I thought that in U.S. Verizon uses EVDO | |
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taar
join:2000-11-21
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| Clearly aimed at business users. Verizon must know something that we dont. The Storm is clearly aimed at the business user. The iphone on the other hand is not. These non business users seem to be the ones that Verizon has been losing to other networks where they can use the iphone. With no wifi and expected 5GB caps on their data plans, only business users who dont travel outside the US can find the storm interesting. This does not seem like the phone Verizon is hoping will lure non business users back. | |
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sapo
The Internet is Down
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join:2002-09-16
Sacramento, CA
| Re: Clearly aimed at business users. How is this "clearly" aimed at business users. It has extensive media options such as a nice camera with flash, high res screen, full video and music capabilities with tiltsensor, instant messaging capabilities, etc.
I honestly don't see your point of view here, Wifi? Seriously?
Verizon Marketing even has lots of iPhone talk in it and other consumer based talk.
»estore.vzwshop.com/storm/
Watch this video Verizon made. | |
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aliasrlz
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| said by taar :Verizon must know something that we dont. The Storm is clearly aimed at the business user. The iphone on the other hand is not. These non business users seem to be the ones that Verizon has been losing to other networks where they can use the iphone. With no wifi and expected 5GB caps on their data plans, only business users who dont travel outside the US can find the storm interesting. This does not seem like the phone Verizon is hoping will lure non business users back. Someone already clarified that the 5GB limit is for tethered usage....who the f connects that way? With a 3G worldwide network, who needs it? | |
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join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ | Typical Verizon wireless Take a kickass piece of equipment and cripple the hell out of it. yawn. why bother?
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join:2002-06-27
Las Vegas, NV
| It depends.. ..on what you use it for. I have a blackberry pearl at the moment (will be getting a storm when it comes out) and honestly, I've never missed wifi on my phone. I have a couple web pages I browse, I use AIM/MSN, go on IRC sometimes and I've never had any issues.
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join:2002-04-22
| Re: It depends.. What it bowls down to for me is this. I'm a Sprint User, I've had them all. ATT, Alltel, Verizon and even Nextel. Sprint has never let me down with high speed data coverage. I live in a rual area and still see 800k-1.2mb give or take. To even get 3G from the rest it's a 10 mile drive. | |
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1 edit | Just Wait You all know that this phone will launch on AT&T with tri-band HSPA and Wifi after Verizon's exclusive is up plus a few months. RIM does this with all their phones. | |
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| Re: Just Wait That will be nice. One thing that I noticed reading through the threads is the personal/business user dichotomy expressed above, e.g. "real business users don't watch movies on their PDA." My wife is on the road over 40 weeks a year and all around the world. When I suggested buying her an iPOD Touch, she said: "not another piece of electronics with another charger, etc." There is just so much room in a carry-on bag and only so many cables you want to cope with. The allure of the iPhone is that it combines your iPOD, Blackberrish device, and phone into one device. I won't push the camera part. Then there was the portable DVD player, etc.
Apple's brilliance was creating a working all in one device that does a pretty good job at all of the above. It is not a laptop subsitute, but it is a good travel buddy. Corporate travel involves sitting bored out of your mind in airport lounges, cookie cutter hotels, etc. Their need for an infotainment device is equal to that of a "personal user." | |
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aliasrlz
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| Re: Just Wait said by stufried :That will be nice. One thing that I noticed reading through the threads is the personal/business user dichotomy expressed above, e.g. "real business users don't watch movies on their PDA." My wife is on the road over 40 weeks a year and all around the world. When I suggested buying her an iPOD Touch, she said: "not another piece of electronics with another charger, etc." There is just so much room in a carry-on bag and only so many cables you want to cope with. The allure of the iPhone is that it combines your iPOD, Blackberrish device, and phone into one device. I won't push the camera part. Then there was the portable DVD player, etc. Apple's brilliance was creating a working all in one device that does a pretty good job at all of the above. It is not a laptop subsitute, but it is a good travel buddy. Corporate travel involves sitting bored out of your mind in airport lounges, cookie cutter hotels, etc. Their need for an infotainment device is equal to that of a "personal user." Then you & her should LOVE the STORM. It does movies and music, even syncs to iTunes and plays .aac files (normally exclusive to the iPhone and Apple products). I was shocked by this ...go look at the specs. It is basically an iPhone but with the power and security of a Blackberry..... Yes, no WIFI, but with 3G speeds and VZ network, I don't care about WIFI. | |
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| said by stufried :{snip}The allure of the iPhone is that it combines your iPOD, Blackberrish device, and phone into one device. I won't push the camera part. Then there was the portable DVD player, etc. Apple's brilliance was creating a working all in one device that does a pretty good job at all of the above. Actually Apple's brilliance was not in creating a device that does all of that well. In fact there are many other devices that have brought these features together long before even the first Iphone was released. In comparison, Apple did not do a very good job of it at all but the focused on two critically important aspect to american consumers.
#1 they made it EASY to use. not versatile, or powerful, but EASY above all else.
#2 they marketed the hell out of it and we all know if it is on a commercial on TV then we MUST have it.
For what it is worth, according to what I have been reading, Apple Iphone sales in the USA actually surpassed RIM in the 3rd quarter. But then again those numbers could be padded as it seems just about everyone with an Iphone has had it replaced at least once. (yes i know thats an exaggeration, I was just trying to make a point that I do not think Apple's figures are very trustworthy.)
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join:2000-10-28 | Blackberries Suck First person to release a $100 Android phone wins. Heck I'd even consider a $100 iPhone or usable WinCE phone.
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We're not in Kansas anymore
join:2002-11-13
Virginia Beach, VA | UMA? I would like to see UMA capability added. That would be an easy addition to Verizon's announced plans to add Femtocell capabilities.
T-Mobile already has a BB Curve with UMA available. | |
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| If You Need Wi-Fi Then . . . Your network has problems. For better or worse Verizon Wireless has fast speeds most places I go. The Storm is the first phone that might replace my 8830. The iPhone is not viable for a couple of reasons first is that the beautiful internet browser is useless unless YOU HAVE WI-FI. One of my friends at work has one of the first iPhones and he finally admitted it is a flawed product. Latest issue is flaky touchscreen. While I agree that Verizon Wireless has severe (possible criminal) issues such as the decision to screw up the GPS on the 8830 the majority of what they provide is very usable.
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| NO WIFI.............. is certainly a deal breaker for me. I wont have a phone w/o WiFi. VZW charges 45 a month for their data plan which is full rape IMO. That why I like a phone with WiFi. Everywhere I go someone or some company has WiFi. Thats why I bought my 6700 and thats why I have my 6800. Ill do the Diamond Pro if they keep the WiFi in it too. | |
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The Internet is Down
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Sacramento, CA | Re: NO WIFI.............. My VZ Data Plan is $30 but doesn't allow tethering. | |
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| Response I just picked up a LG Dare, if AT&T actually had good service in Chicago and Burbs I would have went to an iPhone instantly, but AT&T just can't seem to get good service in Northern Illinois and Northern Indiana.
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