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Verizon Bumps Max DSL Speeds To 15 Mbps
10-15 Mbps down, 1 Mbps up for $60 standalone, $50 voice bundled
After coming off of their worst quarter for DSL losses ever, Verizon last week started offering a new bundle targeting users that are still on dial-up. This week the company announced a significantly more compelling shift for their DSL business: they're now offering users within range a new speed tier that clocks in between 10 and 15 Mbps downstream and 1 Mbps upstream. Verizon tells Broadband Reports this is ADSL2+, and the service requires that users be at most 7,000 feet from the central office.

"The distance to get these speeds maxes out at about 7,000 feet," Verizon's Kevin Laverty tells us. According to Laverty, the new tier is available to about 4 million Verizon DSL subscribers. "We've invested tens of millions to upgrade central offices where ADSL 2 is currently available and expect to add more in the months ahead," he says. "Nationwide locations run the gamut from Barstow, CA in California's Mojave Desert to Lynchburg, VA."

Of course Verizon's "rewarding" those who bundle (or punishing those who don't, depending on your point of view), charging $50 a month for users that have Verizon phone service, or $60 for those without. The new tier isn't available yet on Verizon's website, but you'll notice that in response to recent FCC criticisms, Verizon has eliminated the "up to" marketing term, and instead is giving a general range of downstream speeds you can expect.

Verizon hopes that these faster speeds will keep customers in legacy DSL markets from defecting to faster cable speeds and VoIP triple play bundles. Of course this 10-15 Mbps upgrade comes too late for the millions of DSL customers in fourteen states that Verizon just offloaded to Frontier Communications.

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Expensive

Expensive is the 1st thought which comes to mind. But not everyone has options to go else where.

50 - 60.00 for only 15MB / 1MB is a bit costly in my opinion.

I'm only paying 24.00 for 12MB / 2MB for 1 year so far .... For the extra 3MB, I'd rather save my extra $25 - $35.00

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Re: Expensive

Wow, that's really cheap. I wish I had something like that here available, I would spring for that in a heartbeat. Is that after taxes??

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Re: Expensive

said by The Limit:

Wow, that's really cheap. I wish I had something like that here available, I would spring for that in a heartbeat. Is that after taxes??
It comes to about 26.00 after taxes

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said by The Limit:

Wow, that's really cheap. I wish I had something like that here available, I would spring for that in a heartbeat. Is that after taxes??
Course thats not the 'out the door' price.
unless you're "dry", add at least another $25 for the phone line and BS unfees/telco slush fund[usf]
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But you have cable with that, right?

For folks who don't need cable VZ is maybe a little more expensive than standalone cableco internet, but not by a ton. Comcast here is $60 with modem rental on 12/2 with no promo. I have it for ~$37 but that's because I'm a few months into a six-month promotion.
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Re: Expensive

25/3 for 44.99 (bundled with TV) and 54.99 without bundle with Charter

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said by iansltx:

But you have cable with that, right?

For folks who don't need cable VZ is maybe a little more expensive than standalone cableco internet, but not by a ton. Comcast here is $60 with modem rental on 12/2 with no promo. I have it for ~$37 but that's because I'm a few months into a six-month promotion.
Nope, just internet. Not bundled with anything else.
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Re: Expensive

Geez...cheap...

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I pay $20 a month for ATT DSL 6m/768k with no phone line or anything else from ATT.
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Re: Expensive

??? How?

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Re: Expensive

said by KrK:

??? How?
»www.att.com/gen/general?pid=11523
You don't have to be a new customer to get this deal.
I just called cancelations and asked for it.
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Who will even qualify for these speeds?

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That pricing of Verizon's makes Charter look reasonably priced, even with the $10 no cable tv fee added on.

If they would offer this at a more reasonable price point, it might sell- had they offered this about 3 years ago or so, more of their DSL customers would not have switched to cable internet- because the cable internet was faster.
bn1221

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Time Warner's "Turbo" package is 1mbit/15 mbit over subscribed for 49.99 + 10-15 bucks extra for Turbo so its not that obviously a rip off....
axus

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It's comparable to cable... I'm paying $33/mo for only 3Mbps DSL. Of course, if FIOS were available, it's a much better value considering the upload speeds.

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I don't know where everyone is getting their math results.

24.00 + tax = 26.00

For 12MB download & 2 MB upload with no other services needed.

I think I'm getting the better deal.


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Can't get it, so who cares

Faster is only better if it's available. In my area, DSL has been listed as "not available" for years. It's technically offered (3Mb/768k only), but due to a lack of investment locally, they haven't had any free port capacity in several years. You have to wait for someone else to cancel and free up a port.
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Had att done that or let me upgrade to u-verse

without paying $150 for installation without ordering TV service, I'd stay with them instead I switched to Comcast and I am happy.

I have 12/2 plan with burst to 20/3.5 for 6 months with $20 promotional rate and my speed and latency stay consistent even during rush hours despite the fact it is on a shared bandwidth. 250 GB cap doesn't disturb me. U-verse or ATT HSI DSL can't compete with that.
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Re: Had att done that or let me upgrade to u-verse

thanks verizon for waiting till after you sold the frontier lines for doing this. all I have to say is Verizon I hope you die a bloody painful death for the way you are letting Frontier get away with horrible service! i feel like I stepped back to 1998 right now with our DSL
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Verizon needs more RTs

For what it's worth, I'm guessing that Verizon specifically waited until Frontier areas were offloaded to launch this service. So now Frontier has an inferior product to Verizon...eh well.

Going back to the subject line of this post, Verizon needs to add some RTs to their footprint in order to get serious subscribers from this new service. An RT every three wire miles would work just fine, as long as the company can figure out how to get cabling coming from that RT rather than from the opposite direction. Otherwise, RTs at the entrances to subdivisions or whatever would be nice.

Take my situation for example. I'm 20.61 kfeet from Verizon's CO, and the connection ranges from 1M to 1.5M depending on conditions. Better than nothing, but not great at all. If Verizon put an RT near me, my family would jump for the 7M tier without thinking twice, and I'd upgrade to 15/1 while I was home (four months out of the year or so). There are maybe 30, maybe more potential customers that could get at least 3M DSL if Verizon placed the RT near me, and possibly 7M or 10M...and they would ALL switch because they all have VZ landlines and aren't terribly happy with the current wireless ISP.

So Verizon could put a 48-port miniDSLAM near me (heck, I'd be perfectly happy if they put it on my property...lower loop fees for fiber that way lol) and immediately fill it to about 60% of capacity just by sending fliers out saying service was available in the area.

Of course, Verizon won't do this, so I'll have to just do a WISP thing instead. It's frustrating because if I was the ILEC I know EXACTLY what I'd do...but I don't have the money to buy Verizon up...

If Verizon was smart they'd do the following in DSL-only areas:
1) Do line-bonded ADSL2+, offering up to 25/2 speeds (a la CenturyLink)
2) Offer an unlimited local + long distance + features package for $45 per month inclusive of taxes and fees
3) Push fiber Ethernet at 10M of capacity, a la Windstream, to whoever wants it for pricing comparable to a 3M bonded T1
4) Offer Annex M at no additional cost so if people want more upstream speed, they can get it

I figure that 25/2 internet could sell for $80 per month without a problem in 90% of Verizon's DSL areas, and they could double that price for businesses. Use fiber Ethernet to defray the cost of bringing RTs closer to users and you start to get a nice business model.

But who am I kidding? Verizon is FiOS + LTE, or will be as soon as they can get LTE pushed out. They don't think like CenturyLink...hey, that rhymes...though on the plus side that means they aren't charging take-it-in-the-rear pricing for T1s.

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Re: Verizon needs more RTs

It'd be a great start if they actually configured existing RT's to allow someone to order more than 3Mb. 10K feet to CO, 6K to a RT, and all I can get is 5Mb.
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Re: Verizon needs more RTs

I'm about 3000' from my RT and I can't get anything other than 3

Doubt I'll see anything faster till I switch to cable
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I have an RT on my property (actually sold a right of way to VZ), 250' from my house and all I can get is 3. The RT is fiber fed and only has abt 100 phone lines and 80 dsl lines. But they will not sell more then 3mb, seems they could squeeze more cash out of each RT if they upped the offerings.
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Re: Verizon needs more RTs

No kidding...heck, I'd take a reliable 3 Mbps at the location in question
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Still waiting

Still waiting on DSL, Cable, or fiber to my home or the surrounding area, hell I even take 4G if it isn't on a super low cap. Anything but 3G (with caps) satellite, or dial-up would be welcomed.
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Re: Still waiting

well, ain't gonna happen because rural areas aren't profitable. You can get business-model T1 but thats expensive unless you figure out somehow to share it with others its cost.

(well hope my assumptions don't offend you. sometimes areas with more people are undeserved)
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Barstow

Now that is a hub of urban activity Verizon.

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Re: Barstow

Probably why they are still stuck with DSL instead of FiOS, no?

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Re: Barstow

Barstow is also the home of a Time Warner system without any of the features that TWC subscribers are known to love such as Start Over, Look Back, Lots of HD channels, and VOD. Their internet is also much slower, since it's a 550 MHz system, and TWC San Diego refuses to spend the money to upgrade it to a higher frequency. Thankfully my area has a much higher bandwidth system with SDV.

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Overhead?

How fast can the download speed get before 1Mbps upload speed isn't enough for overhead? Or is that a myth? Someone made that argument here once.
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Re: Overhead?

delete me

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Small catch

quote:
Of course this 10-15 Mbps upgrade comes too late for the millions of DSL customers in fourteen states that Verizon just offloaded to Frontier Communications.
That's all you had to say. Doesn't mean jack for those people.

Weird thing though is I'm still seeing Verizon labeled trucks.

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Re: Small catch

said by ztmike:

quote:
Of course this 10-15 Mbps upgrade comes too late for the millions of DSL customers in fourteen states that Verizon just offloaded to Frontier Communications.
That's all you had to say. Doesn't mean jack for those people.

Weird thing though is I'm still seeing Verizon labeled trucks.
I saw the first Frontier trucks around here just yesterday.

Otherwise, yeah, way to go Verizon!!
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Doesn't mean Jack for most Verizon people either.

Publicity stunt, nothing more.
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still too expemnsive

yeah i have verizonphone,actually i pay 30 a month.for 3mbps
they didn't mention an offer for old customers..
my other choice would be road runner from time warner...
plus verizon still has a bad rep for customer-tech service.

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when are we going to see this package.... dont tell me another 8 months later. Like they did with the 7.1 package

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LOL not in Lanesborough

I have their 3 mbit service and was able to tweak myself to about 2.5 mbit on a good day. Non-techies who don't tweak in my vicinity often don't see 1 mbit ever. Pings are good. However, that is just to say that sync rate(15 mbps) would never work around here. The infrastructure has just been neglected for too long. Pittsfield is over the lake and is served by TWC. I have thought of finding someone to share a TWC connection and backhaul it by wifi radios over the lake, If I get someone who has LoS(I'm on the lake). Seems my only hope for current gen speeds, as I don't see VZ upgrading enough to serve me the 15 mbit. I manage pretty well on my 3/768 though and usually am on RR when I take my lappy to Pittsfield.
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Still not being offered to RT customers

If I read this correctly, this speed only is available to people connected directly to a CO. Just like the 7.1 speed offering, those connected through a RT need not apply.
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robpegoraro

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Have any DSLR readers' addresses been qualified for this?

I couldn't find any eligible residences for 10-to-15 Mbps DSL when I checked the addresses of some friends and coworkers around D.C. and Alexandria (»voices.washingtonpost.com/faster···0_t.html), and commenters haven't reported any approvals since. No luck here either?

Rob Pegoraro (tech columnist / The Washington Post)
lrmayer

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Re: Have any DSLR readers' addresses been qualified for this?

Not yet Rob -- my Clearwater, FL address (Verizon Service at winter home) still doesn't even have "basic" DSL (over 24K feet to CO and no linked RT) - much less FIOS at all. Suppose Brighthouse and Roadrunner stays!
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left over vrads?

dont' see how customers would QUALIFY for the highest speed package anyway... most, if not all of what's left of copper that's NOT BEEN SOLD OFF probably wouldn't qualify without a REMOTE TERMINAL or some left over VRADS to boost loop length put in place.

All theyr'e doing is requalifying the 7.1mbit for 15mbit as 2x dsl modems... no dobut the technology found a way to compress the data at 2x from 2003 - 2010.

Also, price is too high.. $60 for 15mbit/1?
40-100% higher than a cable company? good luck with that.

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Re: left over vrads?

That's about what TWC charges for 15/1 with Powerboost. Only difference here is "up to" applies even more to DSL technology, largely dependent on distance, not just congestion at the DSLAM(or the node, when it comes to cable), especially at higher sync rates and speeds.
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Verizon Bumps Max DSL Speeds To 15 Mbps

I'll pass. I'm too far from my CO to get this package anyway and I don't want to pay the taxes associated with the phone service.

I'm currently subscribed to Optimum Online w/ Boost and Optimum Voice and both services are satisfactory for now. I will only go back to Verizon when Fios is available in my neighborhood.
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Fios is the only way out for Verizon

It appears to me that FIOS' deployment has been suspended due to political reasons at municipal level. Seems that Verizon wants certain concessions from cities before they deploy it there.

In the end, these demands will only hurt Verizon. The more it waits, the more its DSL becomes ancient and non-competitive and the more customers Verizon wil lose. This marketing thing to increase speeds to 15mbps will only apply to a small proportion of customers near enough to a CO.

So Verizon must either continue to deploy Fios and forget its blackmail to cities, or it must start deploying remote DSLAMs like AT&T to bring half decent speeds to its old copper network.

Either way, it needs to invest. Deploying Fios gives you a net competitive edge for the long term. Deploying DSLAMs lets you remain within reach of what cable offers, but gives you no real advantage and you'll have to go FTTH eventually anyways.

The lesson here: if you're going to stop upgrading yoru copper because your plan is to switch to FTTH, then that FTTH project is critical to your survival and you need to convert your network to FTTH ASAP and you can't afford to stall that project as Verizon is apparently doing.

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Expensive, still cheaper than Comcast in Iselin, NJ

In the attachement, you'll notice how much Comcast charges for internet in my area - which, btw, is the main reason why I currently have 3Mb up/768k down DSL. I'd pay the 50 bucks for 15/1 or even 10/1 in a heartbeat. Even though it's expensive, it's still cheaper than Comcast and, imho, more reliable than Comcast, as Comcast advertises speeds taht aren't the real speeds, are only their powerboost temporary speeds. Furthermore, Verizon, afaik, doesn't manage their internet traffic or has any caps, so I'd definitively subscribe to this package when it becomes available in my area.
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Verizon is absolutely unreliable ISP company

This is the second time I will be using very in 10 years and I regretted signing up verizon dsl. i used to have a company call cloud 10, they are great but a small company and only covers small area. Verizon has been extremely disappointing, i can't play video or watch youtube. Its just unbelievably slow. my speed test was like 0.17mb on. .......

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ordered the new speed, now no internet

I ordered the new 15 Mbps package, dry loop. My go live date was 9/10. On 9/10, my modem could no longer connect. They tell mw that they'll be sending a tech out on Monday.
Way to go verizon.

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