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Verizon, Cablevision Duke It Out Over 3DTV
Cablevision offers hockey in 3D, Verizon complains about it...
by Karl Bode 04:10PM Thursday Mar 25 2010
If you were getting bored with carrier fights over HD channel counts, it looks like TV providers will soon have something new to bicker about in television ads. Verizon this week announced via their At Home Blog that the company is planning to offer a 3DTV option later this year. Verizon was actually responding to Cablevision's decision to air a hockey game in 3D for the first time this week on their MSG Channel (see Cablevision discuss the offering here). Verizon of course took the opportunity to complain that Cablevision doesn't share the MSG channel with competitors:
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Until (our launch), you’ll see various grandstanding plays by cable companies who also produce content and can play it on their networks in 3D, hoping to make headlines with their "firsts" while excluding Verizon and other competitors from carrying this material. Is it unrealistic to think integrated operators should share their 3D content with all their viewers, even those served by others?
The FCC doesn't think so, recently taking steps that should eventually lead to companies like Cablevision being forced to share their own sports channels with competitors. As for 3DTV, Sony and Imax recently stated that carriers will need to dedicate 6MHz of bandwidth to offer the service. It's very possible that consumers (many of whom just bought a new HD set when prices fell) will see 3DTV as little more than a pricey gimmick, though the technology might see early traction among console gamers.

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pokesph
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3D?

Umm.. No DO NOT WANT

Just what we need.. another stupid blurry #D system taking over already bad TV.

Thanks but no.

I hope this REALLY dies before it gets started!
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N3OGH
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Re: 3D?

Speak for yourself.

3d hockey can kiss my ass, but we all know what the public wants.

3D PRON!!!!!!!

OMG, it's sticking out from the screen, GASP!
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rpjoe
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Re: 3D?

lol pron

IllIlIlllIll
EliteData
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said by N3OGH:

Speak for yourself.

3d hockey can kiss my ass, but we all know what the public wants.

3D PRON!!!!!!!

OMG, it's sticking out from the screen, GASP!
why would i want to spend that kind of money on a 3D set ? for less than 1/4 the price, i could have an hour with the real thing.
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Re: 3D?

The boob (really, in the case of our discussion) never gave anyone herpes.
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gorehound

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me too.i won't be rushing out to spend another $2000 so i can watch tv and wear a pair of glasses over my eye-glasses.
hottboiinnc
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Re: 3D?

The TV itself is over $2000 the glasses on average are another $350+ on average and are made by Samsung along with the TVs and the Blu-Ray players. Sony hasn't released one yet and hasn't made any announcements on if they plan on it.
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Re: 3D?

You may want to do a little more research on this before posting further. The only part you have right is the TV price, and there are TV's below $2000 as well.
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Re: 3D?

You may want to check the going prices that stores are charging. I know what they're charging. Also talk to a Samsung rep. They'll tell you the prices. As said, i work for HHGregg. I know the retail prices vs the wholesale/landed cost that is paid for these items and I can tell you Best Buy isn't getting any better than what HH is paying.
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Just what I want "The Migraine Channel - A Migraine any Time You Want!"

This is a major problem with the new 3D tech and the old tech just sucks. I personal don't want to watch any movie in a theater or on TV that will send me to the ER!
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Kataan
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More hype

Pardon me if I view this 3D TV bravado as just hype. It's 35-40 Mbps per channel to deliver that feed, not to mention the costs of the TV, plus those silly glasses.

»www.telecompetitor.com/verizon-c···in-2010/
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Re: More hype

35-40mbits is twice the bandwidth of a blu-ray, TV, not even 4D, takes up that much space. Realistically, it doesn't take more bandwidth because it does the side by side broadcast thing, which is still the same res. Cable companies just can't compress it too much because massive macroblocking would totally trash the 3D effect.

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Re: More hype

said by tennisman94:

35-40mbits is twice the bandwidth of a blu-ray, TV, not even 4D, takes up that much space. Realistically, it doesn't take more bandwidth because it does the side by side broadcast thing, which is still the same res. Cable companies just can't compress it too much because massive macroblocking would totally trash the 3D effect.
Actually 3DTV is two streams so it will take up 2x the bandwidth of a regular HD signal.

45612019

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said by tennisman94:

35-40mbits is twice the bandwidth of a blu-ray, TV, not even 4D, takes up that much space. Realistically, it doesn't take more bandwidth because it does the side by side broadcast thing, which is still the same res. Cable companies just can't compress it too much because massive macroblocking would totally trash the 3D effect.
Umm, 35-40 mbits IS the bandwidth of a Blu-ray, and there are already many channels broadcasting at that bitrate or higher, it's called C BAND / Big Ugly Dish.

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Re: More hype

said by 45612019:

said by tennisman94:

35-40mbits is twice the bandwidth of a blu-ray, TV, not even 4D, takes up that much space. Realistically, it doesn't take more bandwidth because it does the side by side broadcast thing, which is still the same res. Cable companies just can't compress it too much because massive macroblocking would totally trash the 3D effect.
Umm, 35-40 mbits IS the bandwidth of a Blu-ray, and there are already many channels broadcasting at that bitrate or higher, it's called C BAND / Big Ugly Dish.
And Comcast will probably find some way to squeeze this one 3 per QAM.

45612019

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Re: More hype

said by fifty nine:

said by 45612019:

said by tennisman94:

35-40mbits is twice the bandwidth of a blu-ray, TV, not even 4D, takes up that much space. Realistically, it doesn't take more bandwidth because it does the side by side broadcast thing, which is still the same res. Cable companies just can't compress it too much because massive macroblocking would totally trash the 3D effect.
Umm, 35-40 mbits IS the bandwidth of a Blu-ray, and there are already many channels broadcasting at that bitrate or higher, it's called C BAND / Big Ugly Dish.
And Comcast will probably find some way to squeeze this one 3 per QAM.
Well, I'm glad I don't use shitty cable companies to get my TV programming.
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Well, 35-40 Mbps sounds like a full 256QAM channel to me so the 6MHz figure is spot-on.

What's funny is that AT&T U-Verse will be unable to offer 3D with any decent quality, since their DSL profiles are for 19/2, 25/2 or 32/5 Mbps...none reach 35 Mbps!

EricGT

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Bring it on!

I'm all for it. Nothing to dislike with 3DTV, it's something new, and I think the the 3D movies in the theaters, like Avatar, look really cool.

I'm looking forward to 3DTV.

SLD
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Re: Bring it on!

Avatar in 3D looked like crap compared to the non-3D version. It was like wearing sunglasses to the movie - muting the beautiful vivid colors, for what? A few popup-book effects? No thanks!

axiomatic

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DO NOT WANT!!!

DO NOT WANT 3D!!!

I just want a damn PURE 1080p signal on HD content. (Looking at you COMCAST!) Why is this too much to ask for?!?!?

Metatron2008
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Re: DO NOT WANT!!!

Gimmicks make more sense to dumb CEOs than making services people would actually buy.

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I'm sure Comcast would love to provide you with some 1080p channels, one problem though, NONE EXIST! There is no channel broadcasting in 1080p, and probably won't be for some time. Sure they could do the 1080p On Demand gimmick like the stupid satellite companies are doing, but is wacthing a movie once in 1080p really worth $6 (Plus the $10/month HD Rape fee), when you can buy it on BD for $20 and own it for life.

Craprizon is just a little hot under the collar they didn't think of 3D for their vastly inferior Fios service first. But like everything that shitty company does, they'll come out with it and they hype it up like it's the best thing since sliced bread and come out with commercials saying how great their overrated products and services are.

kieranmullen
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Re: DO NOT WANT!!!

Are you one of the same lame brains that said copper has more capazity than fiber the other day? Perhaps you mixed up inferior and superior...

said by Steve Mehs:

Craprizon is just a little hot under the collar they didn't think of 3D for their vastly inferior Fios service first.

axiomatic

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I'm sorry but did I ever claim there was a 1080p signal? I just stated I would rather have 1080p before they give me 3D.

I guess my point is that I was unmodified re-transmission of the show in its native resolution. No more of this mpeg-4 recoding so quality shows get the downrez just to make room for 100 more shopping channels and religious junk channels.

In fact, I don't even want to subscribe to any SD content anymore. HD or nothing please.
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This why we need to stop comcast / nbc before channels bigge

This why we need to stop comcast / nbc before channels bigger then VS end up getting pulled or trun in to a CSN Philly.

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Bad timing?

I just don't think this will take off. Most people haven't gotten a HDTV yet, or did not too long ago. HDTVs have come down in price, Blu-Ray is becoming more adopted (but still nowhere near the adoption rate of dvd), and now they want to offer a new expensive tv technology with a 1950's gimmick in the midst of a horrible recession? Yes I know the technology is better than it was back then but still I'd personally have to say meh...

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Re: Bad timing?

That's right, no HDTV here. SDTV FTW since you can get large CRT TV's for free these days since people are giving them away so they can enjoy all those crappy shows, movies, repeats, and commercials in HD. Only those tiny HDTV's are cheap and when you get into the 32 inch and up range it's ripoff city. I want at least a 32 incher in my home but it's just not worth buying to see all of those annoying TV commecials in HD.
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Re: Bad timing?

FYI I love my 42" 1080p HDTV I got in September 2008 for around $900, and the TivoHD I got at the same time so I don't have to watch those commercials. The difference in picture really is staggering, especially if you do a lot of gaming or blu-ray watching. I just don't think this is the right time to add another new expensive technology based on a gimmick. I certainly won't be buying a 3DTV anytime soon, if ever.
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Porn

Porn has always been the innovator when it comes to video. We'll see (pun) 3D porn first. As they refine the technology and delivery methods, other video sources will follow porn's lead.
Joe12345678

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Re: Porn

said by Bobcat79:

Porn has always been the innovator when it comes to video. We'll see (pun) 3D porn first. As they refine the technology and delivery methods, other video sources will follow porn's lead.
But how many people will pay $15 + a $3-$5 3D fee for a Porn video?
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wow

Verizon can say what they want but wasnt cablevision one of the first to offer any hd at all? Also up until recently cablevision had some of the highest online speeds in the country.

Also cablevision is sending out a survey for $29 cell service unlimited voice , text,data with android and iphone like phones that use cell service and wifi .

I do not see verizon doing that .

So verizon can send out all the press releases they want but considering they completely stopped fios deployment they cant really talk.
edlpool

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I wonder......

What does pixelization/ blocking look like in 3D??
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Re: I wonder......

Deep black holes!!!!...LOL

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Wake me up

When you can do 3d *WITHOUT* having to wear some contraption on your face to watch it.
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Skippy25

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Re: Wake me up

Do you even understand how 3D works and has worked for decades?
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Hmmm...

I know!! 3D is a total gimmick and I for one will not be tricked into using it. I also wasn't fooled by those OTHER gimmicks, color and sound. I like my movies to be presented properly: in grainy black and white with someone playing a piano in the corner. Those other things are just gimmicks!

Okay, sarcasm mode *OFF*. For those folks who have a deeper awareness of history other than the past few years, every single technological innovation is viewed as a "gimmick" by the majority, the ones who feel that the world sprang into place when THEY first become aware of it and should thus remain unchanged. For those people I humbly share a bit of history.

Color TV? Who needs color? And video recorders are a TOTAL joke. Why would anyone spend money on a machine that records TV shows? Just watch the rerun! Okay, maybe videotape IS a good idea...but laserdiscs? DVDs? Are you crazy? You can't even record on them.

But let's talk about audio for a moment. When stereo was first introduced, the audiophiles of the era were in an uproar. TWO channels!? That's an absurd gimmick! Proper audio playback required one channel and one speaker only! Ironically, the same folks who pioneered stereo were the first to cry "gimmick" when quad (and later surround sound) was introduced. Four channels!? Five? SIX?? You only need two! Everything else is conspicuous consumption!

No, everything else is PROGRESS. 3D is reaching a saturation point that will put it conveniently within reach of the masses. In ten years, I suspect quite a few current-headscratchers will have 3D in their house.

And there's quite a bit of misinformation on this page about 3D. Here's a nice FAQ that corrects a lot of misconceptions:

»news.cnet.com/3d-tv-faq/?tag=con···tentBody
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30/5 as entry level

If cablevision wants to up things a notch.. 30/5 for between $30-$40 standalone will egg Verizon on since they are falling back to 15/5 as entry level. These gimmicks won't do anything for retention or customer aquisitions. While a cell phone serivce might have merit.. only as a replacement for voip in bundles. Tmobile seems ripe for this kind of partnering... they need all the help they can get these days.