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78036364 (banned)
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2014-Sep-22 8:41 am
Just a point of fact"Verizon acquired that spectrum from the cable industry back in 2011"
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IPPlanManHoly Cable Modem Batman join:2000-09-20 Washington, DC |
Meanwhile at Sprint...Hey Sprint, - How about a few more Spark markets? 29 cities currently doesn't cut it. - How about WiFi calling on iOS? - How about VoLTE? Just checking. Thanks. EDITED TO ADD: » newsroom.sprint.com/pres ··· park.htm (Updated September 17, 2014): "Sprint plans to reach 100 million Americans with Sprint Spark 2.5GHz coverage by the end of 2014.".... We'll see. | |
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SteelerRaw
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2014-Sep-22 3:06 pm
Re: Meanwhile at Sprint...Out of curiosity, what exactly does Sprint have to do with this story? | |
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Re: Meanwhile at Sprint...Because this is what a network overbuild looks like... Sprint needs to get to this point if they ever really want to compete effectively.
Granted, Verizon doesn't have WiFi calling, but they say they will by middle of next year.
Verizon does have VoLTE though. | |
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SteelerRaw
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2014-Sep-23 5:37 pm
Re: Meanwhile at Sprint...Mmmkay... | |
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Re: Meanwhile at Sprint...My point is look how quickly Verizon is deploying AWS spectrum nationwide. Look how slowly Spark (2.5 Ghz) is being deployed by Sprint in comparison. | |
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Agreed. They don't even have all of Columbus from EVDO to LTE yet, and we're the 15th largest city in the USA!! | |
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2014-Sep-22 8:50 am
Verizon SucksVerizon Wireless still doesn't service MD's western counties in any way. They still do not sell services west of Frederick in the state.
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Re: Verizon SucksAre you talking about spotty coverage there or them not being licensed to sell service there. I know southwest Iowa (West of Appanoose County and south of I-80) Verizon isn't licensed to sell service in that portion of the state. Same with Maine, there are parts that are out of bounds for Verizon.
Until Verizon bought Unicell in 2005 York County, Maine and Franklin County, Mass were out of bounds for Verizon as well as the the state of Vermont. | |
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....its not enoughThey haven't done enough cell sites here on Staten Island, and even the base 700mhz Band 13 isn't up to VoLTE standard. They're still really shooting themselves in the foot with this one. I wonder if they're LTE can ever have the penetration that the legacy 850Mhz 1X does. | |
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78036364 (banned)
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2014-Sep-22 12:28 pm
Re: ....its not enoughBand 13 is 750 MHz so it should penetrate more than 850 MHz. Eventually 850 MHz will be converted for LTE. Some of it starting next year. And of course Verizon may get some 600 MHz form the auctions next year.
As far as cell sites Verizon is continually adding mini cell towers. So just because they don't have enough now doesn't mean they aren't working on it. That stuff takes time and I'm sure in NYC there is plenty of red tape they have to go through to install these mini towers. | |
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clone (banned)
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2014-Sep-22 5:13 pm
Re: ....its not enoughThey don't have enough Band 13 LTE anywhere I've seen. No market in the U.S. is free from the dreaded 1X/EVDO fallback when inside a building or on the edge of a site's coverage. LTE (even on 750MHz) just isn't as robust of an air interface as CDMA on 800, and Verizon hasn't done much, if anything, to address that problem.
Band 4 isn't going to help except where there is congestion, and even in my suburb the Band 4 has done nothing to ease congestion on Band 13. "Mini cell-sites" aren't going to do anything once you're outside of a large megalopolis. We know who signs your paycheck, but don't just dismiss real problems out of hand. | |
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....can you give me hints on there appearance. I've seen hundreds of T-Mobile's, giving superb coverage where Verizon's long sucked. | |
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ke4pym
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2014-Sep-22 10:07 am
Downtown CharlotteSomeone needs to tell them they forgot to upgrade the tower in downtown Charlotte.
After 8:30am you're lucky to get 500kbps down and 0.01kbps up. Up until 8:30, you might see 10Mbps down. Maybe. | |
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78036364 (banned)
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2014-Sep-22 12:30 pm
Re: Downtown Charlottesaid by ke4pym:Someone needs to tell them they forgot to upgrade the tower in downtown Charlotte.
After 8:30am you're lucky to get 500kbps down and 0.01kbps up. Up until 8:30, you might see 10Mbps down. Maybe. That doesn't mean the tower isn't updated it means the tower is being used a lot. You do get that mobile data is SHARED? And currently tower sectors have a max bandwidth of 150 Mbps TOTAL. That for all users COMBINED. And each tower sector can have as many as 400 simultaneous users. Do the math and get back to me. | |
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ke4pym
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2014-Sep-22 12:57 pm
Re: Downtown Charlottesaid by 78036364:said by ke4pym:Someone needs to tell them they forgot to upgrade the tower in downtown Charlotte.
After 8:30am you're lucky to get 500kbps down and 0.01kbps up. Up until 8:30, you might see 10Mbps down. Maybe. That doesn't mean the tower isn't updated it means the tower is being used a lot. You do get that mobile data is SHARED? And currently tower sectors have a max bandwidth of 150 Mbps TOTAL. That for all users COMBINED. And each tower sector can have as many as 400 simultaneous users. Do the math and get back to me. Oh, I completely understand how bandwidth works. However, this problem has been going on for nearly a year now. One would expect, even on the weekends (back when the DNC was here and we had an additional 25k users 25-30Mbps was no problem) to see a bit more than 10Mbps down (very few people live downtown - for now). And if the tower were updated, it should, in theory, also be able to provide a lot more than the a-fore-mentioned data rates. I've been on unloaded and obviously updated towers when I pull 55 down and push nearly 30 up. So I know what's available. | |
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78036364 (banned)
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2014-Sep-22 3:22 pm
Re: Downtown Charlottesaid by ke4pym:Oh, I completely understand how bandwidth works. And if the tower were updated, it should, in theory, also be able to provide a lot more than the a-fore-mentioned data rates. Then you don't know how data works. LTE is limited to 15 bps per Hz for downlink. Verizon XLTE is 20 MHz downlink. That's 150 Mbps. Verizon regular LTE spectrum is only 10 MHz wide and thus limited to 75 Mbps. The only way you increase that is to get more spectrum. Verizon doesn't use carrier aggregation yet so you can't combine the 2 spectrum swaths for 30 MHz. Verizon is participating in the AWS-3 auction in Nov and that spectrum could be added to their XLTE spectrum so if they get 10 MHz more for downlink that could increase XLTE capacity. In a few years once Verizon moves to LTE-A( LTE Advanced ) the bitrate per Hz is doubled. Also they should have some spectrum from the 600 MHz auctions next year and of course the refarming of their 3G and 1X spectrum. And the movement to carrier aggregation I mentioned before. This will take years. The carriers that get any 600 MHz spectrum in the auction can't even deploy it until 39 months after the auction. So we're talking late 2018 at the earliest. You're also not taking into account while XLTE has increased capacity more and more people are upgrading to LTE phones. Also the average amount of LTE data used per device is also increasing. Only 55% of devices on Verizon's network are LTE capable but LTE is 80% of all the data on it's network. You don't see that as an issue? | |
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Are you still making the assumption that all those people are continuously streaming 1080p video simultaneously? | |
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ke4pym
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2014-Sep-22 1:36 pm
Re: Downtown Charlottesaid by IPPlanMan:Are you still making the assumption that all those people are continuously streaming 1080p video simultaneously? If he is, he'd be wrong in my case. I'm lucky to load a web page in under 3 minutes. I've opened a case with Verizon. And I got a status email that they are escalating it to a high level tier of engineers. Not heard back on it in a few days. Was on the phone for probably 45 minutes doing different tests both inside and outside of the building. Signal levels, according to Verizon are great inside and outside. Which is expected. The tower is 800 feet away. Hopefully they can get a new tower or three up in the city core. They're going to have too. 4 new huge apartment complexes are being built on this block. Can't go to -0.01kbps. | |
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78036364 (banned)
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2014-Sep-22 3:27 pm
Re: Downtown Charlottesaid by IPPlanMan:Are you still making the assumption that all those people are continuously streaming 1080p video simultaneously? Nope and it doesn't take all. Just 25 people watching HD Netflix is all it takes. 6 Mbps X 25 is 150 Mbps. Since up to 400 can connect that's just 6% and of course more than 400 might be actually wanting to connect. So just a small small percentage of people watching HD video can congest a tower. | |
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Re: Downtown CharlotteHow many people the the data allowances or battery life to do that all day? Uhh, no one! And that's coming from an Verizon unlimited data plan user. | |
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You clearly have no clue what you're talking about. They may very well have upgraded that tower to xLTE and it's just overwhelmed. And speeds under 73mbps have nothing to do with xLTE or not. Back in the day when there were few LTE phone, B13 was cranking out 70+mbps overnight in parts of NYC. | |
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"Burn through your cap faster!"I'm surprised T-Mobile and/or Sprint hasn't countered with an ad campaign.
Something like a "faux"-Verizon commercial:
It could open up with the classic 'housewife turning away from sink towards while drying her hands off' bit and saying (in a calm, measured, but slightly happy commercial-voice) "With new XLTE by Verizon Wireless, I can burn through my data cap in just minutes as opposed to before, where it could take up to two hours for me to start getting overage charges" | |
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XLTE is hereWe have XLTE in Western Mass, I can tell because the data is actually usable at the Big E, usually it's unusable. | |
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Network Extender VoLTE Incompatibility...They'd better keep upgrading this... As you know, Verizon's Network Extender does not support VoLTE. Verizon Wireless also doesn't support WiFi calling yet or offer an LTE-based Network Extender. So when the LTE voice option is enabled on an iPhone 6, the phone will actually prefer connecting to a weak and essentially unusable LTE Voice signal instead of the strong CDMA Network Extender signal. This can be "solved" by disabling LTE voice so it will connect to the extender, but in so doing, this prevents you from having HD Audio and Voice/Data at the same time in every other location unless you change this option every time you arrive/leave from the vicinity of the network extender. You'd think somebody would test this ahead of time, but oh no, it's Verizon, so... » www.fiercewireless.com/s ··· 14-09-17Fran says: "However, he said Wi-Fi calling was "never a top priority" for Verizon. "We built our voice platform so extensively [that] there was never a need for us to tell our customers, 'Oh, our network is not good enough so you need to go on Wi-Fi to complete your call.'" Sure you did... | |
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