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Varlik
Without Honor You Will Never Be Free
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Anderson, SC
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| Re: Decisions, decisions... Where is the FIOS option? The heck with DSL.
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join:2005-06-06
Alexandria, VA | Re: Decisions, decisions... not many cust per sq mile to make the investment at this moment. | |
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| Re: Decisions, decisions... said by chemaupr  :not many cust per sq mile to make the investment at this moment. More then you think. | |
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djrobx
join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA | I would think if it's going in a sparsely-populated rural area, a technology like FIOS that doesn't have distance limitations would be a smarter choice to deploy.
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join:2002-10-12
Blairstown, NJ | Re: Decisions, decisions... and in typical rural fashion, West Virginians choose DSL! | |
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
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join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ | you forgot to list "Putting wheels on the 1955 ford thats sitting in the front yard on blocks so you can move it and mow underneath" haha
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Descent
Wrap It Up
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WDC Suburb | inbreads on line... | |
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Martinsburg, WV | Re: Decisions, decisions... Dude, if you are going to make fun of West Virginians, then at least keep up the appearance of greater intelligence by using spell check. Inbread? My wife/sister thinks yer dumb too. | |
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| Re: Decisions, decisions... I'll agree. I live in WV and in a pretty good sized community. We don't live it 'hillbilly' style here either.
And I realy hope verizon lets me get dsl :|! | |
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rachelsfx
join:2004-09-27
Pensacola, FL
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| Wow! Now the "Deliverance" bunch can get HSI!
I live in a trailer in the middle of BFE, but I got DSL Extreme! Wait, now I got FIOS! I gotta get a better generator. Hey, fire up the still! It's moonshine making time! Now if I can quit my addiction to terrorizing hikers, hunters, and idiots in my neck of the woods.
Big Question: How stable is DSL going to be 56,232 ft from the CO? | |
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join:2004-06-04
Rising Fawn, GA | With line amplifiers you should be fine. I think. | |
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@rr.com | Well i guess? I knew the Hardware from removing the Copper Lines(DSL equipment), switching them to Fios had to go somewhere. | |
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July 9th, @01:42PM
| Not getting my hopes up.. I live ~10 minutes from the local town who has dsl. Does this mean by the end of this year its possible I'll finaly be able to get it?
Oh, and less than ~1 mile from me there is some phone equiptment boxes there, I'm guessing cross boxes maybe. | |
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join:2004-06-21
Ashburn, VA | Re: Not getting my hopes up.. Good luck and don't hold your...
Those boxes may be an RT and if that's the case you're SOL. Even if your CO is setup for DSL. | |
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clubs: | Re: Not getting my hopes up.. Some guy did a test on my phone line from here and said i was behind a 'star lite' rt or something, and have a chance... What do you think? | |
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Mactron
el Camino Real
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join:2001-12-16
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| Re: DSL "capable" CO is ONLY part of it.... said by rec9140 :it doesn't matter if VZ WON'T deploy RT with DSLAMS. Which they will NOT DEPLOY. "...as well as at more than 90 remote facilities." What part of this did you not understand !?? 
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join:2004-01-06
Amissville, VA | Re: DSL "capable" CO is ONLY part of it.... 90 is not that many. That's not even 1 RT per CO.
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rec9140
Provoice just DO it
join:2003-07-29
Mulberry, FL
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| said by Mactron :
["...as well as at more than 90 remote facilities." What part of this did you not understand !??
Simple I know how VZ works. They basically gave up on DSL in my area. Your within the length limit, fine sign up, out side the limit, sorry not available, click!
They basically gave market share away to the crapbleco in my area.
Now we want to rewire and offer Fios Fiber, which I will kill to get you bet!, but still their mode of operation for DSL. Equip CO, make alot of noise about it, the FEW in an area that qualify for it are happy, VZ makes some ROI on the $$$ before selling off WV, BUT the vast MAJORITY are still blowing in the wind with no DSL.
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xyar
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join:2001-06-21
Beaverton, OR
| Re: DSL "capable" CO is ONLY part of it.... Unless you live in extremely small villages of a couple hundred people, every body "in town" in any typical small town should be within the 18,000 wire feet, right? Around here all the small towns just about have DSL (have had for quite some time) and if you're near town, you're good to go. It's only the sparsely populated farms and such in the country that can't get it. | |
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join:2006-02-25
Pittsburgh, PA
| said by rec9140 :This is why there needs to be set standards on data deployment for cable, telco and any other player that comes along fiber, nanowave whatever the future may hold. You wire it, you wire EVERYONE and YOU SERVE EVERYONE. Telco's get off your butts and DEPLOY THE HARDWARE to get DSL or what ever your choice is to 100% of your customers. You will have so much $$$ money rolling in you won't know what to do. Especially in the RURAL ares where cable doesn't and won't go till .... the farm is sold and turned into some gawd awful HOA'tized development. FARMERS JUST SAY NO! Why should telcos do what cable won't? Or water or sewer or natural gas utilities won't? For that matter, how about cell service? Go to some "touristy" parts of WV, and there is NO signal - not EVDO, not digital, not even analog. Why? No demand? Too expensive to put up a few towers? DSLAMs cost a lot more than you think, and you can't compell them to spend money without a promise of a return on the investment. | |
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join:2005-07-16
Smyrna, DE
| Fiber Why waste the money to do this when they could just lay fiber? I mean they waste the money to lay DSL and there just going to have to invest more money when they decide to lay fiber so what's the point to laying DSL when fiber will pay off more in the long run than DSL.  | |
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quetwo
That VoIP Guy
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join:2004-09-04
East Lansing, MI
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| Re: Fiber said by op :Why waste the money to do this when they could just lay fiber? I mean they waste the money to lay DSL and there just going to have to invest more money when they decide to lay fiber so what's the point to laying DSL when fiber will pay off more in the long run than DSL. You don't 'lay' DSL. You change some equipment out at the CO, and the lines become capable of DSL. Fiber requires you to change the co equipment, rip out the copper, put in the glass, and add a bunch of equipment at the CP. A lot more involved, and a lot more expensive. And when I say a lot more, i mean $100,000 compared to $50M per CO (assuming a small CO). | |
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join:2003-12-04
Banks, OR
| Bigots! 'seems like there are quite a few on this board. And it seems acceptable here to insult and stereotype rural residents. i imagine if the topic was a racial or ethnic group, the reaction would be different.
As to why VZ is doing this, it is out of character for them, and is in stark contrast to what they are doing in other states. I'm guessing is has to do with Senators Byrd aand Rockfeller, both powerful and influential politicians. WV is a relatively small state, so they wouldn't need much money spent ($5M) to demonstrate to these two that they are "serious" about BB deployment (so please pass that nationwide TV franchise bill). | |
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N3OGH
They both suck, we're so screwed
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join:2003-11-11
Philly burbs
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| Re: Bigots! said by PDXPLT :'seems like there are quite a few on this board. And it seems acceptable here to insult and stereotype rural residents. i imagine if the topic was a racial or ethnic group, the reaction would be different.... Thanks for making my point for me...
My part of the world is by no means "rural" anymore, but when I was growing up it was.
I'm sure the same people making rural "redneck" jokes about WV are the same people that would bitch about "redlining" Fios deployment in predominantly African-American inner city areas.
But, When we're making fun of gap toothed white folk, it's A-OK.
Pre judging people based on anything from the color of their skin, to the part of the country they live in is bigotry.
It's wrong, it's disgusting, and it's inappropriate
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Just Because
join:2003-01-11
Vernon, VT
·Verizon Online DSL
| said by PDXPLT :As to why VZ is doing this, it is out of character for them, and is in stark contrast to what they are doing in other states. I'm guessing is has to do with Senators Byrd aand Rockfeller, both powerful and influential politicians. WV is a relatively small state, so they wouldn't need much money spent ($5M) to demonstrate to these two that they are "serious" about BB deployment (so please pass that nationwide TV franchise bill). Don't say that this out of character for them when lets face it...you really don't know what VZ is doing in other states do you???!!! Because if you did then you would know that in Vermont where I live I have been waiting for DSL for a long time and I have been told that by the end of July I will be able to get it. And YES I work out of a Remote Terminal.
I know of several people here in Vermont that have not had the option of DSL until just this past year. So contrary to your statement above, Verizon is expanding DSL to many rural customers thru RT and CO expansions. At least in Vermont they are, I cannot speak for other states.
I must admit that it does seem that they are focusing most of their attention and money on FIOS. But I guess they must have finally figured out that they can still make money on DSL too. At least in the rural states that have no chance in the near future for anything like FIOS  | |
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Glen Burnie, MD | Yep, there are quite a few cross burners on this board. | |
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Catman
Coasting On Lifes Highway
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join:2003-03-13
Pineville, WV
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| West Virginian... Guess ill be keeping my hughesnet. DSL sucks on poor phone lines. The connection wont be worth a damn if the phone companies dont upgrade the phone lines too. My phone line is 45 years old.
Oh yea, stereotyping shows your own ignorance. Keep it up, I love seeing how conceited some people can be. | |
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join:2004-07-11
Cobbs Creek, VA | Re: West Virginian... I agree. WV is an absolutely beautiful area. Fabulous state and federal parks and gorgeous scenery...and them Mountaineers ain't a shabby football team. This from a neighboring Virginian. Great folks be thar. | |
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join:2003-12-05
Mesquite, TX | don't sweat it...hypocrisy is par for the course all over the web, especially when it comes to those who normally denounce bigotry and racism (the loudest on the left). | |
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Fronkman
Macs Do It Better
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join:2003-06-23
Columbus, OH
| really are we seriously applauding VZ for deploying DSL to a rural area? isn't this exactly what they ARE SUPPOSED to be doing with all of that USF money they collect? I don't mind paying a USF if it means that people (especially students) who dont have high speed access to the net get hooked up. however, while verizon may look better compared to other companies that arent doing this, it is still pretty sad that it would require the efforts of a powerful senator (byrd) to get VZ to do what
a)they are legally supposed to be doing
b)they ethically should be doing
c)they have been collecting USF money for decades for
i think if nothing else comes out of the national franchise laws, it should be that companies must provide equal access to all areas. frankly if they want to operate with a franchise from the federal government, they should be expected to uphold the constitution. | |
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join:2004-09-30
Nitro, WV
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| Geez Why is it that everyone thinks that all West Virginians are hicks? Probably the same people that think WV is still part of virginia...
Anyways, I live right beside the interstate in wv. In a townhouse complex that was built in the middle of an industrial park. I've had charter cable for 7 years (even though it sucked), because i didn't want a phone line. Moved here recently, and there isn't cable up here. The only DSL option was VZ, and they required us to get a phone line, or pay the whole year up front for a dry line. On top of that, we're 15,000 feet from the CO (which is located in the town across the river, and we're stuck at 1.5Mb/384k. I still have to pay the full 3M/768k price since they don't guarantee speeds. I tried to get SDSL from another company, but they couldn't do it originally because of load coils VZ had on the lines. After a conference call with the CEO of that company, and some higher-ups at VZ, the load coils got removed. I can get the SDSL, but only at 384k,being so far away from the CO, so I went with VZ. I've had nothing but trouble with it, mainly disconnects and slow downs-since day 1. A "technician" came to run some tests and said the lines were fine. To top it all off, a week after the DSL had been activated, I get a hanger on my door stating that "DSL is now available in your area" AFTER I already had it, and neighbors have had it for a year at least.
I have an EV-DO phone from sprint, and would LOVE to go that route, but Sprint doesn't own any towers in WV, Sprint uses Verizon Wireless towers (go figure) and Verizon doesn't plan to upgrade our towers to EV-DO anytime in the near future.
Verizon just all around sucks, and they probably have the same attitude that these other people have about West Virginians being hicks who don't need broadband. I may be a hillbilly, but I still phiend for bandwidth. I run a remote backup | |
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brooklynman4
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Brooklyn, NY | Re: Geez I guess people will be wearing dentures after the dsl deployment is completed lol. | |
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join:2005-04-14
Philadelphia, PA | Independents There seems to be alot of Indepent tel. co's there maybe if verizon deployed a mesh or a fixed wireless would be more effective | |
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Jets 19 - Steelers 16
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Pompton Plains, NJ | Good Smart move, userbase will continue to increase. | |
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jbltecnicspr
join:2005-08-27
| I know this might be off topic, but... ...I've never been able to get DSL in my life - ever! And I sure as hell wasn't living in rural areas! My neighborhood in North Las Vegas was too far out for DSL when it was initally being deployed by sprint. In Biloxi, MS (a town of about 80,000), my neighborhood's lines were on Digital Loop Carriers, and now here, at Ashland MO, I am once again too far out for DSL... I've had three phone companies: Sprint, Bellsouth, and now Centurytel (Century-hell!) - and not a damn one of them could provide our house with DSL. Except here, in MO, I'm considered "rural." So not only can I not get DSL, or Cable, but my phone lines are multiplexed. WISP? Forget about it, my neighbor's trees are too tall... Satellite? Doesn't work half of the time. When will rural people be able to enjoy the internet? (I guess when they cough up the $1000 a month price for a T-1, lol) | |
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Weston, WV | Re: I know this might be off topic, but... I hope they upgrade Weston's central office to provide DSL. | |
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join:2005-05-21
French Creek, WV
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| Sprint Does NOT USE Verizon Towers I am a sprint PCS dealer and Sprint does not use verizon wireless towers in WV but they do use Ntelos PCS Towers. Ntelos is required to upgrade their towers to be EVDO capable by 2008. At that time you can get the sprint PCMCIA air card and pay 80 bucks a month for 1.5Mb anywhere on sprint, ntelos, or alltel's towers. | |
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