Verizon Defends Unsexy Smartphone Selection It's about the 'delivery' not the device, says telco... "Keep in mind that for Verizon Wireless, it isnt so much about the device as it is about the delivery," A Verizon Wireless representative tells Wired Magazine, who this week posts a story exploring Verizon's significant lack of sexy smartphones. "We have the nations largest 3G network so when we offer devices on our network, customers can be assured that they will deliver as promised," says Verizon, who of course turned down Apple's iPhone exclusivity offer. Of course as Wired notes and we discussed last week, Verizon's not being particularly aggressive on pricing, either. But the carrier does consistently come out on top in terms of consumer satisfaction and call quality surveys, so clearly sexy smartphones and reasonable pricing aren't everything.
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 | | Yeap Verizon is stuck in the early 2000's VOICE service Unsexy SmartPhone Selection and if you happen to even get a half decent smart phone they will lock the crap out of the phone with their nice secure Verizon blocks..."I am sorry sir but if you want to application then you will have to visit our AMAZING selection of outdated half broken apps on the verizon site".
I like the service but I utterly hate the phones. It's getting close to the point where I am thinking of giving ATT a try, because there at least people are more "free" to choose what to install.
I got Verizon BlackBerry and LG Touch and it's utterly useless. You can't browse the web since most of the web is broken. It's a test in frustration. Any apps you want to install on LG Touch must be from Verizon and locked down. It comes down to me using HI Tech Verizon phones just for Voice since any other function is Abysmal! | |
|  |  ThrowDemsOutIf you can't convince 'em, confuse 'emPremium join:2002-03-03 Mullica Hill, NJ kudos:4 | Re: Yeap Verizon is stuck in the early 2000's VOICE service Verizon hung its recent smartphone hopes on the Blackberry Storm & Tour. That isn't working out too well. The Tour has a 50% failure rate.
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The BlackBerry Tour is suffering from a widespread defect that could seriously impact Research in Motion's bottom line, an analyst cautioned on Wednesday. The trackball on the smartphone is reported as clogging so quickly that it requires users to frequently clean it to keep it working; as most don't or aren't aware of it, a very high number of owners end up returning the Tour to the carrier. As many as 50 percent of all Sprint's Tours are being returned, while Verizon is "angry" enough that it's telling stores to expect a shift in support to Motorola's upcoming smartphone based on Android. RIM is turning out a lot of shoddy products lately and they are Verizon's main high end product offering. -- My BLOG .. .. Internet News .. .. My Web Page
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|  |  |  |  |  |  |  morboComplete Your Transaction join:2002-01-22 00000 | Re: Yeap Verizon is stuck in the early 2000's VOICE service wow. that's a high failure rate. | |
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|  |  |  |  nixenRockin' the BoxenPremium join:2002-10-04 Alexandria, VA | Re: Yeap Verizon is stuck in the early 2000's VOICE service said by Matt:That's funny you mention that as my buddy's Storm just died a couple of days ago. I will give Verizon credit though, they have always been fantastic about swapping a phone in a Verizon store, no questions asked. I got a Storm early this year (like January or February), solely because I was going overseas for a work project. Prior to that, I'd been avoiding the smart phones like the plague (I just don't need to be that reachable). It was an earlyish release, so it had a lot of software bugs. When I got back from my third trip to Europe, a firmware update was available. Verizon told me that loading it should solve a lot of the issues I was having with the device. Well, it sorta did: the firmware update bricked my phone. But, Verizon was very good about swapping it (and then swapping the replacement phone because the replacement's USB functions were broken). Since then, it's been fairly reliable.
While I like the interface of the iPhone better, I'd not trade my Storm for the AT&T network. Around here, Verizon's coverage is SOOOOO much better than AT&T's. -- The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. -- Bertrand Russell | |
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| said by tempnexus:I got Verizon BlackBerry and LG Touch and it's utterly useless. You can't browse the web since most of the web is broken. It's a test in frustration. Any apps you want to install on LG Touch must be from Verizon and locked down. It comes down to me using HI Tech Verizon phones just for Voice since any other function is Abysmal! Well I have a Verizon Blackberry and mine works fine for browsing the web. So does my wife and kids and all of theirs work perfectly. What model? Can I help you with the settings so it works for you like it works for me? | |
|  |  |  MattAll noise, no signal.Premium join:2003-07-20 Jamestown, NC kudos:12 | Re: Yeap Verizon is stuck in the early 2000's VOICE service said by NY Tel:Well I have a Verizon Blackberry and mine works fine for browsing the web. So does my wife and kids and all of theirs work perfectly. What model? Can I help you with the settings so it works for you like it works for me? None of my BlackBerry users have trouble browsing the web either. The BlackBerry scored right behind the iPhone for web browsing in a comparison I read a year or so ago. | |
|  |  |  | | said by NY Tel:said by tempnexus:I got Verizon BlackBerry and LG Touch and it's utterly useless. You can't browse the web since most of the web is broken. It's a test in frustration. Any apps you want to install on LG Touch must be from Verizon and locked down. It comes down to me using HI Tech Verizon phones just for Voice since any other function is Abysmal! Well I have a Verizon Blackberry and mine works fine for browsing the web. So does my wife and kids and all of theirs work perfectly. What model? Can I help you with the settings so it works for you like it works for me? Sure I have BlackBerry 8830 (World Phone Edition) and most of the web is broken. Both when viewed via the BBrowser and I believe IE. The frames are all out of whack. The screen does not wrap the words correctly i.e. One line can be full then the word breaks into another line which only has 2 letters and then the rest is on the 3rd and 4th lines.
All "enchanced" web doesn't work. At most I might have java work once in a while, but forget about flash etc.
However it's good with Outlook, and Powerpoint (viewing). | |
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| I just got the Ozone and its not locked. I can use Google Maps with the built in unlocked GPS. I have the youtube, facebook app on it that I got for free. And it has wifi so that I can cruise the net and download apps pretty fast when at home. And the EVDO is pretty quick to when on the road. Yeah it might not be a touch screen but I prefer function over style. | |
|  |  Eek2121Lovin Verizon FIOS join:2002-10-12 Newton, NJ | Um? I have a BlackBerry tour and nothing is locked, not even gps. I can download any app i want, etc. | |
|  |  RR ConductorHappy 40th AmtrakPremium join:2002-04-02 Redwood Valley, CA kudos:1 | said by tempnexus:Unsexy SmartPhone Selection and if you happen to even get a half decent smart phone they will lock the crap out of the phone with their nice secure Verizon blocks! Not anymore, I have a Verizon Touch Pro 2 and NOTHING on it is locked down, NOTHING. They no longer do it on phones, and have even released ROM's for phones like the original Touch Pro and Omnia that unlock GPS and other things, I would suggest you redo your Verizon review 
As far as AT&T, Verizon has a much better network. Changing carriers just for phones is a mistake, what good is a phone if the network stinks? You should ALWAYS choose the network first, then the phones 2nd, if you do it the other way around you will be sorry. -- You've got to stand for something, or you'll fall for anything. | |
|  |  |  | | Re: Yeap Verizon is stuck in the early 2000's VOICE service I guess I have to go to Verizon and have them reflash it. Mine is locked down. And the network is the reason I am still with Verizon. However, I would love some better quality phones. For example many medical apps have been released for Iphone, not so for BB RIM. So now I have drag along with me my PDA, My BB and My Personal Phone....sigh. | |
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| Re: Yeap Verizon is stuck in the early 2000's VOICE service said by tempnexus:I guess I have to go to Verizon and have them reflash it. Mine is locked down. And the network is the reason I am still with Verizon. However, I would love some better quality phones. For example many medical apps have been released for Iphone, not so for BB RIM. So now I have drag along with me my PDA, My BB and My Personal Phone....sigh. Get the latest version of Blackberry Desktop manager 5.0 from Verizon and you can update/flash the phone from the comfort of your living room..... lol
Then make sure in browser options you turn on java, kava, coffee and tea... Also, I downloaded Opera mini for Blackberry and it works very nicely to fill in where the Built-in browser leaves off and you can have both. | |
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| said by tempnexus:I got Verizon BlackBerry and LG Touch and it's utterly useless. You can't browse the web since most of the web is broken. It's a test in frustration. Any apps you want to install on LG Touch must be from Verizon and locked down. It comes down to me using HI Tech Verizon phones just for Voice since any other function is Abysmal! First, if you can make calls, it isn't useless. As far as a smartphone (especially BlackBerry) goes, email is second most important for business and most personal users. Both work great in most areas on Verizon. I'm not saying they are the best everywhere, but they are pretty good overall... better than anyone else around here, especially now that they acquired Alltel.
Web browsing actually works fine on the new BlackBerry devices. I haven't actually found a page that wouldn't load properly. That being said, I do usually opt for the mobile versions of the sites, since they are better formatted for a smartphone screen, even if it has a good full HTML browser.
The enhanced multimedia phones are not smartphones, and should not be expected to be on the same level. They cost less, and their plans cost less. They are optimized for voice first, and some basic video or music playback... not much else. | |
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|  |  1 edit | Re: Agreed! My Palm Pre works and is the best smartphone platform I've worked with (have used all the major ones).
Verizon will have webOS devices probably next year. Will help but you'll probably pay nearly 50% more for the same services vs Sprint when including GPS, data, unlimited messaging, etc. Now that Sprint has free calls to any mobile carrier device, they are hard to beat on value.
Have no interest in Verizon's higher prices and draconian policies. Sprint meets my needs (especially after recent improvements). If it didn't I'd be moving to Verizon.
Sprint is worth trying unless living in an area they are known to be weak. When visiting weak Sprint areas, you can roam on Verizon or others. I can see why Verizon would be the first to consider though. They do their thing very well. | |
|  |  |  |  | | said by phills_suck:I would rather have a great network and be able to make calls instead of having a nice, stylish piece of junk that doesn't work.. I also agree. I would rather have a real PHONE rather than a ghettofabulous piece of JUNK which categorizes most of the "sexy" GSM phones out there. | |
|  |  |  patcat88 join:2002-04-05 Jamaica, NY kudos:1 | Re: Agreed! said by fifty nine:said by phills_suck:I would rather have a great network and be able to make calls instead of having a nice, stylish piece of junk that doesn't work.. I also agree. I would rather have a real PHONE rather than a ghettofabulous piece of JUNK which categorizes most of the "sexy" GSM phones out there. Then get a PDA phone with load your own app capability. I love WM. | |
|  |  |  |  | | Re: Agreed! said by patcat88:said by fifty nine:said by phills_suck:I would rather have a great network and be able to make calls instead of having a nice, stylish piece of junk that doesn't work.. I also agree. I would rather have a real PHONE rather than a ghettofabulous piece of JUNK which categorizes most of the "sexy" GSM phones out there. Then get a PDA phone with load your own app capability. I love WM. I do. I have a palm treo. | |
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| said by phills_suck:I would rather have a great network and be able to make calls instead of having a nice, stylish piece of junk that doesn't work.. I can put up with the congestion on AT&T's network (because people can actually use it) around 4-6PM which causes me to have to redial 3-6 calls a month than live with Verizon's crippled phones and of course since it is CDMA you are locked into the Verizon phone monopoly.
I pay AT&T $15/month for data and I can do whatever I want with it... get my exchange email 24/7 or hook up my computer to the PC... no hacking needed. -- PRescott7-2097 | |
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| To Be Fair... The coolest, awesome, "sexiest" smart phone won't mean anything if it doesn't at all work like it's supposed to. So in a way, VZW is right although don't get me wrong, this post isn't intended to make VZW appear to be a perfect company.
As an extreme example, a low-end mobile phone that can actually make calls is far more important than a theoretical "perfect" smart phone with the latest Windoze OS, GPS, 802.11n, a 2GHz CPU, 8+GB internal memory, supports MicroSDHC, dual SIM cards, 1,024 x 768 resolution, 4" screen, and so on, if you can't even make calls with that perfect mobile phone.
However, I will admit that even though that "perfect" smart phone as I described earlier doesn't actually exist, it'd be very cool if it did. | |
|  |  | | Re: To Be Fair... said by benc: The coolest, awesome, "sexiest" smart phone won't mean anything if it doesn't at all work like it's supposed to. Paperweight mode anyone?  | |
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| Re: To Be Fair... said by fifty nine:said by benc: The coolest, awesome, "sexiest" smart phone won't mean anything if it doesn't at all work like it's supposed to. Paperweight mode anyone? Precisely!
Without network reliability, a wireless phone (regardless of HOW many features it claims) is a paperweight.
I remember the bad old days of Bell Atlantic Mobile (the grandfather of what is current VZW) when network reliability was a joke (disconnects in the middle of calls, even while still within distance of the same tower, etc.).
I prefer (and recommend) VZW for three reasons:
1. Network reliability. I don't have dropped-call issues, and call-quality is as clear as that of any landline (including VZ fiberlines).
2. Coverage (without roaming). Mom's been a VZW customer FAR longer than me, and she takes her VZW Samsung phone everywhere. The only time she's ever been whacked with roaming charges was calling from a cruise ship or one of the islands. Atlantic City? Dallas? Las Vegas? California? No roaming charges. Combined with free calls to other VZW phones, then Friends and Family (for ALL customers, not just former AllTel customers), I have practically flat-rate voice. (F&F is used strictly for landline and non-VZW wireless numbers; as it's unnecessary for VZW wireless numbers, which are free.)
3. Feature-itis vs. network reliability (common handsets). Let's look at the Blackberry Tour (it's a non-exclusive BB handset; currently offered by Sprint and AT&T Mobility in addition to VZW). The extra features that Sprint and AT&T Mobility add are largely reminders of how UNreliable the back-end of their network is (being able to make calls from hotspots tells ME that they don't have enough towers). Also, I actually prefer the Storm over the Tour (and my preference has nothing to do with price; the Tour has a traditional B keyboard, which is Rather Bulging; the Storm has SureTouch, which makes the Storm far more portable/concealable than the Tour or other traditional-keyboard BBs). Throw in bargain Storm pricing, and....cha-CHING! | |
|  |  |  |  | | Re: To Be Fair... I agree! I don't need a paperweight, I need a phone. For a while there (while with ATT) I actually had to use pay phones occasionally to make calls, it was so bad. I switched to a prepaid phone as soon as my contract expired and now use Straight Talk unlimited, which runs off the Verizon network. VZ's network is FAR superior in my home area. To hell with the latest gadgets, it's just another way to trap customers anyway. | |
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 HallPremium,MVM join:2000-04-28 Dayton, OH kudos:1 | Forced at gunpoint to sign-up ? Why do they even have to defend their "unsexy smartphone selection" ? Maybe people choose VZW for reasons other than .... -gasp- .... cool phones. Weird concept, ain't it ? | |
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2 edits | I'm on T-mo I remember my friends who had Verizon would be looking forward to new phones, that Verizon would cripple upon release. Verizon will have to get rid of the people or process that makes them hobble their devices, before they can stand up to the iPhone.
I like the idea of combining music player, GPS, phone, and general purpose computer. I don't like the mandatory data plans though. Nokia is coming out with another iPhone clone, the N900, that looks interesting to me.
P.S. I noticed the cell phone related stories get more traffic here than the broadband news  | |
|  |  patcat88 join:2002-04-05 Jamaica, NY kudos:1 | Re: I'm on T-mo said by axus:I remember my friends who had Verizon would be looking forward to new phones, that Verizon would cripple upon release. Verizon will have to get rid of the people or process that makes them hobble their devices, before they can stand up to the iPhone. Um. The iPhone is a crippled device. How about running your own apps out of the box? Jailbreak not apply. | |
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Fast forward to today - they got better but definitely crumbled under the load back in 2004. I ended up leaving them for Cingular and have been there since 04 - longest I've ever stayed with a carrier. Still carry the VZW phone for work - it's forwarded to my iPhone.
So, see Verizon would crumble under the load as well. It's just that they don't have it as AT&T is adding more heavy users than Verizon. That's OK - I've not had many issues with my AT&T.
And don't forget, Verizon only got to be the biggest this year with the purchase of Alltel.
I don't buy it - VZW is not tops on call quality (I can always tell when someone's on VZW), does not have the fewest dropped/garbled calls (I hear them quite regularly on conference calls, vm's, etc), and is generally not the best. | |
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| Re: In 2004 Haha, I fully understand -- My parents have Verizon and I can always tell. Garbled speech, you know, the works -- Great stuff. Only get that from Verizon. It's the people who have Verizon who constantly praise the network yet won't admit that their phones are crippled. They say that their "enhanced media" phones shouldn't be crippled.. NONE of their phones should be.
Verizon has great coverage, mostly -- but that doesn't mean they are the BEST OF THE BEST! :/ | |
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|  |  |  ThrowDemsOutIf you can't convince 'em, confuse 'emPremium join:2002-03-03 Mullica Hill, NJ kudos:4 | Re: Verizon weak on phones with desired features said by sameshtdd:Visual search is wrong it looks like, The Saga and Omnia both are touch screens and have Wifi. My fault. The bottom line should also have said "smartphone" too. | |
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1 new bb the storm 2 2 two new android devices and 3 four new win mobile devices
also look at the numbers Verizon has grown every quarter, there closest competition is At&t and if you took away there Iphone exclusive they would be loosing customers every quarter. This has not effected Verizon so I say the point is moot customers obviously choose function over form the numbers dont lie | |
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| Re: Verizon weak on phones with desired features You seem to forget something, though -- You can "take away their iPhone exclusive..."
but you can't. THEY have the iPhone, not verizon(...WHO, on the other hand, was offered the iphone. They declined it!)... I'm sure if Verizon had the iPhone, their network would be shot too. | |
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Another downside of their CDMA-based technology is that you can't do simultaneous voice and data. GSM-based 3G is capable of both. -- Voype | Telefónica (powered by Windows Live Call) | |
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 SteveConIBEW 2222 Boston, MAPremium join:2004-09-02 Burlington, MA | It's a phone - not an fashion statement! Cameras, SMS, Web browsing, TV... who'd have thought that this would ever be desirable on a sub - 2 inch screen?? It's a phone; not a fashion statement.
Need directions? Call someone who knows how to get there instead of firing up your mobile web browser while driving 40, 50 or more MPH on the road - preferably BEFORE you leave. The same goes for texting - call instead of texting.. cell operators love the *huge* profits you provide them when you text. A voice call is more efficient method of communication than SMS. The driver of the other car you might have struck will be grateful to you for keeping your eyes on the road instead of the tiny screen.
Sure, there are *some* folks that need a lot of these services, but come on - it seems like nearly *everyone* has a pretty lofty perception of themselves given the number of these type phones that are sold. The ability to reliably place and complete a cell call wherever I am trumps anything else a cellphone can do. The network consistently get stellar marks for quality and reliability - isn't that what it's really all about? Keep the camera, web browser, qwerty keyboard, tv tuner, etc. off of my phone. Having 10 digit keys, power and send is really all I need - I bet the same holds true for the *vast* majority of the rest of you, too. -- UNIONS: The anti-theft device for working people. | |
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 | | ok I think they have a good selection but whats coming soon within the next 60 days
1 htc touch diamond 2 2 motorola android 3 storm 2 4 Omnia 2 5 touch pro 2 (in the stores) 6 htc android phone
and a few more
early next year 1 palm pre 2 lg win mo 3 microsoft pink | |
|  | | Verizon offers weak phones They admit it their phones suck.
..Verizon spokesperson Brenda Raney says the carrier would rather focus on its network than on the gadgets that use it.
Keep in mind that for Verizon Wireless, it isnt so much about the device as it is about the delivery, she says. We have the nations largest 3G network so when we offer devices on our network, customers can be assured that they will deliver as promised.
Every time I get a new every two I pick up a dull phone."I guess I'll take this one" I grudgingly say to myself. Sometimes I wait and hold on to my new-every-two eligibility for a while, hoping for an exciting new phone to come out. It has not happened.
VZ apps suck too, except for the phone # backup.
I know I can switch carriers. | |
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I'll be updating »[Verizon] HTC Touch Pro 2 when I get a chance and after having spent a bit more time with it.
So far, I'm extremely happy with it both as a replacement for my TyTnII (XV6800) and for it's new features. Several people who know I've been with Verizon a long time say "Oh - you got an iPhone?? Switched to ATT?"
Not exactly. -- The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery.
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| whats missing The only phone missing from VZW smartphone line up is any type of PALM, and the iPhone. VZW has the same smart phones the other carriers do.
Keeping their phones standardized helps keep "the network" good.
Im no fan of crippling phones, but i dont think this article is fair. . | |
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| misquote? I think the article actually does state that they have been rather competitive with pricing...
Meanwhile, it is trying to win customers through some extremely competitive pricing. Consider the HTC Touch Pro 2 phone, a smartphone running the Windows Mobile operating system and targeted at business users. The device is available after a rebate and on contract with Sprint and T-Mobile for $350. On Verizon it costs $200. Verizon has also been running a buy one get one free promotion for its BlackBerry phones.
Most of Verizons current line up is below $100, says Greengart. If you go back a year this was not the case. Lately, Verizon has been very aggressive when it comes to pricing. (bold emphasis mine)
...Would seem the article here is a bit misleading on that point unless I missed something...
The quote that it's "..about the delivery" is also a decent stance to take I guess. It a rather obvious thing to say, but they do seem to back that up pretty well, so at least there is some substance there instead of wishful thinking.
On a personal note, I also prefer CDMA and dislike GSM for phone calls. Don't care if voice/data can be simultaneous or not. Someday, it'd be nice if a GOOD standard won out and all carriers moved to it. The choice to have ANY (certified) phone/device added would also, of course, be very nice. As long as TDMA isn't heavily involved, I'd probably be happy. Had a TDMA phone once and absolutely despised it; gave me headaches, made my car stereo buzz, dropped calls while on full signal standing/sitting still... GSM phones seem to be not much better than this since it's based on TDMA. Data wise, it seems a "combination" is being used in some cases, which is interesting. Perhaps a better standard is in the works (one can hope). | |
|  | | Satisfied With Network, Not With Phones I've had the exact opposite experience of a previous post where they had problems with Verizon in '04. I had Cingular from '99 - '03 and had spotty service. I switched to VZ late in '03 and have never had a problem with service. It's a reason that I grudgingly stay with them.
I like the idea of getting an iPhone largely due to the app store and its combination of features. The poor call quality I keep hearing about (and remembering) keeps me from switching -- after all, my primary need is a mobile phone. I've been eligible for a new phone for 9 months and haven't upgraded from my non-smart phone because I think the plans are overpriced and am opposed to VZ crippling the phones. Once I hear that AT&T quality is upgraded I'm bolting (assuming Verizon doesn't have an open version of the phone). | |
|  | | Verizon Not all that. Like I said, I have both and am on the other end on a lot of Verizon Wireless calls and they suck from a call quality stnadpoint. Very poor voice quality and too muffled sounding. There's dropouts and the overly aggressive echo canceler Verizon likes to use. And it's no wonder - they want to get rid of as much background noise as it eats up bandwidth on CDMA.
Now AT&T has a little more treble and some more background noise but you can always hear them loud and clear.
I think it's more brainwashing than anything. I've had most of them and Verizon is no better or worse than the others. | |
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| Re: Verizon Not all that. I agree. I've had both Verizon and AT&T and really can't say I had more network issues with one than the other. I think they're on pretty equal ground when it comes to voice and data network quality (although I do think the iPhone probably causes a lot more data congestion for AT&T now, but whether VZW could handle it any better is questionable). The deal breaker for me is that with AT&T, I can buy a GSM phone from anywhere, slip my SIM card in and have service. And it's very convenient when traveling internationally. | |
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|  RR ConductorHappy 40th AmtrakPremium join:2002-04-02 Redwood Valley, CA kudos:1 | STUPID article
This has to be the stupidest phone article I've ever read, Wired you need some new writers. -- You've got to stand for something, or you'll fall for anything. | |
|  | | oh realy ok number one i travel ALL the time, been through sprint ATT and now verizon ,and as of yet the on;y place i lost signal was my buddys house because he had a 1000 acers and didn't want any way to be bothered while there
and oh my having to pay for programs tell me what company dosn't charge you for extras | |
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