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Verizon Expands 7Mbps DSL Availability
Says the new tier is now available to 1.2 million homes
We broke the news back in 2006 that Verizon was testing a 7.1Mbps/768kbps DSL tier for markets where FiOS wasn't available. When they announced the new speed last January, they were rather cryptic as to where they were offering the service, and our users noted that internal Verizon systems and employees were rather confused, making ordering it rather difficult. Verizon today announced that they've substantially ramped up 7Mbps availability, from roughly 400,000 homes to 1.2 million:
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Some 1.2 million additional consumers in 12 Eastern states and the District of Columbia can now order the new ultra-fast Verizon High Speed Internet service, which provides an appealing alternative to cable Internet. . . The following locations are part of the 7 Mbps High Speed Internet expansion: Delaware, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, D.C., and West Virginia.
Verizon doesn't mention specific launch markets within those states because it would highlight deployment and competitive shortcomings. Our users have been tracking which communities can get the speed, and will likely help you if you ask. The tier costs $39.99 a month (plus the usual assortment of fees) if bundled with local phone service and a one-year contract.
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someone2
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Yawn

Too little too late.

I previous used Verizon 3mb DSL and switched to much faster 8mb cable.

Couldn't be more satisfied.

DaMaGeINC
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7mbps new?

Come on. Pathetic. This is 2008, we should not be offering anything below 10Mbps. That should be the min when it comes to all broadband.
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Re: 7mbps new?

I don't think anyone should have broadband unless they're licensed with certified IQ tests.

IQtests4all
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Re: 7mbps new?

said by bogey7806:

I don't think anyone should have broadband unless they're licensed with certified IQ tests.
Yeah, as long as the cutoff point is one std. deviation above average... That would knock off you and most other people and a leave a less cluttered, faster internet. No more bandwidth wasted on inane blogs, ugly-ass MySpace pages and fewer lame, waste of bandwidth videos on Youtube. Hear, hear for a better signal-to-noise ratio!!!
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quote:
I don't think anyone should have broadband unless they're licensed with certified IQ tests.
your the reason this is taking so long...
by the time the self declared smarter than all butthole allows bandwidth for the real people to let thier smarts fly, gas will be 5 bucks a gallon, and civil wars announced.

feel free to make you tube vids kids, as retarded as someone elses opinion...

feel free feel free.
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Its pretty rare that I need so much download. Upload, on the other hand, is way too slow. I'll stick with my 3Mbps until they give the 7Mbps tier at least 1Mb upload. Comcast is pretty sucky with the upload, Cox was great though.

telcotech
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Re: 7mbps new?

said by axus:

Its pretty rare that I need so much download. Upload, on the other hand, is way too slow. I'll stick with my 3Mbps until they give the 7Mbps tier at least 1Mb upload. Comcast is pretty sucky with the upload, Cox was great though.
I'm curious about people complaining about upload speeds. It seems to me that the vast majority of people do not need it. I wonder if you looked at your own internet usage, how much have you uploaded in a month vs. how much you downloaded? It seems to me that tapping a few keys or a mouse click or two causes not more than a couple (hundered?) bytes sent or uploaded to retrieve kilo, mega and even giga bytes in return.

Where outside of R&D centers, campuses, and government agencies, etc. that collaborate on large projects over great distances, is a large upload bandwidth really needed? I don't mean students on campus sharing movies, etc. over popular P2P networks here or others that want to violate their ISP's TOS by running a server.. but what are you doing that requires high bandwidth upload capacities?

I'm sure there are a few that really do need it - but are there that many out there that I see bemoaning slow upload rates?

rbrussell82
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Re: 7mbps new?

This is talking about the upload speeds, not how much bandwidth is required. I run a few remote websites and file servers, and I'm always uploading files to them from home, so the low upload speed really sucks for that. It might not be much traffic, but when I'm uploading a multi-megabyte file and it takes a long time, that's what I don't like.

Stuff like Remote Desktop would also be much better with faster uploads if I need to access my home computer from work. It would also help with my Slingbox
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Re: 7mbps new?

said by rbrussell82:

This is talking about the upload speeds, not how much bandwidth is required. I run a few remote websites and file servers, and I'm always uploading files to them from home, so the low upload speed really sucks for that. It might not be much traffic, but when I'm uploading a multi-megabyte file and it takes a long time, that's what I don't like.

Stuff like Remote Desktop would also be much better with faster uploads if I need to access my home computer from work. It would also help with my Slingbox
running your own websites and servers it what a BUSINESS ACCOUNT is for. Try reading the TOS of your ISP.

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Re: 7mbps new?

said by 88615298:

said by rbrussell82:

This is talking about the upload speeds, not how much bandwidth is required. I run a few remote websites and file servers, and I'm always uploading files to them from home, so the low upload speed really sucks for that. It might not be much traffic, but when I'm uploading a multi-megabyte file and it takes a long time, that's what I don't like.

Stuff like Remote Desktop would also be much better with faster uploads if I need to access my home computer from work. It would also help with my Slingbox
running your own websites and servers it what a BUSINESS ACCOUNT is for. Try reading the TOS of your ISP.
Try reading his post. He's not running a web server on his home connection, he's uploading files to his website FROM HOME.

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Re: 7mbps new?

Exactly, thank you MattE.

I know Slingbox and Remote Desktop could be considered a type of server, but its nothing like running your own website.

My work is on a T1 line and our website is hosted on it, sometimes I work at home on the website and need to upload files or VPN to work, this would be MUCH faster with a faster upload speed.
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said by Matt3:

said by 88615298:

said by rbrussell82:

This is talking about the upload speeds, not how much bandwidth is required. I run a few remote websites and file servers, and I'm always uploading files to them from home, so the low upload speed really sucks for that. It might not be much traffic, but when I'm uploading a multi-megabyte file and it takes a long time, that's what I don't like.

Stuff like Remote Desktop would also be much better with faster uploads if I need to access my home computer from work. It would also help with my Slingbox
running your own websites and servers it what a BUSINESS ACCOUNT is for. Try reading the TOS of your ISP.
Try reading his post. He's not running a web server on his home connection, he's uploading files to his website FROM HOME.
I did

"I run a few remote websites and file servers, and I'm always uploading files to them from home,"

Sound like he's using his HOME connection for business to me.

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Re: 7mbps new?

He runs a few remote websites and file servers. He uploads files to those servers from home. Therefore, his servers are not on his home connection.

james dargando
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try reading his post next time. nowhere does he imply he's using his home connection as a web server; rather, he is uploading files from his home connection to his web host and he doesn't like how long it takes to upload.

if he was hosting a website at home, why would he need to upload files to his web server?

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This is, after all, dsl, and 7mbps over dsl is great for the price compared to its cable counterparts. The standard comcast 6mbps/384k is $52/month if you don't subscribe to their cable tv.

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Try sending a bunch of 10 megapixel candid shots of your kid's birthday party to their grandparents.

Or that digital home video of the same.

Or sending large PDFs.

Or video chat.

Try working online from home while others in the house are doing any of the above if all you have is 384 up.

It is a painful experience.

There are multitudes of legitimate non-business needs for more than a piddly upload.

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said by telcotech:
said by axus:

Where outside of R&D centers, campuses, and government agencies, etc. that collaborate on large projects over great distances, is a large upload bandwidth really needed? I don't mean students on campus sharing movies, etc. over popular P2P networks here or others that want to violate their ISP's TOS by running a server.. but what are you doing that requires high bandwidth upload capacities?

I'm sure there are a few that really do need it - but are there that many out there that I see bemoaning slow upload rates?

ME! I BEMOAN UPLOAD RATES! See my 2003 post (when I had 1mb UPLOAD! »Re: Capping Discussion Here Only - Part 6 ) Now, I have 1 and 2 GB cards, and can have 800-1600 photos to upload to Kodak after a busy day shooting, WHY even with my 2mb upload does it take so long!! (Capping isn't a issue anymore, they stopped capping users for excessive uploads.)

And for other reasons, this thread segment also from 2003: »Re: Capping Posts.......

(Oh and as an aside, I qualified for 8mb DSL from Bell Atlantic back in 2000....so, I think that this verizon thing is just bull unless it's very cheap compared to back then when it was expensive and in excess of $100 a month, but the upload is less than what I get today with cable (15/2mbps) and if I spent $10/mo more (aka $55/mo), I could get 30/5mbps.)

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quote:
I'll stick with my 3Mbps until they give the 7Mbps tier at least 1Mb upload
It's probably not going to happen without an upgrade to ADSL2+ or something better. Verizon's 3/768 and 7/768 tiers are "over-capped" to compensate for ATM overhead, and are fairly close to the ADSL1 "standard" maximum upload of 896kbps.

I think there have been some instances of tweaking the ADSL1 spec to get better uploads (Sprint ION comes to mind). But I think Verizon's 7/768 plan is pretty much the end of the road for standard DSL.
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Re: 7mbps new?

Standard upload for Qwest DSL with 1.5, 5, and 7 meg lines is 896k. 3 meg has a 640k upload and 256k has a 256k upload.

The standard supports up to 1024k for the upstream but on any normal circuits it's difficult to get.

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keep in mind not everyone needs that kind of service. they will needs a slow and lower cost service for mom and pop. there is alot of people who check email only. they dont need 10 mb.

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Re: 7mbps new?

said by jt66 :

keep in mind not everyone needs that kind of service. they will needs a slow and lower cost service for mom and pop. there is alot of people who check email only. they dont need 10 mb.
This is a logical fallacy.

Of course they need 10Mbit, both up and down. Even my daughter's 60-year old grandparents send tons and tons of photos. If everyone had 10Mbit connections to send/receive, they would obviously be able to send and receive their pictures faster. If everyone had 10Mbit, sending home videos starts to become feasible as well.

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Re: 7mbps new?

I wonder if these speeds will then be offered by resellers?? I could sure do with an upgrade from this 3/768. And $40/mo? Thats what Im paying now so it wouldnt hurt. Yeah 7Mbps may be slow to you Cable users, but its much better than this 3Mbps (and best of all, its CHEAPER). And I couldnt care less about the upload.
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Re: 7mbps new?

7.1/768 is in no way a new tier. It may be a new offering on Verizon's network itself, but other DSL ISP's which connect with Verizon circuits to provide DSL to Verizon phone customers have been able to get 7.1/768 for several years now. Heck I had a local DSL ISP in 2004 and I had 7.1/768 then.
In fact I never have understood why Verizon online itself never offered 7.1/768 to it's customers, when other DSL providers, such as DSL extreme, who connect with the same Verizon equipment, offered the package to their users. You'd think Verizon online would want to offer that tier to it's users, since after all the DSLam's can already do it and are already doing those packages with other providers.
Regarding faster upstream, I think we all could use more of that. People want to do more online, whether that be high quality streaming audio/video, file backup, or whatever, the internet is not one way, and should be treated as a true 2 way network, where one can both send and receive data at a respectable speed.
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This coming from someone who is stealing internet to start with

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Re: 7mbps new?

I wouldnt mind... heck, my parents think 768K is fine, and I have a hard time making them pay the extra 15 bux for 3/768, let alone $25. A lot of people don't need multi-megabit uploads, which cable doesnt provide consistently anyway. Anyway, 7.1/768 for an uncapped, un throttled (READ: All you comcastic users..) is a pretty damn good deal.
Could the upload be better? Sure, and I'm sure it will, with the increased deployment of ADSL2+. Heck, I'm writing this over an ADSL2+ enabled line.
Peace,
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say that to AT&T

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said by DaMaGeINC:

Come on. Pathetic. This is 2008, we should not be offering anything below 10Mbps. That should be the min when it comes to all broadband.
Uh..... Lets see.. Verizon is offering Verizon FIOS 20, 30, 50 mbps packages... Places that can't get FIOS are still being serviced with DSL... So I don't see how Verizon is pathetic to offer more bandwidth to existing DSL customers.... If anything, they should be applauded... There is only so much bandwidth you can pull out of a century old copper phone network using DSL technology.

-Tzale

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Re: 7mbps new?

said by Tzale:

There is only so much bandwidth you can pull out of a century old copper phone network using DSL technology.

-Tzale
I don't think AT&T ever got that memo unfortunately.

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said by DaMaGeINC:

Come on. Pathetic. This is 2008, we should not be offering anything below 10Mbps.
ADSL technology limits are 8192kbps down, 896kbps upload

DaMaGeINC
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Re: 7mbps new?

Then thats a technology that is done for and dieing.

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Wonder when AT&T is going to jump on board(768k upload).

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Techology vs Limitation

So is this increase above the 6 MB DSL barrier a new technology thing or is Verizon the first DSL provider to offer speeds above the standard 6 MB limit for competitive purposes? I don't keep up with DSL tech much so am curious.

For me I'm happy with my better than T-1 speeds at home with my Comcastic 16/2 connection.

•••

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Same old...

Why does this site continue to post DSL news? All it does is bring out the anti-Verizon crowd... It's not like Verizon is saying that DSL is the next generation broadband solution... It's simply helping people who don't have any other option right now...

-Tzale

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Re: Same old...

said by Tzale:

All it does is bring out the anti-Verizon crowd... It's not like Verizon is saying that DSL is the next generation broadband solution... It's simply helping people who don't have any other option right now...

-Tzale
Very wise words. There are those of us that are sandwhiched around big providers, ie Charter, Cox, Verizon, but have a small local cable company or AT&T DSL. For the local cable companies 6mb service I was paying alot more. I get 5.2 down on my Elite service and around 650 up and it is a nice stable connection which is great for VoIP.

I don't mind the DSL news as this is good news for alot of people.

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Ex-GTE screwed like usual.

1500/348. Nothing more, maybe less.
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rofl nice try(read my review of isp's in my profile)

When i moved into my house nearly 5 years ago they offered 7.1 to me. I took the three. Then my bandwidth got chopped. After more than one snide comment form technical support i jumped to comcast. I have doubled my bandwidth in both directions for the same money as my dsl. Now they are offering the 7.1 to try to keep up with cable where fios is not being deployed yet..not going to happen for at least 10 months here.

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7.1

and no mention about So Cal guys gettin any love... lameee.
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Re: 7.1

Socal guy here...just got fios 2 months ago...stable 15/2 conection.
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dang skippy we are the red-headed step-child for Ver-krappen...especially if they are the ONLY provider in the area.