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Verizon FIOS GPON in Nine States
New installs in those states now all GPON
by Karl Bode 09:07AM Wednesday Jan 09 2008 Tipped by traitors See Profile
Verizon has long told us they'll eventually migrate their FiOS network from BPON to GPON (Gigabit Passive Optical Network) fiber technology. Their current BPON technology splits 622Mbps downstream and 155Mbps upstream among 32 users. GPON technology will allow them to offer 2.4Gbps downstream and 1.2Gbps upstream among 32-64 users (eliminating ATM, making it also more efficient).

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The company has been testing the technology in a number of communities, with some employees having 100Mbps access. According to Verizon, they've initially focused on California, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island, Pennsylvania, Virginia and Texas. They're now saying GPON deployment will ramp up substantially in 2008, and all new installs in those States will be GPON.

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You likely won't see any new speeds at first, as the upgrades are a way to "future proof" the network. 100Mbps connectivity may emerge eventually, but even Verizon admits that such a speed is more a marketing weapon than anything else at this point. When it is deployed, Verizon says limited demand will have them employing the over-subscription model.

"Both B-PON and now G-PON give us all the headroom we need to continue evolving our products to meet growing customer demand for more bandwidth, both downstream and upstream," says Verizon Mark Wegleitner, Verizon Telecom's senior vice president-technology. "However, moving to technologies like G-PON helps ensure that we stay ahead of the competition."

The folks over at the Verizon Policy Blog continue to shrug off Comcast's promise of 160Mbps connectivity, given GPON upgrades theoretically allow them to offer speeds up to 400Mbps. As we mentioned yesterday, Verizon also has the initial advantage that pre-certification DOCSIS 3.0 gear can't yet offer faster upstream tiers, which means that symmetrical FiOS is a real competitive boon for the folks at Verizon for the next few years.

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cableties
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The tubes are full!!

I just recall that AT&T Whitacre fool crying the "tubes are gonna burst"... yet really?

Funny, all that upgrading and yet, websites are gonna load up more junk to quagmire it.

Stream you? Stream me!

telcolackey5
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Death Valley, CA

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Re: The tubes are full!!

said by cableties:

I just recall that AT&T Whitacre fool crying the "tubes are gonna burst"... yet really?
Just because your driveway is really, really wide doesn't mean you can get to the city any faster during rush hour.

Matt3
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Re: The tubes are full!!

said by telcolackey5:

said by cableties:

I just recall that AT&T Whitacre fool crying the "tubes are gonna burst"... yet really?
Just because your driveway is really, really wide doesn't mean you can get to the city any faster during rush hour.
Amen brother.

kyler13
Is your fiber grounded?

join:2006-12-12
Arnold, MD
No, but you and your wife can leave at the same time in the morning. Bandwidth is often confused as being purely about speed when in fact it's just as much about capacity.

Matt3
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Re: The tubes are full!!

said by kyler13:

No, but you and your wife can leave at the same time in the morning. Bandwidth is often confused as being purely about speed when in fact it's just as much about capacity.
Yeah, but one of you still has to wait when the road narrows to one lane.

I think his point was, unless the band-end (back haul) infrastructure is upgraded, the last mile upgrades don't matter. For pure internet speed anyway.

Luckily, it seems like Verizon has been pretty good about upgrading their back hauls if necessary, or at least planning for a reasonable over subscription ratio.

kyler13
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Arnold, MD

Re: The tubes are full!!

All I know is that over my 15 Mbps connection, I can't get more than 3Mbps on a download from Microsoft's HD WMV content site. But I can download 5 large files simultaneously at 3 Mbps.

KCrimson
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Re: The tubes are full!!

said by kyler13:

All I know is that over my 15 Mbps connection, I can't get more than 3Mbps on a download from Microsoft's HD WMV content site. But I can download 5 large files simultaneously at 3 Mbps.
Is it only Microsoft's site, or is that for all distant sites? Have you tried something like apple.com that also has large files available from the left coast?
LowRider

join:2006-06-23
Douglasville, GA

Re: The tubes are full!!

said by KCrimson:

said by kyler13:

All I know is that over my 15 Mbps connection, I can't get more than 3Mbps on a download from Microsoft's HD WMV content site. But I can download 5 large files simultaneously at 3 Mbps.
Is it only Microsoft's site, or is that for all distant sites? Have you tried something like apple.com that also has large files available from the left coast?
its not just your download that makes it fast, you could have a 1,000,000meg's down and still receive the same. the person your downloading from needs a fast upload connection for you to get a fast download, and also u have the distance and all that technical BS to.

KCrimson
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Re: The tubes are full!!

You replied to me - I was the one asking the question about whether he tried to download large files from other distant servers. Didn't you think that I asked that question for precisely the reason that you are attempting to explain?

Anyway... I tried a download from Microsoft's HD WMV content server - I too am seeing about 350KB//sec - it's Microsoft's pipe that needs Drano or a wide bore snake. I downloaded a 165MB disk image from apple.com and got over 2.1 MB/sec (also on the west coast).

kyler13
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Arnold, MD

Re: The tubes are full!!

You guys missed my point entirely. I was limited to a 3Mbps download speed per file by Microsoft, but I was able to download multiple files from Microsoft, each at 3Mbps. Obviously the pipe between Microsoft and myself was wide enough, and Microsoft may have been speed limiting individual downloads. It's just an example where greater bandwidth is useful for multiple simultaneous connections.
bunklung

join:2002-07-13
Northampton, MA
said by telcolackey5:

said by cableties:

I just recall that AT&T Whitacre fool crying the "tubes are gonna burst"... yet really?
Just because your driveway is really, really wide doesn't mean you can get to the city any faster during rush hour.
The analogy with Fios is more so:
Just because your driveway, neighborhood streets, and county roads are really really wide, doesn't mean you can get to the city in another jurisdiction any faster during rush hour.

Within Verizon's network, whether it's last mile, regonal, or long haul, they designed it from the ground up.

If we were talking about other network technologies, that oversubscribe, advertise higher rates then available, use vines and sand to throttle traffic, nontransparent caps, or share last mile connections amongst 250 to 500 people... Well, then I'd totally follow your analogy. I'd probably add one more thing about the pavement being pitted or something

KrazyDawg

join:2001-02-07
San Francisco, CA
Maybe they're getting ready to add more HD channels and offer their own version of On Demand.
tmc8080

join:2004-04-24
Brooklyn, NY

Symmetric speeds... thats's what fiber can do, not docsis 2.

Verizon might as well sync their packages...

15/15
30/30

20/20
50/50
100/100

Unless you go for 50/50, 100/100.. you don't need a gpon, just yet.

JeepMatt
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Re: Symmetric speeds... thats's what fiber can do, not docsis 2.

So they pick PA,NJ,MD and NY but not DE?? Wow...another brainy criteria selection from VZ.

N3OGH
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Re: Symmetric speeds... thats's what fiber can do, not docsis 2.

Lighten up, Francis.

I'm 2 miles north of you in PA, and I STILL can't get Fios.

Half the town has it, the other half doesn't. All the conduit was installed 6 months ago, and still nothing.

Verizon blames "equipment delays" for the lack of deployment.

Besides, Delaware wasn't left out of the 7MB residential DSL deployment, as a matter of fact, you guys were the trial area.....
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JeepMatt
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Re: Symmetric speeds... thats's what fiber can do, not docsis 2.

Francis?? Lol...it's Matt.

I was just joking anyway. Why would I ever need more than the 15/15 connection I have now?

(Yes, I know some people out there need it, just not me)
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N3OGH
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Re: Symmetric speeds... thats's what fiber can do, not docsis 2.

I'm joking too.

The Francis reference is from the movie "Stripes".

As a matter of fact, a local Philly area band was called "Don't call me Francis".

»www.francisband.com/

They used to play the Colosseum before it closed. Don't know if they're any good....
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PGHammer

join:2003-06-09
Accokeek, MD
They may have included DE with MD *and* PA (remember, DE is a rather small state).

Also, in other news, FIOS has pushed further south in the Old Line State (with Charles County, MD seeing their first deployments). Once they push into St. Mary's and Calvert Counties, only the Eastern Short and far central and western Maryland will be left here (Carroll County, Frederick, and points west).

Chris 313
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said by tmc8080:

Verizon might as well sync their packages...

15/15
30/30

20/20
50/50
100/100

Unless you go for 50/50, 100/100.. you don't need a gpon, just yet.
No kidding.

10/10
20/20
30/30
50/50

Would be my plan with 100/100 in testing. But I do think that it's stupid to oversubscribe something like 100/100, especially if you pay a premium price and expect to use the service.

HarleyYac
Lee
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20/20 here.. Problem is most sites can't give it to me fast enough. I really think anything for the average user 20/5 is fine
Lee

morbo
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investors, take note: "future proof"

there are many posts on this site that attempt to paint the general consensus here at dslreports.com that Verizon's strategy is superior than pretty much anything else being deployed in this country -- as nothing but fanboy love. in reality, i believe it is the desire to DO IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME and the future proofing that many believe is a smart strategy.

KrazyDawg

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Re: investors, take note: "future proof"

I agree. Invest early on ahead of the competition and they'll be so far behind they can't catch up. Eventually, a greater need and demand will come for this service.

ztmike
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*yawns*

I will probably be 40 years old by the time my city gets fiber..if at all.

Probably have better luck with Comcast getting me fiber by then.
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Lee
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Re: *yawns*

EAsy kid.. I'm over Forty.. You may like it LOL

STrRedWolf

join:2006-06-18
Severn, MD

BPON/GPON

So when do we get those possible bumps or upgrades to the equipment we have already?

Jodokast96
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Maybe...

DOCIS 10.0 will be able to compare?
DX21881

join:2007-10-10
Jersey City, NJ

this doesnt matter

doesnt make a difference for me because fios is still not available to me in Jersey
Bio_Hazard

join:2005-06-10
Lake Isabella, CA

Re: this doesnt matter

I live in Cali and where I live there are only two companies to get broadband from, Mediacom and Verizon. I don't think we are going to be getting fios any time soon.

C0deZer0
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BPON, GPON...

So is the next version going to be a QPON?

kyler13
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Re: BPON, GPON...

Actually, WDM-PON. Think 2.4Gbps dedicated to your house and not shared with 32 or 64 homes.

morbo
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Re: BPON, GPON...

gimme

KCrimson
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4 months too late, not proactive at all...

I've been reading about Verizon's GPON transition since before Verizon started to offer FiOS in Brooklyn, NY in August. I'm one of the few customers that signed up immediately when it became available. There are perhaps 6 FiOS cusomers on my entire upscale residential block (I'm in Bergen Beach - a neighborhood with many amazing homes). Since installation I've been scratching my head as to why they didn't deply GPON, and now wondering why people are congratulating them now for being proactive. Brooklyn, NY has GOT to be the most densely populated area that Verizon has deployed FiOS to date (and it will remain so until Manhattan is deployed). I don't think it was proactive, but rather reactive to cable competition's continual domination.
I can't wait to hear whether the Ave. R CO which is being wired as I type will have customers using GPON ONT's or not - I bet they're going to be BPON since the CO was probably equipped before this anouncement.
wev567

join:2006-02-25
Pittsburgh, PA

Re: 4 months too late, not proactive at all...

Think they've been testing the technology for some time, and probably waiting for equipment to be standardized and manufactured. Of course, they could have stopped all FiOS design and installation while waiting for the latest upgrades, making you wait even longer.

The upgrade from BPON to GPON will be soon. Meanwhile, enjoy what you are gonna get.

Rob A
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Pompton Plains, NJ

Doesn't mean jack...

Without fios at all in my area! Come on VZ!

Jake_anon

@verizon.net

GPon vs. BPon

If they stick with 32 houses/fiber then its
75/37.5 before they even have to think of oversubscribing

At splt 64 its
37.5/18.75 again BEFORE oversubscribing....

with even 5:1 oversubscribing (at 64 split) they could do

187/93.75

So yeah 100/100 is pretty easy to do with Gpon and 200/200 (with 32 split) are both realistic....
nozzer

join:2004-06-25
Waltham, MA

surely the reason for GPON

is not for "internet" but HD VOD (which runs over IP)

Darth Chim

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A little off topic...

When is VZ going to offer a router with FiOS that has GIG-E ports? Wireless-N?
tmc8080

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Fastest in the marketplace..

How is there really going to be any incentive for Verizon to throw out new higher speeds without anything new from the competition?

GPON will be essential if Verizon plans on offering symmetric tiers going forward beyond 30mbit. This is what Docsis 3 threatens to be capable of.. but no isp is committing to faster internet speeds just yet..