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Verizon Fesses Up To $1.99 Bogus Fee Problem
Says they'll refund $50 million, though that may get them off easy
by Karl Bode Monday 04-Oct-2010 tags: business · wireless · Op/Ed · Oddities · consumers
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For some time we've been tracking how Verizon has been socking customers with a $1.99 data access fee on many phones -- which was incurred by users even if the phone was off or the battery was dead. Even users who had data access on their phones blocked were socked by the fee -- given that the message sent to users to tell them they couldn't get data consumed 0.06 kilobytes of data -- resulting in a $1.99 data fee.

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The fee was first exposed by the Cleveland Plain Dealer last year. It only gained the FCC's attention after David Pogue at the NY Times posted a column featuring a Verizon insider -- who claimed Verizon was aware of the glitch -- but was too in love with the millions in additional revenue it generated to do anything about it.

Last December the news reports caught the FCC's attention, and the agency sent a letter requesting that Verizon explain themselves. Amazingly, despite employee leaks, thousands of impacted customers, multiple press reports, and the fact Verizon was already giving out refunds for the problem to Ohio customers -- Verizon told the FCC the problem wasn't happening:

Usage fees are not charged when a customer simply launches the Internet browser and lands on the Verizon Wireless Mobile Web homepage, which is the default setting.

After Verizon's response, things quieted down and the FCC began a more thorough investigation. Apparently that investigation was about to reveal the fruits of its labor, given that over the weekend, Verizon issued a press statement acknowledging their over billing was very real. As such, Verizon says they're going to be refunding an estimated 15 million users who have been billed for data for years -- when no data use was happening:

As we reviewed customer accounts, we discovered that over the past several years approximately 15 million customers who did not have data plans were billed for data sessions on their phones that they did not initiate. These customers would normally have been billed at the standard rate of $1.99 per megabyte for any data they chose to access from their phones. The majority of the data sessions involved minor data exchanges caused by software built into their phones; others included accessing certain web links, which should not have incurred charges. We have addressed these issues to avoid unintended data charges in the future.

According to Verizon, "in most cases" the overbilling resulted in charges of $2-$6, but you can assume many customers paid considerably more than that. While it's nice to see Verizon finally pony up to the mistake, the Cleveland Plain Dealer was covering this story in early 2009, meaning it took Verizon more than a year and a half to finally identify and acknowledge a problem that was generating massive additional revenue.

So on to the math. Assuming Verizon is right and it was only fifteen million users, multiply those fifteen million users times $1.99 a month (at least) for the past several years and you'll get quite an impressive total. The 50 million dollars Verizon is estimating as their payout may be the deal of the century for Verizon.

In an alternate universe where the Times didn't generate publicity and an FCC letter by piggybacking on the work of Cleveland Plain Dealer reporter Teresa Dixon Murray -- would Verizon have noticed and corrected a billing problem generating them tens of millions in additional monthly revenue? Did Verizon notice the billing problems and simply decide to not try very hard to resolve them?

Update, correction: We also noticed that the FCC issued a statement (pdf) noting that they've been investigating Verizon for ten months already. Says the FCC:

"We're gratified to see Verizon agree to finally repay its customers. But questions remain as to why it
took Verizon two years to reimburse its customers and why greater disclosure and other corrective actions did not come much, much sooner. The Enforcement Bureau will continue to explore these issues, including the possibility of additional penalties, to ensure that all companies prioritize the interests of consumers when billing problems occur."


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jchambers28

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pay back time

The should be forced to pay back every penny to the consumer.

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Re: pay back time

said by jchambers28:

The should be forced to pay back every penny to the consumer.
Sounds like that is what they are doing.

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Re: pay back time

Do the math and notice the difference between $90 million and what two years of this error could potential earn them.

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Re: pay back time

said by Karl Bode:

Do the math and notice the difference between $90 million and what two years of this error could potential earn them.
But Verizon has the database of who was charged that extra $1.99 in a month. Not all their customers were so charged. What it could potentially be is pure speculation. Maybe those suing Verizon over this should ask for an independent audit of the billing records.
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Not to mention the interest accrued from that $90+ million over the years. Even after the refunds, Verizon makes a hefty profit from this bogus fee.

en102
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Yeah - that's the part of the problem.

1. 90 million over 2 years = lots of money / month
2. Accountability - if they have been denying it all along, and the company is now going to have to show a 45million/year gap, they'll add a new fee to make up for it.
3. How much interest would that accrue ?
4. Penalties/fines. VZW shouldn't be getting off the hook this easy - it was 'deny deny deny' - any problems until it started to be investigated - AFTER it went public. I'd expect a penalty of at least as much as the 90 million that was effectively 'stolen' in addition to the amount that has to be paid back.
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Karl Bode
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Re: pay back time

Sorry I was wrong! Estimates suggest Verizon is proposing $50 million, not $90m.

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said by Romney2012:

said by jchambers28:

The should be forced to pay back every penny to the consumer.
Sounds like that is what they are doing.
$90m/$1.99 is only \approx 45million instances. given the size that vzw likes to advertise their network as being -- and many people complaining of multiple hits -- i think vzw is getting off *very* easily.

however, this is the typical corporate trick -- after pressure builds, hold a focus group about what the commoners think is a lot of money -- offer a little bit above that to appear benevolent -- then speak nothing more of it again, all while appearing like you're trying to make everything right. six months from now -- i have a feeling there will be another bogus fee that appears on cellular bills. call me cynical...

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Re: pay back time

said by tubbynet:

said by Romney2012:

said by jchambers28:

The should be forced to pay back every penny to the consumer.
Sounds like that is what they are doing.
$90m/$1.99 is only \approx 45million instances. given the size that vzw likes to advertise their network as being -- and many people complaining of multiple hits -- i think vzw is getting off *very* easily.
I was one of the people affected before I canceled Verizon last May and I was hit multiple times (they even sent me another bill just for the fee after I canceled my service...)

If it's been happening since then I'd bet they owe a lot more than $50 mil.

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said by Romney2012:

said by jchambers28:

The should be forced to pay back every penny to the consumer.
Sounds like that is what they are doing.
up to 90%

I say 100%

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said by jchambers28:

The should be forced to pay back every penny to the consumer.
They should be forced to pay back every penny plus interest....
gorehound

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i am one of those who should be payed.numerous times they did this to me and my phone has data disabled.
i only use it as a cell phone not a smart phone.
big corporate asses like the rest of them

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Re: pay back time

said by gorehound:

big corporate asses like the rest of them
No, in the telco world VZ is notably worse in the realm of fraud and corruption of legislation.
mlcarson

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They should be required to pay treble damages since it's obvious that Verizon was aware of the problem and tried to profit from it. Simply paying back a subset of the money is not what should happen for there to be any justice.

said by jchambers28:

The should be forced to pay back every penny to the consumer.
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Disgusting

quote:
These customers would normally have been billed at the standard rate of $1.99 per megabyte for any data they chose to access from their phones.
Quite disgusting profit. Amazing why anyone would give Verizon Wireless any business.

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Re: Disgusting

Best cell network in the area - I have never gotten the fee either in the 4-5 years with Verizon. Only thing I wish was a family plan with less minutes - we have 4 phones between my wife and I and her parents. We never use more than 270 minutes of the 750 in the plan.
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Re: Disgusting

Same issue here. 3 phones on family plan and we rarely go over 200 minutes. Almost everyone we call on our cell phones is also on Verizon. I'm glad I can get unlimited texting though because my daughter sends and receives at least 100 a day. And texting is blocked on her phone from 8am-3pm and 9pm-6am.

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said by CylonRed:

Best cell network in the area - I have never gotten the fee either in the 4-5 years with Verizon. Only thing I wish was a family plan with less minutes - we have 4 phones between my wife and I and her parents. We never use more than 270 minutes of the 750 in the plan.
This is one reason I went with AT&T - 550 minutes family plan. We use probably 30 minutes a month, the rest being mobile to mobile. Verizon wanted $70 for 700 minutes minimum... plus $30 for the data plan! OUr cell phone bill crept up to almost $150. Couldn't take it anymore.

I sacrifice some coverage but I'm paying less than half of what I was paying before. I do miss the coverage and superior CDMA network though!

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Re: Disgusting

We don't have a data plan so ours is $104\month for the 4 phones.

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Re: Disgusting

It looks like someone has played a prank on you and swapped your backslash and slash keys, for nowhere in English is backslash used, except for maybe texts dealing with computing.

As for the "never happened to me" you mentioned before, I was quite the same way when I occupied an apartment in south Buffalo, NY. I heard all sorts of tales about how DSLReports.com people's homes were magically moved thousands of feet away from Verizon wirecenters. Then it happened to me. According to their records, I went from about 13K to something over 16K wire feet from their CO. Ergo, they dropped my ADSL data rate commensurate with being more than 15Kft. -- namely the 768K/128K package, where previously I was on 1.5M/384K. It seemed to me to be their way of saving money on capacity to the Internet, as well as lessening the load on their DSLAM. And of course there was the time when first installing DSL that they somehow scheduled a premises visit -- just not with me -- on a self-installation order. And therefore they tried to charge me a "missed premises visit" fee, leading me to ask, not in so many words, what part of "self-install" did you not understand?

I'm with quite a few others wondering how these clowns manage to stay in business at all sometimes.
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Re: Disgusting

quote:
It looks like someone has played a prank on you and swapped your backslash and slash keys, for nowhere in English is backslash used, except for maybe texts dealing with computing.
I know of no hard and fast rules about back or front slashes...

Moving DSL lines is not just a Verizon thing - users from many ILECs reported the same thing. So much so that users were warned at DSLR not to change their DSL service for fear it would cause problems like that and others reported issues to the ISP who in turn reported it to the ILEC. The ILEC would 'fix' it yet..... Their line was suddenly 3K more feet away.
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said by CylonRed:

quote:
It looks like someone has played a prank on you and swapped your backslash and slash keys, for nowhere in English is backslash used, except for maybe texts dealing with computing.
I know of no hard and fast rules about back or front slashes...
From »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backslash :
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Re: Disgusting

I know it's a rule in several of the forums to not comment on another poster's grammar. Can we have a no grammar police rule for the news section as well?

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Re: Disgusting

said by thegeek:

I know it's a rule in several of the forums to not comment on another poster's grammar.
Here here. Oph toppic and minor trole behavior it is.
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You cannot win when it comes to wireless service. You forgot to add an additional 21% for taxes and mostly non regulated crap charges added to your $70.00 per month bill for your current plan, which would add more than $14.00 per month to your bill. On the other hand if one does a lot of mobile to mobile and night and weekend calling, prepaid would probably cost a lot more. For every call from a prepaid handset to prepaid handset call the cost is two minutes per minute. The way I did the math was to download our total minutes used each month and then multiplied it by the cost per minute. That gave me the total cost per month for a prepaid plan.

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said by Network Guy:

quote:
These customers would normally have been billed at the standard rate of $1.99 per megabyte for any data they chose to access from their phones.
Quite disgusting profit. Amazing why anyone would give Verizon Wireless any business.
Because they offer superior coverage.

I am with AT&T now because I need to cut costs but I do miss having the best coverage around.
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Re: Disgusting

said by fifty nine:


Because they offer superior coverage.

Meh.. I don't need good cell reception that bad. Maybe time to stop talking on the phone so much.

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Re: Disgusting

said by Network Guy:

said by fifty nine:


Because they offer superior coverage.

Meh.. I don't need good cell reception that bad. Maybe time to stop talking on the phone so much.
I use probably 30 minutes per month. Is that too much?

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I would love to yack less on my cell phone, unfortunately, that's just not going to happen any time soon....
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Re: Disgusting

and I'm one of those people. 2,000 minutes in one month!

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stopped giving them business years ago when I found another company that offered the same(plan) for less. Having stellar coverage doesn't mean anything to me if you are charging an extreme premium to access it.

The $1.99 mystery fee is the nail in the coffin.
expert007

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Rest assured

that VZ is getting off for a fraction of the revenue they created by this "mysterious" glitch that they just didn't know was happening.


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Good

I got that fee several times. When I called, they would insist that I used data. I never got a refund.

Kiss that Verizon. I want interest too.

Companies that are so big turn bad. And what can you do? Nothing.
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If only...

the FCC had the ability to levy fines and actually collect them when a company lies to a Government agency.
God forbid a Government agency actually think of the American Citizen first and tell a big company 'no'.
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BAN VZW from reporting to credit agencies!

It took them two years to figure this out. They need their privileges to report to experian, equifax, and transunion VOIDED.

A company this irresponsible with their own internal billing should not be allowed to submit reports that gauge & rate our own punctuality.

Does the gas company which reports to credit agencies wait two years to get their money? Johnson city electric company? Capital one? Why should VZ get off easy? People get penalized for being a few months late, I would like to see the penalty for being years late.
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Re: BAN VZW from reporting to credit agencies!

Verizon won't report you to a credit bureau unless they've sent you to collections pretty much...
Razortooth

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Bogus 1.99 fee

What if you quit Verizon over this... and they Charged you an early termination Fee... Now they admit they erred?
markts

join:2002-09-23
Grafton, MA

Me too

This happened to me more than once, and they couldn't explain how my daughter's phone could have incurred the charge if all of the data services were off. They have credited my account at least twice, maybe three times.

mdttb

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Verizion owes me alot more then 6 dollars !!!

I better get alot more then 6 bucks back over the past three years I've been charged this mystery fee alot of times on the 4 lines I have for my family.

I rememebr when it started it was on Christmas three years ago all of my lines got charged 1.99 each funny thing is none of us used our phones on Christmas as we had family over for Christmas.

The other thing I can't understand is they dont know what the data used was used for. You would think they would have some sort of record as to what the data was used for.

I called one time and was told it was for picture texting which I have unlimted texting on all the lines.

Guess it's time to go over three years of my past version bills and see how much they owe me !!!!!

Oh as of last two or three months and on this months bill I still get the hit with $1.99 fee !!!!

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Verizon bad, US government good?

So how is this any different than the Universal Service Fund (in practise)?

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Software Error - give us a better lie !

It's their "software error" that took them 2 years to figure it out but only after FCC inquiry.

VZ needs to be penalized by paying a huge fine for doing this, and not just simply a refund, plus a pubic apology.

Not to worry however, their software will come up with another disguise to bury these extra fees as something else and we the consumers will ending up paying for it. BTW, people wrote those software codes responsible for the error - it's a mis-management that shouldn't be left off the hook easily.
NeoandGeo

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.

I am due $5.97, but definitely not expecting to get refunded.

Van
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So, let's review....a MOUNTAIN of evidence exists

that they are stealing customers money with this problem...they do nothing until the national media picks the story up

BThey pay a minimal penalty where customers get virtually nothing and thus...everything is ok?

At what point will we have a federal government OR oversight committee that actually PUNISHES these companies for these practices?

Who thinks any of this will deter a company from doing this again?

Absolutely amazing
dm145

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Re: So, let's review....a MOUNTAIN of evidence exists

two out of the three phones on my plan have data blocked and they both were hit a few times over the last two years

each time i had to spend up to 20 minutes to get credit

they should also pay us for pain and suffering

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Re: So, let's review....a MOUNTAIN of evidence exists

pain and suffering u have got to be kidding..

this "bogus" fee that's going to get fixed in the near months or whatever and you people are still whining.

oh that's right i should pay everyone 1.99/mth because i don't think 1.99 is a big deal. or should i say 3.99 because i have 3 phones oh man get the wammmbulance out! hell i bet some of you pay that ridiculous data fee of 30/mth! but hey that 1.99 is a killer in the check book.

and to think some of you pay 15/mth for WOW and xfers to other servers and char fees but thats entertainment so that doesn't matter.

oh i love e-fights.

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Seems like an enterprising lawyer would be winding up a class action lawsuit right about ... now.

Good news is we would get to the bottom of the issue.

Bad news is after 10 years and legal fees on both sides are covered -everybody affected would get $.04
casimir81

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Punitive Fines

I think Verizon should suffer punitive fines on top of their payback to their customers. Maybe triple or quadruple their "estimate" to teach them a lesson and make them think a little next time they come up with a revenue generating scam like this and bar them from raising any rates for a year so they can't retaliate. Take the punitive fine money and use it to upgrade school computers or something useful.
blacksurfer

join:2002-07-14
Sherman Oaks, CA

AT&T is doing the same thing!!

Both my kids lines were charged $2 for using 1kb of data.

AT&T use to charge 1 cent per kilobyte, now it's $2 for every mb.
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Verizon sucks..

I too, have been hit with this numerous times without actually using any data. To top it off I don't even get a good signal and lots of dropped calls at home (3rd ring suburb 10 min from downtown Minneapolis). My friends on different carriers all get full signal at my house. Yes, I swapped phones long ago to no avail. I also think $1.99 per Megabyte is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYY too much to be charging for data. Especially considering 250 MB is 29.99 or supposedly unlimited (5 GB) is 49.99.

250 MB @ 29.99 = just under 12 cents per MB
Unlimited (5 GB soft? cap) @ 49.99 = 5120 MB for just under a penny per MB.

Anything over say 25 cents per MB without a data plan is just pure greed. Verizon..... Stop rippin people off already!

I can hardly wait till I dump Verizon, which will be soon.


mdttb

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Anaheim, CA

BS

What a crock of sheet ....... they're only going back 90 days if you got charged the $ 1.99 data fee for the past two years your hosed...... I got like 8 bucks credit. WHOPIE (sarcasm) They're calling it a software glitch funny took them 2 years to figure it out. They made some nice cash off this scam !! I still smell a lawsuit.

BenJF3

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AT&T does it too

I'm like blacksurfer up above! I get ripped for $4-$6 a month because AT&T charges for data I am not using! Every bill shows up with 1kb - 10kb of "data usage". I have put a block on the lines now while my complaints is investigated by the FCC. At the same time, I have lost access to features I pay for (MMS & IM)!

DeltaHotel

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Verizon still has head in the sand?

I just got off the phone with Verizon trying to resolve an accumulated $20 in such bogus charges this year for my plan. The representative was unwilling to drop charges, insisting that although I'd disabled all premium features for phones on my plan, there was a remaining data component that was yet to be disabled (or something to this effect).

And I've seen nothing of any refunds, and don't expect to. I'm not in a position to change carriers due to my contract, but the situation is beyond frustrating. I'm still sorting out the best course of action, moving forward.

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