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borredo
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Allentown, PA | Re: How much? As boosh sez...."BRING IT ON!" | |
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Saint Louis, MO | Re: How much? It'd help if I didn't have to have a separate receiver for every device connected. | |
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mph300
Two Thirds The Way There
join:2000-11-09
| said by alfnoid  :And the cost for all of this is????? Verizon, please bring fios to Saint Louis and put Charter and Sbc in their measly place!!:o
As for cost, I'm not really concerned.....I pay through the nose for Charter cable tv and hsi already!
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Yaco
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Allendale, NJ
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| Awesome! Hi,
I have FIOS in Allendale NJ. I had it for about a month and only minor hiccups while I was trying to tweak it.
I'm told we shall have the video option in a few weeks. Since I have Directv I will have a tough choice deciding what to do. My family loves DTV and since we do not have HDTV. I may keep my sat. But as a few of my friends here on line know I switch my Broadband/Cable choices quite often. Maybe I'll see if it has the 30 MB guarantee 
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Sent By Grocery Clerks
join:2001-02-20
Evergreen, CO | Re: Awesome! You should get Cable as well and have a 3-way BAKE-OFF!!!
Regardless, I wouldn't cancel the DirecTV until I saw SBC-TV in action for a month or two.
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Rockin' the Boxen
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| Re: Awesome! said by Topmounter :Regardless, I wouldn't cancel the DirecTV until I saw SBC-TV in action for a month or two. SBC-TV in New Jersey??
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Richardson, TX
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join:2002-12-06
Tucson, AZ | 6 recordings at once??!?!? Wow that would be sweet. Two would be nice enough, stupid TiVo... Wish I was moving to a place where FIOS installs were going on. | |
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DaneJasper
Sonic.Net
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join:2001-08-20
Santa Rosa, CA
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| Re: 6 recordings at once??!?!? said by jesseb_66 :Wow that would be sweet. Two would be nice enough, stupid TiVo... Wish I was moving to a place where FIOS installs were going on. If only there was anything worth WATCHING!
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Gokou2k3
join:2003-08-05
Tehachapi, CA
| Re: 6 recordings at once??!?!? Nothing worth watching, on cable and satellite. 300 channels is too much anyway, if you honestly have all day to switch through 300 channels, then I'm sorry to say this, but you have NO life. And SBC, where are you? Verizon is ready to launch its tv service and SBC hasen't even started to deploy its crappy lightspeed yet  | |
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danawhitaker
Space...The Final Frontier
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join:2002-03-02
Urbandale, IA
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| Re: 6 recordings at once??!?!? "Nothing worth watching, on cable and satellite. 300 channels is too much anyway, if you honestly have all day to switch through 300 channels, then I'm sorry to say this, but you have NO life."
Why is it people like you always have to try and come along and crap on someone's parade? Worthwhile television is in the eyes of the beholder. While there are many shows I think are utter garbage, there are people who enjoy them. And there are many shows that I genuinely enjoy and watch and follow on a regular basis (i.e. Stargate SG-1, Stargate Atlantis, and Battlestar Galactica currently). As for having 300 channels, no one said that people have to spend all day flipping through them. But the option is nice. I can burn through the expanded basic while channel surfing in the course of about two minutes max, and that's 75 channels. There are a lot of good, informational scientific programs that I can't currently get unless I bump up to digital that are probably included in this. While I might not have the time to sit and watch them all, that's where the recording device comes into question. It removes the time factor. Some of us also genuinely enjoy television. There are plenty of hobbies other people have that I find downright ridiculous, but it's not up to me how you spend your spare time.
If they price this right, it could easily sell a lot of people on switching to FIOS who might not otherwise see a compelling reason to do so. But between the increased speeds, the massive channel offerings, and the ability to record that many shows at once (not all of us live alone in a bubble, you know - ever argue with a significant other about what to watch?), I can't think of many reasons not to switch, especially if the price was good. If I could get 300 channels for a similar price to digital cable (which only has about half that), I'd do it in a heartbeat unless there were something terribly dysfunctional about the service itself. | |
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Home | Re: 6 recordings at once??!?!? Telling someone that they have no life is not really expressing an opinion.
It's more of an insult, opinion or not. | |
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join:2003-08-05
Tehachapi, CA
| Re: 6 recordings at once??!?!? said by smcallah :Telling someone that they have no life is not really expressing an opinion. It's more of an insult, opinion or not. An insult to who? Nobody here has said they switch through all 300 channels, unless you do........ | |
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join:2004-08-05
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| Re: 6 recordings at once??!?!? There doesn't have to be a target for it to be an insult. No matter who you tell to "get a life," it's an insult, a very childish one at that. Since you don't know what kind of life anyone else has over the Internet.
I was replying to the person that said an opinion was being expressed, when it was an insult that was being thrown about about people who enjoy channel surfing far too much.
And then you add the "unless you do" part to the end of your reply? Implying that you're insulting me now?
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join:2003-08-05
Tehachapi, CA
1 edit | Re: 6 recordings at once??!?!? If there is something you didn't like about my original comment, then ignore it. Simple as that, there have been plenty of things said by people on BBR that I didn't like, doesn't mean I went and posted my thoughts on every single one for sport. And besides, this is about verizon's tv service, not about what somebody said in a thread that you dont agree with.  Lets just drop this already, its stupid. | |
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NOCMan
Verizon Fios User
Premium
join:2004-09-30
Flower Mound, TX
| Agreed.
2 chan recorders are great but if you have to deal with network programing that gets extended by mistimed commericals and you're padding your shows for 5 minutes then it's easy to tie up both recorders. 4 tuners would help greatly.
6 is overkill. However I think that each house will have 1 main box doing the recording and you can use extra receivers to network content to them.
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Premium
join:2005-03-10
Callahan, FL
| He forgot Cook and clean. Sounds nice. Record 6 channels at same time, got to call BS on that one or at least great marketing. I understand that FIOS is the newest and greatest but can we all just wait and see what Verizon actually offers for video before we start praising them to the heavens. | |
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join:2005-06-05
Bronx, NY
| Re: He forgot Cook and clean. Scientific atlanta has a box out now that can reccord 3 shows at once so considering the much greater banthwidth available I don't think 6 would be out of the question. Remember they have no analog channels and there telephone and net service don't use any of the 870 mhz cable system. | |
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join:2004-08-05
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| Re: He forgot Cook and clean. FIOS doesn't have more bandwidth available than a coax cable pushing analog and digital service.
All channels on cable are available at the same time, even if you don't have them tuned in. You could have a DVR that could record 200 channels at once, and have enough bandwidth over coax to record them all... having the processor power and disk space is another question.
I'm not sure what FIOS TV will be using, but I'd imagine it would be some form of IP multicast, which is more efficient in using available bandwidth, and it has to be. | |
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join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
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| Re: He forgot Cook and clean. It uses the same technology as your local cable co but it uses fiber. And Fiber equipment delivering the tv portion has a hell of a lot more bandwidth then the coax.
Each channel will be broadcast with a specific # that is it's wave length. The channel will be able to be tuned just like a normal channel over coax except all digital no analog at all.
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Home | Re: He forgot Cook and clean. It's obviously not the SAME technology the cable company is using for coax.
What is the exact technology that Verizon is using? Do you have links to any articles, or just direct links to the product and specifications? | |
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join:2002-12-15
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| Re: He forgot Cook and clean. Actually it is the same. Each channel is given a broadcast #. It is identical to what the coax users are seeing before it hits the node and is converted to digital on coax. Except it stays digital on the fiber.
I have played with their solution in a lab environment and can say it works almost identical to how the cable co works now. Except it eliminates the need for a "head end" unit so to speak.
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Stop All The Downloadin
join:2003-08-20
New York, NY | 6 programs? Does a 30mb FIOS line provide enough bandwidth to record 6 HD programs at once? Or is that where the phrase "up to" comes in? | |
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O Rly?
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join:2003-02-12
Murrieta, CA
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| Re: 6 programs? said by Neil :Does a 30mb FIOS line provide enough bandwidth to record 6 HD programs at once? Or is that where the phrase "up to" comes in? That 30mb portion of the pipe is only for internet, there's plenty of pipe leftover for television...
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Stop All The Downloadin
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O Rly?
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join:2005-04-06
Carrollton, TX
| Re: 6 programs? said by aztecnology :I think it is a type of IPTV service, it just won't be comingled with your internet bandwidth... It isn't anything like IPTV. It is an analog overlay on a separate wavelength. | |
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O Rly?
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join:2003-02-12
Murrieta, CA
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| Re: 6 programs? said by DMS1 :said by aztecnology :I think it is a type of IPTV service, it just won't be comingled with your internet bandwidth... It isn't anything like IPTV. It is an analog overlay on a separate wavelength. Analog schmanalog...
"FiOS TV will not only offer customers advanced digital TV services, it will also enable Verizon to provide future video applications based on Internet Protocol (IP) technology."
"The Microsoft TV platform not only provides us with advanced digital TV capabilities that are designed to serve the millions of Verizon subscribers we ultimately expect will choose FiOS TV, but it gives us virtually unlimited potential to evolve our interactive services into the most seamlessly integrated offering in the industry."
"Microsoft understands IP and the possibilities of two-way broadband connectivity like no one else in the television software business. We believe it is best positioned to help us leverage the bandwidth that FiOS will bring to the home"
»www.microsoft.com/tv/content/Pre···_05.mspx
"In addition to video on demand, Fios TV will deliver hundreds of digital video channels, high-definition programming, music channels, an interactive programming guide, and other customer-friendly features."
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join:2005-04-06
Carrollton, TX
| Re: 6 programs? said by aztecnology :said by DMS1 :said by aztecnology :I think it is a type of IPTV service, it just won't be comingled with your internet bandwidth... It isn't anything like IPTV. It is an analog overlay on a separate wavelength. Analog schmanalog... "FiOS TV will not only offer customers advanced digital TV services, it will also enable Verizon to provide future video applications based on Internet Protocol (IP) technology." That I'm afraid is marketing talk for what they may be able to do in the future (two to five years at my guess). The current deployments use analog overlay in which an entire CATV-style chunk of spectrum is modulated onto a different wavelength to that used for data and simply mixed onto the fiber. There are some details of the capabilities in attachment 3 of the document at: »www.ci.beaumont.ca.us/agendas/110204/2a.PDF, and if you search the FIOS forum you will find more details of the overlay technology. | |
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Another day in the Brentwood
join:2000-11-24
Harrison, NY
| M$ involved with Fios TV Looks like the boys
News Release
Looks like Gates & Co. have there hands on this as well.
Verizon Selects Microsoft TV As Platform for FiOS TV Service
NEW YORK - Verizon announced today that it will use the Microsoft TV platform for the commercial rollout of Verizon’s FiOS TV service, planned for later this year.
The Microsoft TV platform will support high-definition television, digital video recording and on-demand programming offered by Verizon on the FiOS platform. In addition, it will provide FiOS TV customers with an interactive programming guide that is attractive, intuitive and easy to use. Verizon and its third-party partners will use the Microsoft software to add advanced applications for future FiOS TV services, differentiating Verizon in the marketplace and bringing consumers the benefits of voice, video and data convergence.
“With FiOS TV, Verizon will be able to offer its customers more channels, more choices and great value,” said Bob Ingalls, president of Verizon’s Retail Markets Group. “The Microsoft TV platform not only provides us with advanced digital TV capabilities that are designed to serve the millions of Verizon subscribers we ultimately expect will choose FiOS TV, but it gives us virtually unlimited potential to evolve our interactive services into the most seamlessly integrated offering in the industry.”
In addition to the robust television offering to be launched later this year, Verizon’s FiOS platform gives consumers faster data speeds, and crystal-clear voice, as well as innovative new services and applications, via a single broadband connection directly to the home. FiOS TV will use the Microsoft TV software platform and Motorola hardware platform to provide an expanded channel lineup, high-definition programming and hundreds of video-on- demand titles. FiOS TV will not only offer customers advanced digital TV services, but it will also enable Verizon to provide future video applications based on Internet Protocol (IP) technology.
The Microsoft TV platform will work in parallel with Verizon’s iobi service-delivery platform, which allows information to be shared across many different networks, applications and devices.
While specific FiOS TV applications are still under development, Verizon could use the capabilities of both platforms to enable customers to:
* Personalize their interactive programming guide, search through content, and schedule recording easily and efficiently from their personal computers and other connected devices.
* Incorporate IP content, personal media and communications seamlessly into the viewing experience. For example, consumers could use their TV screen to play music or view photos stored on a computer.
* Integrate entertainment services with communications and data applications across televisions, PCs, handhelds, gaming platforms and wireless phones.
A key component of the Microsoft TV platform is the Microsoft .NET architecture, which supports applications on Verizon’s iobi platform as well as applications from third-party developers. The flexible .NET framework gives Verizon an opportunity to broaden its range of applications and services for customers while also opening up new revenue streams to grow its business in ways that leverage the unique advantages of the Verizon network.
“Microsoft understands IP and the possibilities of two-way broadband connectivity like no one else in the television software business. We believe they are best positioned to help us leverage the bandwidth that FiOS will bring to the home,” Ingalls said. | |
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Manassas, VA | Re: M$ involved with Fios TV wow, now it's really getting out of hand. | |
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join:2005-01-08 | content GTE's Cerritos fiber to the home, what, 15 years ago, concluded: Neat, but no attractive content. | |
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Premium
join:2003-09-16
Pittsburgh, PA | Slow News Day??? Must be a slow news day. That post is from June 5th. | |
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cdru
Go Colts
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join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN | Re: Slow News Day??? I was just thinking that as well. | |
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kingdomware
join:2000-09-23
Waldorf, MD
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Roop
join:2003-11-15
Ottawa, ON | verizon come to canada! omg it's $700 for a starchoice satelite DVR that records 1 show while you watch another. the best residential isps are no more than 10megs and they are capped.
i want fiber in canada, good tv and 15mbits uncapped! | |
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k1L0
join:2001-07-05
Miami Beach, FL | Re: verizon come to canada! I was in Ottawa a year ago and Rogers' cable modem service wasn't too shabby and the CATV had video on demand to boot. A very clean & well planned HFC plant if I do say so myself.
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220, 221, Whatever It Takes.
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join:2000-11-08
Mechanicsburg, PA | for sale.... one bridge.
location: brooklyn.
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join:2003-12-04
Valencia, CA | wtf? guess I am too stupid. care to explain? | |
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220, 221, Whatever It Takes.
Premium
join:2000-11-08
Mechanicsburg, PA
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| Re: wtf? maybe youd like to buy the bridge then. are you serious? you never heard of anyone selling the brooklyn bridge to a gullible person before? while verizon is busy spewing forth claims that have yet to see fruition, maybe they will also try and sell the brookyn bridge while theyre at it.
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hayabusa3303
Over 200 mph
Premium
join:2005-06-29
clubs: | Headend Verzion would have to have lines and lines of servers to handle this. 1,800 on-demand programs, like who would watch them anyway?
Record six programs at once? SOMEONE NEEDS A LIFE!!!! | |
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join:2005-08-12
Byron, CA
| Re: Headend You're forgetting the big picture....home media center.
So between you, the wife and a couple of kids, each clicking through the program guide from client boxes in various rooms, I don't think six is all that special and probably not overkill. | |
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join:2005-08-12
Byron, CA | Re: Headend It's 6 tuners on the base station. The clients would all share those. With an installed base of ~2.5 STBs average per household, the 6 tuner figure is probably about right. | |
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bo may sleep in loft
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join:2002-04-20
Ogden, IA | one thing to say Who's your Daddy!
Damn.... sure wish Qworst could see the light. | |
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join:2004-05-17
Forest Hills, NY
| 6 Programs at once, Must be a Hoax I don't buy this at all. Show me a press release or something concrete. The cost of a DVR box like that would be super expensive. Unless they re doing something up line of the box.
I just don't believe this at all 6 tuners in a box. Lets be real.
Also Unlike cable currently there are questions whether you can skip commercials, I don't believe so. This remains to be seen.
Also people read 300 channels as if that's a lot. If you include channels of HBO which includes things like West Coast feeds, you can easily reach that number. Remember that most cable companies count every channel. Including Music choice channels and so forth. I believe it will have more HD Channels though based on its contracts, also think of all the channels it has that you would have too Pay extra for like NFL Sunday Ticket. Don't be so impressed with numbers of channels.
I do believe that Scientific Atlanta has boxes that stream from one room to the other. This has not worked that successfully in some homes. | |
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1 edit | Re: 6 Programs at once, Must be a Hoax Broadcom makes a chip today, the BCM7038 that has 3 PVR recorders with dual HD streams, PIP and 2 television support. That plus Tivo drivers and a few other bells and whistles appropriate for this app and you get it all in one package. Motorola just released a STB for Comcast based on this chipset.
I don't know that a 6 tuner chip exists in the market, but looks like you could get there with two chips based on availability today.
There is major R&D underway on the hardware side to support these fiber and IPTV efforts. Lots of companies want a piece of that pie. | |
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join:2005-08-12
Byron, CA
| Commercial skip is on it's way out I don't recall if it was Replay TV or Tivo who started that feature, but don't expect the 30 sec skip to be around much longer. Advertisers are keen to kill it.
It works on current Motorola 6412 boxes with a little known backdoor programming, but newer firmware releases seem to be disabling it. | |
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| Fios internet and television I have the 15mbps internet option and I recently switched from COMCAST cable to FiOS TV. Like night and day. COMCAST is getting desperate. Only days after I dropped them, they began a advertising campaign offering extremely low prices for a year. They should have done that a long time ago and I might still be a customer. I wouldn't give up FiOS TV if COMCAST were free. The picture quality is much better than coax cable. I guess I need to look at Iobi now. For those of you waiting for fiber optic, once it arrives, don't delay. Get those service guys out there pronto. Yes, there may be bugs in the beginning but when you call for service they are there with bells on. Especially if you happen to be one of the first subscribers in the neighborhood. Wish I had a magic wand to give the rest of North America fiber optic. Even you Canadian dudes *wink wink*. Dosen't the continent of North America stop at the Canadian border? After that it's called "That really cold place with lots of snow and Hockey sticks and Moosehead beer". Did I just hear someone tell me to "piss up a rope"? | |
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join:2006-06-08
Plano, TX
| Verizon Fios TV User -Equipment & Install info Just got the service in Plano, Texas this week. They gave us 2 HD Dual Turner DVRs, and two set top boxes. Cost looks to be lower than DirectTV by maybe $20 a month. Won't know for sure until I get my first bill. No phone line required. It uses a built in wireless device to communicate with a router(that they provide)for programing downloads or your VOD purchases.
The DVRs are not TIVO but since they cant' make DirecTV stuff anymore then learning a new system is going to have to happen anyway.
They will hook your TV's up with your existing coax cable drop. Once nice thing, the DVRs are dual but they only need one cable connection which is very sweet.
HD Channels that DirecTV DOES NOT currently offer are.
TNT HD, ESPN2 HD, NFL NETWORK HD FOX Sports SW HD, Wealth TV HD, National Geographic HD, MTV HD. Plus all of your local HD channels which DirecTV does not offer(You will need an HD antenna for over the air local HD)
You pay a monthly fee for the DVR's but I included that in my cost comparison. The technology is changing so fast, I'm not sure I want to own a DVR anymore until the things settle down in a few years.
There was no mention to me about recording 6 programs at a time. They did say there is a software upgrade coming in the early fall that will let you select a DVR in another room and play from it to the set you are in front of. When that happens you can record 4 programs at a time and while you watch something you have recorded on either of your DVRs and from one location. I guess if you had 3 DVRs in your house then you could record 6 at a time.
Who has time to watch all that.
Hope this helps answer some of your questions.
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