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kudos:6 | Wonderful Now you can get reamed by Apple under the Verizon umbrella as well.
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 | | | Re: Wonderful Actually I think you will get it twice... once from Apple and again from Verizon... however with Verizon that will be the gift that keeps on giving every month.. over and over.... over and over... | |
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Sterling Heights, MI | Re: Wonderful Soon in the electronic world? 30 months, at the earliest | |
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join:2000-05-11 | It would be nice to see some actual story vetting rather than regurgitation of unsubstantiated (and false) rumor a la the childhood "telephone" game.
This ain't happening. The cited "source" above even pulled the page. | |
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| | VZW = Crippled phones I wonder what they will block on this one... | |
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| | | Re: VZW = Crippled phones said by ninjatutle:I wonder what they will block on this one... WIFI? Doesn't Verizon have the trend of doing that? | |
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Hingham, MA | Re: VZW = Crippled phones No, but people like to claim that they do, apparently ignoring the many WinMo phones that have had Wi-Fi, past and present. I don't know why RIMM cripples their BlackBerry devices on CDMA, or why the Vodafone-designed BlackBerry Storm doesn't have it, but if VZW really had something against Wi-Fi, you'd think the Verizon-designed Samsung Saga would have excluded it. (Especially since they could have used the same "world phone" excuse that is occasionally used in relation to the Storm)
What Verizon's real trend in crippling is GPS, but they've said they plan on scaling that back... | |
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Valencia, CA | Re: VZW = Crippled phones Is it ... RIM crippling WiFi on Blackberry devices, or RIM offering customized versions of Blackberry devices (which include crippled WiFi)
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Hingham, MA | Re: VZW = Crippled phones Well, I don't know- RIMM does offer both GPS and WiFi specific variants of the GSM BlackBerry 8300-series Curve, so I suppose it's possible they offered the same to Verizon and Sprint and both went with the GPS over WiFi. But if such a mythical device ever existed, with all the leaks out of RIMM you'd think someone would have heard of it. | |
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Hingham, MA | Re: VZW = Crippled phones Ah, but "very few" is more than "none at all"... and at&t's flagship BlackBerry, the Bold 9000, does indeed have it, while Verizon's flagship, the Storm 9530, doesn't. | |
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kudos:1 | There is even talk of locking down LTE phones. LTE is like gsm sim cards. | |
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Canonsburg, PA | Re: VZW = Crippled phones That's why we have to hope Wi-Max succeeds in the U.S. If it doesn't crippled LTE phones are coming for sure. | |
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| Re: VZW = Crippled phones said by Sammer:That's why we have to hope Wi-Max succeeds in the U.S. If it doesn't crippled LTE phones are coming for sure. That doesn't make any sense. If VZW cripples phones, just get an LTE phone from any other provider (which will be all of them by 2011).
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Wifi? Has it
EVDO Rev. A? Has it
GSM Roaming? Has it
MMS? Has it (unlike iPhail) | |
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| Re: VZW = Crippled phones said by bullet087:Didn't cripple anything on the Samsung Omnia! Wifi? Has it EVDO Rev. A? Has it GSM Roaming? Has it MMS? Has it (unlike iPhail) Not a fan of Windows Mobile...thanks but no thanks.
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| | | Hello? VZW is slowly moving away from locking their phones. I can use the GPS on my Storm for Google Maps now. Hey it's a start and gotta love VZW's coverage AND customer service. AT&T, are you listening? | |
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| | "heh yeah right" This phone was made Gsm only, not Cdma.Verizon keep dreaming on AT&T will keep renewing the contract to keep on making Apple happy to keep the phone away from Verizon Wireless nice try Karl! | |
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Hingham, MA | Re: "heh yeah right" Shockingly, many smartphones are made on GSM and then brought to CDMA- typically the design is such that the main work the manufacturer has to do is to swap out a different radio and change the firmware. However, while most phone manufacturers can do this easily enough, apparently it becomes impossible in relation to Apple?
Really the main reason this happens or not is money- presumably Verizon would have to pay Apple enough to make up for whatever enforcement clauses there are in the at&t-Apple exclusivity contract, as well as to make it worth Apple's while in creating a slightly different model. Now, they just spent quite a bit of money buying Alltel? But Verizon Wireless is very profitable. (It was the most profitable wireless network even before it became the largest) | |
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| said by anonuser101 :
This phone was made Gsm only, not Cdma.Verizon keep dreaming on AT&T will keep renewing the contract to keep on making Apple happy to keep the phone away from Verizon Wireless nice try Karl!
AT&T can keep the iphone. Whats the big deal? | |
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Jewett City, CT | There's no amount of money AT&T could pay Apple that would offset their profits going CDMA and opening a massive new market. Apple seems to have made the calculated choice that a certain percentage of early adopters would switch networks to get an iPhone so they were able to get a slick deal from AT&T and roll it out slowly. They're probably close (or exceeded) the number of users willing to break out of contracts and switch carriers. | |
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| Re: "heh yeah right" said by jsz0:There's no amount of money AT&T could pay Apple that would offset their profits going CDMA and opening a massive new market. Apple seems to have made the calculated choice that a certain percentage of early adopters would switch networks to get an iPhone so they were able to get a slick deal from AT&T and roll it out slowly. They're probably close (or exceeded) the number of users willing to break out of contracts and switch carriers. Who's going to want a CDMA iPhone when LTE is supposed to be getting rolled out from VZW at the end of next year?
I'd be more inclined to believe that Apple is going to make an LTE iPhone which all carriers could use, than a CDMA iphone for VZW only.
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| | | I remember reading somewhere that the iphone went gsm because it was slower, and therefore would help the life of the non-user replacable battery. bring it to sprint and I might consider it, but keep you crappy slow att network. | |
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Hingham, MA | Re: "heh yeah right" Hm, on GSM when the original iPhone was released, in America the 3G network wasn't very well deployed, and battery life was a bigger issue on WCDMA. If the iPhone had been on CDMA at that time, they probably would have EV-DO, since it doesn't really hurt battery life more than standalone 1xRTT does.
This is in part for technical reasons- CDMA2000 1xRTT/and EV-DO use CDMA, which uses more battery power than the TDMA used as part of 2G GSM, while 3G GSM also uses CDMA, over a wider frequency band than CDMA2000. (As you can tell, the acronyms are very confusing here)
Battery life is also the justification RIMM uses for keeping the GSM BlackBerry Curve 8900 2G-only, they've claimed that they place battery life as their second priority below device security. | |
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I remember reading somewhere that the iphone went gsm because it was slower, and therefore would help the life of the non-user replacable battery. bring it to sprint and I might consider it, but keep you crappy slow att network.
...or they made a GSM phone first because 95% of the planet uses GSM, so they would be able to pull in most of the market from day 1.
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Seattle, WA | Apple... You tease. 
I bet AT&T is pissed off. I can imagine RIM will be upset too because now their storm will have to compete with the jeebus phone on the same network. Apple could easily dominate the entire industry with this move, if verizon doesn't mess thigns up and try to stuff that annoying v-cast garbage down Apples throat. | |
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| | | Re: Apple... it would be no worse than making you use iTunes to download anything. | |
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| | en102Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Re: Apple... That... and the forced 2year data commitment (data required just to use the phone) is what kept me away.
I'd like to be able to enable or disable data cost at my discretion, and NOT have iTunes as the only means of loading applications. | |
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| | | Well it is rumored that a gsm version of the Storm is coming to T-Mobile sometime in the next six months, so perhaps that will somewhat minimize the damage to RIM with Verizon getting the iPhone. | |
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| | | | Re: Apple... Well looks like this isn't happening, at least not based on an update from CNET: "Correction 11:56 a.m. PST: We messed up. The 9 to 5 Mac blog we cited below is in fact from September 2008, so it turns out this is an old rumor. Because it showed up in our RSS feed Saturday, we, like a number of other publications, took it as a recent post and went from there. Apologies for the confusion."
That sucks, but it is true. If you go to the original article, it was published "Sun, 09/28/2008 - 13:28" | |
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| Cnet got it Wrong Well looks like this isn't happening, at least not based on an update from CNET: "Correction 11:56 a.m. PST: We messed up. The 9 to 5 Mac blog we cited below is in fact from September 2008, so it turns out this is an old rumor. Because it showed up in our RSS feed Saturday, we, like a number of other publications, took it as a recent post and went from there. Apologies for the confusion."
That sucks, but it is true. If you go to the original article, it was published "Sun, 09/28/2008 - 13:28"
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| | | Re: Cnet got it Wrong Wow! A lot of fact checking going on a cnet. What a disgrace to call themselves a news outlet... | |
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Hingham, MA | Re: Cnet got it Wrong Even worse is that CNET is now owned by CBS, which has an actual journalistic reputation to uphold. | |
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| | | | | Re: Cnet got it Wrong said by EPS:Even worse is that CNET is now owned by CBS, which has an actual journalistic reputation to uphold. Yeah, CBS has a 'reputation' all right...
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| | Doubtful. Yea agreed, not to mention Apple's agreements are usually bullet proof so I doubt its going to happen. Maybe Verizon will get dibbs when LTE rolls around in 2011-2012 for the iPhone 4G. | |
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HTC diamon with CE or android over icrap any day of the week | |
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Engadget did an interview with AT&T's CEO Ralph de La Vega at MWC last week, who said "Our relationship with Apple hasn't been better". | |
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I wonder if Verizon will settle with the 4G LTE iphone?
In Canada,
two of the major telecom providers - Telus and Bell are working around the clock to place an overlay of HSPA to compete with Rogers' network.
I wonder if Verizon will follow Bell/Telus' path...... | |
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| | Why? Why would I want a great phone on the $hitwork from Verizon Wireless?
Sorry, have them both and Verizon is most definitely the NOTwork. | |
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Middle Island, NY | Verizon This is good news for me. I was originally looking at getting the IPhone but decided against it mainly becouse of AT&T. They wanted a $400 deposit while verizon only wanted a $125 security deposit. I have never had a single issue with Verizon as far as dropped calls while I was on the family plan so I decided to switch off and get a plan for myself. I ended up getting the LG Dare with my new contract. It's a pretty sweet phone but Verizon is holding back the capability of the phone in order to make a few more bucks.
However you want to know something! A few friends of mind who have AT&T are always complaining about dropped calls and so forth. I am happy with verizon they have been pretty good to me. | |
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| | | Re: Verizon The reality is, why would someone with such an obviously low credit score spend so much money over a 2 year period for a data plan on any carrier(?) Absolutely silly. | |
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Hingham, MA | Re: Verizon There are a lot of reasons one might have a low credit score, though. | |
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| | Wasnt verizon originally contacted before att? I thought Apple went to verizon first before att to make the iphone and they said no. why would verizon change their minds? | |
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| | Please Don't I hope they don't. I hate Verizon. | |
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| | | Re: Please Don't but your email address is verizon.net Verizon Wireless is an excellent company. I'm sorry you feel that way about it. | |
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| | CDMA is dead, carrirs moving to GSM In case you had not heard, the proprietary Qualcomm CDMA system is nearing a dead end, with the last CDMA networks having announced they would go to GSM/LTE for 4G.
In Canada, Bell and Telus have already begun to retrofit their towers to support GSM-3G. (HSPDA). My guess is Verizon is doing the same and may be able to support a native iPhone without requiring Apple make a CDMA specific iphone. | |
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